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[T0paze]

Well, as I said earlier in this thread, I'm not going to buy this expansion, at least not until the price drops to a reasonable level. And I also think that by pulling tricks like that EA and Bioware actually encourage piracy. Not that I particularly care - it's their own business, after all.



That being said, I believe that the only 'incomplete' thing about DAO is the lack of Warden's Keep in the original game. Stone Prisoner is offered for free and is clearly a part of EA's efforts against buying used games. As for Bioware's dirty tricks with in-game bijouterie, one cannot seriously claim that the game is incomplete without them - their sole purpose is to squeeze some money out of wannabe munchkins.



I find it hard to believe, however, that this expansion was originally a part of a 'complete Dragon Age'. The story itself suggests otherwise. The ending in DAO, however anticlimactic, pretty much concluded the game's plot, so the new story about this Orlesian Garde des ombres guy feels exactly like an minor expansion, not like a part of the original storyline.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Chosentripster420 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Chosentripster420 wrote...

40$ is ridiculous i remember like 4 years ago that's how much an entire game cost! now they are trying to get us to pay for a new game on an expansion with less then half the gameplay?

Hi, can I come live in whatever world you are living in because the real world is a drag.  Also maybe where I can get the expansion so I can see this "less then half the gameplay" for myself. I mean you obviously must have allready gone thru the expansion to make such a statement.

and ETA of 15 hours of gameplay is not worth 40$ im sorry i dont care how well done the content is

an ETA of 15 hours?

No wonder you think it costs too much when you write so mindlessly as this, here is an idea for you, if it bugs you so much, it is simple don't buy it. No one is forcing you to

[space_midgit]

I have to agree with whoever sasid the whiners must be kids seriously 40 dollars is not alot of money IF YOU HAVE A JOB ! my god I have books more expensive than this, now theres a good time enjoyment ratio i spend 25-30 dollars on an average novel it can take me a week or a month to finish was it worth the money, every ones entitled to an opinon sure, but as it has been said, it is better to be pressumed stupid than open your mouth and erase all doubt. so be quiet and get a job, or a book so that maybe later you're capable of getting a job.

[Ariellu]

Seems to me that the basic problem here is consumption. Whereby one person consumes the content faster than the other, as a result the person with an aggresive rate of consumption is not statisfied whereby the one with a slow rate of consumption will deem it fair content.

However that said there is an observation for greedy accountancy. Some time ago Sony applied stealth DRM to its music products to try and stop piracy (its net gain loss or so it argued) the argument was around the cost of product, this was the cost of development, packaging and transportation etc, thereby implying the content was actually very cheap.

So the one area where they are currently really exposing the real greed is on digital film downloads (take a look at the price of a product on the PS3 download section) for which you get no manual no box or case for the disc and no disc, yet the price of a film download in SD format (not HD) is about £2 less then you can get in store with case manual and pride of place in your collection. Add to that its consuming your disk space (cost) and this is not a very good deal.

So I think there is a fair arguement on both sides given your perspective.
Personally I lean on the side of we are being toyed with and therefore being ripped off by the suits who have no interest in the genre and only in its revenue stream. Thankfully and I say that loosely, there are people like bioware who still produce value stuff worth playing. So given that tug and the limited options, the suits kinda have us by the balls.

The only other outlet is to make good use of the content development tools and live the dream or at least let others live it for you and take pleasure in that.

So $40 (£20) given the effort of a full team of people to generate a average consumption of 15 hrs probably aint bad. A good measure might be take your hourly rate, then using the content when its released, recreate the same expansion using the toolset. Count the hours it took you and multiply it by your hourly rate and see how much it comes too. If its more than $40 then I think you might have a bargin on your hands.

[ztemplarz]

I don't care if they want to charge $30-$40, the real issue is the amount of content. If it's a "full expansion", and the game is supposed to clock in at somewhere between 40-150 hours (read average of 95), then a "full expansion should be AT LEAST a third of that, meaning 30 hours. For it to be 15, that means it's just over a third as long as the LOWEST estimate, which is kinda pathetic. If it promised around 25-30 hours, I would be less hesitant to purchase it.

For instance- take Mass Effect 2.  While not an expansion, it essentially is- it continues the same storyline.  Yet Mass Effect 2 will be offering a completely new game's worth of content, not 15 hours.  DA was always meant to be a 3 parter, from what I understood.  So if this is the 2nd part, then can I expect the 3rd part to be another 15-20 hour "adventure"?  I mean, I don't want them to spend 5 years on each segment of the story arc, but I would rather they wait longer and release more than release less sooner.

Modifié par ztemplarz, 09 janvier 2010 - 03:48 .

[Hardin4188]

Well $40 isn't much, but it's only $10 less than the full game. Expansions have always been $30. It's not a drain on the wallet. It's troubling that companies like Infinity Ward and Bioware are trying to raise the costs of games only because they know people will buy it no matter what the price is.

[Sidney]

You've likely bought games that clock in under 15 hours...well maybe not since there are a ton of snobs on here that wouldn't be caught dead near things like ACII or Arkham Asylum or Bioshock.



