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[RocusPocus]

It astounds me that people can argue about this three months before the expansion is even released.

How do you argue whether an unreleased product is or is not worth the money?

Wait for reviews, wait to see if it is good or not. Quality is what dictates price, not the time involved in beating it.

There are many games I've played that despite the amount of time involved I did not find them worth the money.

All I'm saying is that it's silly to argue over the price of something that you know near nothing about.

[Dragon Age1103]

sprybry wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

ah i can see someone felt the need to snap. lol.
I get it though this is getting a little old, I'm sure Bioware is even more sick of it.
Lets repeat since everyone else likes to!!! Bioware in an interview CONFIRMED we will most likely get to HIGH 30's for our level & as of right now there is no set level. In case math is really hard for some 24 was our max level.40-100 hours for 24 levels now he could get 10 or more levels with the expansion so stop freaking out people please!!!!
This is Bioware we're talking about they will deliver

^^this^^!  fernando melo stated that they were looking at raising the level cap to the mid to high 30's for the expansion (assuming you were starting it at around level 20 - 22).  sounds like lots of playing time to me...

 Was is to 20-22? lol I though he said between 17-20 but I cannot recall. I do recall that we get a respec tome!!!! I love the mod I have now to respec but wow that should of been in the game at launch. I really really hope they balance that though b/c if you respec all your chars to get rid of those stupid wasted skill & talent points the game becomes a breeze even on nightmare

[Dragon Age1103]

Also does anyone remember if he clarified that the tome could be used for all party members to respec? I would only assume a big yes since we share inventory.

[Daerog]

I already preordered it.
Is it going to be short? Eh, seems like medium length. Is it going to be fun (for me)? Yes, with the Architect coming back and more world/lore.
Is it worth $30 (for me)? Sure.
Has BioWare always delivered? No, Pinnacle Station was a waste.... but I still bought it. Honestly, BW should focus on story and characters rather than just pure gameplay.
Am I tempted to buy more stuff from BioWare instead of just their games? Yes, because I've always enjoyed BioWare games since I first played KotOR. I consider it an investment. Free money for BioWare? Curse my fandom, I would probably pay $5 for a unique icon on their website, or just a banner around my posts exclaiming "FANBOY ALERT!"

Also, just throwing this in, but I hope the PC in DA2 when it comes out isn't a Grey Warden, if they make a DA2, which is likely, but they still don't have a JE2.

[Chosentripster420]

40$ is ridiculous i remember like 4 years ago that's how much an entire game cost! now they are trying to get us to pay for a new game on an expansion with less then half the gameplay?

[addiction21]

Chosentripster420 wrote...

40$ is ridiculous i remember like 4 years ago that's how much an entire game cost! now they are trying to get us to pay for a new game on an expansion with less then half the gameplay?

Hi, can I come live in whatever world you are living in because the real world is a drag.  Also maybe where I can get the expansion so I can see this "less then half the gameplay" for myself. I mean you obviously must have allready gone thru the expansion to make such a statement.

[Chosentripster420]

addiction21 wrote...

Chosentripster420 wrote...

40$ is ridiculous i remember like 4 years ago that's how much an entire game cost! now they are trying to get us to pay for a new game on an expansion with less then half the gameplay?

Hi, can I come live in whatever world you are living in because the real world is a drag.  Also maybe where I can get the expansion so I can see this "less then half the gameplay" for myself. I mean you obviously must have allready gone thru the expansion to make such a statement.

and ETA of 15 hours of gameplay is not worth 40$ im sorry i dont care how well done the content is

[heronice1]

It's worth $59.99 if they made it a 2 disc with origins and awakening. (standalone expansion)
It's worth $29.99 if it's just an expansion with 1 disc. (not standalone)

pc version of course.
That's my price opinion.

Modifié par heronice1, 07 janvier 2010 - 11:13 .

[Chosentripster420]

also the real world is a drag because we let ourselves be ruled by money hungry corporate douche bags =D

[addiction21]

Chosentripster420 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Chosentripster420 wrote...

40$ is ridiculous i remember like 4 years ago that's how much an entire game cost! now they are trying to get us to pay for a new game on an expansion with less then half the gameplay?

Hi, can I come live in whatever world you are living in because the real world is a drag.  Also maybe where I can get the expansion so I can see this "less then half the gameplay" for myself. I mean you obviously must have allready gone thru the expansion to make such a statement.

and ETA of 15 hours of gameplay is not worth 40$ im sorry i dont care how well done the content is

Really? 15 hours? Will you be the first person to actualy provide the evidence that this came from a BioWare rep not some 3rd party website that has nothing to do with the game or this company itself?

Chosentripster420 wrote...

also the real world is a drag because we let ourselves be ruled by money hungry corporate douche bags =D

I wonder what world is better to live in. The one you just said or the one that you live in where we take ever rumor and fact and run around screaming that the sky is falling and its the big bad corporations doing it. Where we are so delusional that we will make up any fictitcious statement to validate our uninformed rumor fed opnions...

Modifié par addiction21, 07 janvier 2010 - 11:29 .

[addiction21]

sprybry wrote...

where do you get an ETA of 15 hours of gameplay?  NO ONE from bioware has stated this or anything like it.  the only info handed out by bioware is that they are planning to raise the level cap by 10+ levels.

Kinda splitting hairs. It was that we could reach the 30's in the expansion since there is no "hard level cap"

Nah he prolly saw somewhere on the internet that waffles cause cancer and turn you into a hamster...

[Magic Zarim]

RocusPocus wrote...

It astounds me that people can argue about this three months before the expansion is even released.
How do you argue whether an unreleased product is or is not worth the money?
Wait for reviews, wait to see if it is good or not. Quality is what dictates price, not the time involved in beating it.
There are many games I've played that despite the amount of time involved I did not find them worth the money.
All I'm saying is that it's silly to argue over the price of something that you know near nothing about.

Nobody except devs know all the "gory" details of the expansion. What people are doing mostly in this thread is stating what price they find acceptable for given content. Optimists and pessimists all alike in this thread. You're one of the optimists here with hyperboles like "Quality dictates price, not time involved". Newsflash: You will pay $40 for the expansion that would deliver only one hour of gameplay, though even if that one hour was more compelling and actionpacked than the whole game? Quality and time involved go hand in hand. High quality / short time sucks. Low quality / long time sucks. Good quality, decent time kicks ass. Both attributes contribute to the perceived value of stuff like expansions and DLC.

I've pretty much been the devil's advocate in this whole debate, mainly pointing out assasine statements from both camps. As for whether I find the expansion worth $40? I can't tell at all until I get see / read some review material. I might find 40$ perfectly fine for the expansion, I might find it over the top overpriced. We'll see, as it is quality and playtime that will eventually define for people whether they are ok with a price or not.

[Dragon Age1103]

Chosentripster420 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Chosentripster420 wrote...

40$ is ridiculous i remember like 4 years ago that's how much an entire game cost! now they are trying to get us to pay for a new game on an expansion with less then half the gameplay?

Hi, can I come live in whatever world you are living in because the real world is a drag.  Also maybe where I can get the expansion so I can see this "less then half the gameplay" for myself. I mean you obviously must have allready gone thru the expansion to make such a statement.

and ETA of 15 hours of gameplay is not worth 40$ im sorry i dont care how well done the content is

 There is NO ETA of 15 hours. Why does time matter are you really that dense? What about characters, plot, weapons, armor, spells,talents, skills. All that should matter.
   We'll get to level up to high 30's plus tones of new plot & play our old chars if we didn't sacrifice them!!!
Every single year if not month costs of every resource or close to for every single industry goes up so our prices will go up as well. It's just the way it works.
   If $40 is too much for you do not enjoy the expansion then come here on march 16th so you can read about how awesome it is!!! just start saving a dollar a day & yo'll have enough money!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Everyone is overreacting...I mean this is going to just be like last year with DA:O coming out in the Spring too! Oh wait...well maybe by this Fall the expansion will be twice as large!



Kidding, kidding, put down the stones...



I tend to play through games slowly so 15 hours to some will likely be 30 hours to me. $40 is a little steep for an expansion, I wish they would set it around $30. That seems more fitting, but I understand, considering the amount of money spent on voice talent, they have to pay the actors, writers and script monkeys.

[Default137]

GvazElite wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Guys, Mass Effect's main quest was seventeen hours. Dragon Age's was forty. Think about that before mouthing off from the 'Time = Money' angle.

mass effect took me 55 hours or so to complete the first time, that was doing every single quest in the game

And it took me fourteen hours to beat it the first time, and five to beat it afterwards when I went through to see the Renegade Path, I can now beat the entire game in about four hours and thirty minutes, and only got to play it twice, because I found most of the content boring, and am in fact, quite peeved I wasted money on that game.

Dragon Age took me about sixty hours to beat the first time, and forty or so odd hours to beat the second time, and I am now preparing to play it a third time once RtO comes out so I can see that, which will pump my playtime to easily over a hundred or so hours, considering how much the game cost me ( Steam Sale, $30 ), I'm pretty farking happy.

Obviously, people play games at different amounts of time no?

[Iron Ranger]

While for many, the value of an expansion like this is just the "15 extra hours", keep in mind that the actual cost of creating it goes way beyond that. Many of the new features in the expansion can likely affect the rest of the game so that means making sure new things interact with old things, and you know by now that there are a lot of old things. It means a lot of testing and a lot of code re-writing and content modifications.



Good points above, I think what we are seeing is a near perfect storm.   Game price's have remained the same baiscly for the last five-ten years.   Add in that right now most people are feeling the pinch due to the world wide recession and that companys are driving harder bargins to make profits (thats what EA and BW are here for.. to make money) .

 So now we get a game that might break the base line cost people are acustumed to paying and they are not happy so we get 224 pages on a delayed DLC and its price.   ME was a great game and cost the same as DA:O for most people, with 1/3 the total play time for a first play through... but both had GREAT quality.   Now the expansion for DA:O is comming and its higher then the norm... its to be expected I guess.    Hopefully it will have great quality and content.... and here is were people have a good point.   If it follows in the vain of the DLC (and thats all we have to go on for recent extended game play) the content is going to be short.. for alot of cash.    ME had one good DLC for free (right?), one poorish one for 5$.   DA:O has something like 1-3 DLC depending on how you want to measure it.. for what looks like a low amount of content vs the overall game.

Will it be 'overpriced", I'm guessing not.. Bioware isnt the formost RPG company for nothing.   Has DA:O set a new standard (and ME) in the quality & conten, I'd say yes.   Has DA:O now set a new price level where games can be marketed at, I'd say yes and the boys&girls in marketing and sales are drinking only the best with each new release.    I mean lets be honest... 7$ for WK DLC... a chest, a few items, one new skill and a few fights.. wow.... DA:O was on sale at that time for 35$ as a door buster Best Buy!

So hurry to a new age in games, they will all now cost more but I can only hope they all play as well&long as this one.

[Dragon Age1103]

Magic Zarim your argument seems kind of pointless with the "we'll see" strategy. When he said he would rather play an hour of a high quality expansion than 100 hours of junk I'm sure it was a gross exaggeration to prove his point.

My point is this, did you enjoy the Dragon Age: Origins? I did, I still am 81 hours for my 1st char....that is a quality I haven't seen in years to get me so hooked. So it is a very safe assumption the expansion will be of equal if not great quality b/c they've had time to read feedback & improve upon the game even more. This is Bioware we're talking about.

If you try to make the argument what about the short DLC? Well that is simple DLC is fairly new to Bioware & many companies for shipping out little $5 fun packs. So it will take time to see what the fans consider satisfying. The only true previous DLC have been add-ons & expansions usually very short expansions with no plots or new enemies example Fallout 3(no offense fallout 3 fans i loved it too ) also shooters have a lot of DLC but usually multiplayer maps. So DLC would be a poor example of what to expect. Obviously Bioware was feeling pressure from the rather large amount of complaints of Warden's Keep so they pushed back RTO to ensure it had length & quality & that the fans (us) would feel we got our money's worth.

[Dragon Age1103]

Iron Ranger wrote...

While for many, the value of an expansion like this is just the "15 extra hours", keep in mind that the actual cost of creating it goes way beyond that. Many of the new features in the expansion can likely affect the rest of the game so that means making sure new things interact with old things, and you know by now that there are a lot of old things. It means a lot of testing and a lot of code re-writing and content modifications.



Good points above, I think what we are seeing is a near perfect storm.   Game price's have remained the same baiscly for the last five-ten years.   Add in that right now most people are feeling the pinch due to the world wide recession and that companys are driving harder bargins to make profits (thats what EA and BW are here for.. to make money) .

 So now we get a game that might break the base line cost people are acustumed to paying and they are not happy so we get 224 pages on a delayed DLC and its price.   ME was a great game and cost the same as DA:O for most people, with 1/3 the total play time for a first play through... but both had GREAT quality.   Now the expansion for DA:O is comming and its higher then the norm... its to be expected I guess.    Hopefully it will have great quality and content.... and here is were people have a good point.   If it follows in the vain of the DLC (and thats all we have to go on for recent extended game play) the content is going to be short.. for alot of cash.    ME had one good DLC for free (right?), one poorish one for 5$.   DA:O has something like 1-3 DLC depending on how you want to measure it.. for what looks like a low amount of content vs the overall game.

Will it be 'overpriced", I'm guessing not.. Bioware isnt the formost RPG company for nothing.   Has DA:O set a new standard (and ME) in the quality & conten, I'd say yes.   Has DA:O now set a new price level where games can be marketed at, I'd say yes and the boys&girls in marketing and sales are drinking only the best with each new release.    I mean lets be honest... 7$ for WK DLC... a chest, a few items, one new skill and a few fights.. wow.... DA:O was on sale at that time for 35$ as a door buster Best Buy!

So hurry to a new age in games, they will all now cost more but I can only hope they all play as well&long as this one.

Very well said plus all PC people...we should probably be expecting a price increase in games in general if you ask me. I mean when consoles jumped to next-gen they got a $10 bump & now we have DX11 slash our PC version of Next-gent!!!!

[HolyRomanCousinConsort]

The argument that the expansion will last more than 15 hours because you need much more than 15 hours to go from level 20 to 35 is convincing.

I was willing to pay 30 dollars for a 15 hours expansion, but 40 dollars for a game long enough to go from level 20 to 35 is a great deal. 15 levels... that's like a complete game right there.

I posit that it would take around 50 hours of gaming content to raise 15 levels. That IGN interview with Fernando Mello is very reassuring. 

Modifié par HolyRomanCousinConsort, 08 janvier 2010 - 12:22 .