Plus, if you read the IGN interview it says the players should get to around level 35. If you end at around level 21 like I have (and that is a basic normal no cheese, nearly complete playthrough) it makes for 14 levels you should gain and either you are killing at a horrific rate or the XP earned has gone way up or there's got to me more than 15 hours in the books because churning 1 level per hour would be a big change at the higher levels most PC's will be at.

[Jonnerz]

I'd prefer if they had it half the price of the original game. Technically, if DA supported multiplayer, there'd be no issue. I've played full price expansions with a campaign clocking in at 6 hours. Those games supported multiplayer and co-op, though.

[Ariellu]

Aye Jonnerz one thing that would have been great would have been a 4 player net co-op option for this game. I keep waiting for that one game that looks like this but provides that option so I can play a family group instead of virtual tactics.

[F-C]

i doubt ill buy it when it comes out if its really 40$ for 15 hours of gameplay. thats overpriced, period. no 40$ isnt a lot of money, but i still want to get my moneys worth. if you want to just give your money away for any old thing thats not worth it, feel free to send me your money, i will take it too.

seems to me bioware is targetting the portion of their audience that doesnt really have much economical sense and will buy anything for any price just because they want it. i hate to say they are targetting stupid people, but it is what it is.

they have been heading in this direction since they started on the DLC. the original box game is a great value, then all the DLC and now this expansion are targetting people who have more money than sense. they are going after the stupid people with money.

Modifié par F-C, 09 janvier 2010 - 04:38 .

[Boogielicious]

space_midgit wrote...

I have to agree with whoever sasid the whiners must be kids seriously 40 dollars is not alot of money IF YOU HAVE A JOB !

Actually, forty dollars can be significant if you have a family to support, and mouths to feed.  Many families live paycheck to paycheck, not everyone has the luxury of purchasing whatever they desire, whenever.  This is true in double income families, as well.  Reality, check in on occasion.

but as it has been said, it is better to be pressumed stupid than open your mouth and erase all doubt.

How about you take your own advice, lest you prove you're a twelve, instead of just coming off as one.

F-C wrote...

seems to me bioware EA is
targetting the portion of their audience that doesnt really have much
economical sense and will buy anything for any price just because they
want it. i hate to say they are targetting stupid people, but it is
what it is.

Fixed.

[MassEffect762]

It's funny watching DA fans turning on one another over price. And some people think World peace is a possible. LMAO.



You guys see the nickel that sold for almost 4 million? If you have the money you have the money.



I'm guessing here but I think this boils down to...



Kids vs Working adults

Free Market vs Entitlement crowd



If the price is too high just wait it out, time(supply/demand) will lower the cost eventually.

[Andrastesballs]

[MassEffect762]

Andrastesballs wrote...

Too dim in that place, needs better light bulbs.

[xCobalt]

Sidney wrote...
Plus, if you read the IGN interview it says the players should get to around level 35. If you end at around level 21 like I have (and that is a basic normal no cheese, nearly complete playthrough) it makes for 14 levels you should gain and either you are killing at a horrific rate or the XP earned has gone way up or there's got to me more than 15 hours in the books because churning 1 level per hour would be a big change at the higher levels most PC's will be at.

Just because the level cap is raised to 35, doesn't mean you'll be able to reach it. Origins had the cap at 25 and you couldn't reach it without cheating.

[huxley00]

The pc version is superior in every way (graphically, mods and price), although you dont get to play on the couch! I think 29.99 is a great price point for the pc and will gladly pay it. 39.99 seems a bit high for console though. I will probably also buy mass effect 2 on pc because it is 10 dollars cheaper as well.

[Realmjumper]

I disagree with what people are saying in regards to Bioware cheating their customers. It's simply not true. You aren't being forced to buy the extra things to complete the game like MMO's.



Secondly you have to keep in mind voice actors are an extra cost this game takes on. There is tons of dialogue which means tons of spending to the quality actors.



Though I would agree that $30 is better for the PC version than $40. Expansions typically cost between $30 and $40.

[TheRealIncarnal]

Yeah, I just can't justify spending $40 for an expansion. My cut off is at $30, which has been the industry standard for a long time. So, I'm going to wait until it comes down.

[Finiffa]

F-C wrote...
seems to me bioware is targetting the portion of their audience that doesnt really have much economical sense and will buy anything for any price just because they want it. i hate to say they are targetting stupid people, but it is what it is.

they have been heading in this direction since they started on the DLC. the original box game is a great value, then all the DLC and now this expansion are targetting people who have more money than sense. they are going after the stupid people with money.

I am a very critical consumer, especially when it comes to games, I bought enough crappy games in the past to make me very wary and carefull.  I will wait for more information about the expansion, but if it's anything like the original game I will think it's worth the money.

I am sick and tired of people like you that decide for me that I am stupid if I decide to buy a DLC or this expansion. I can make a very informed descision how to spend my money, thank you very much. And if I decide to spend it on a DLC or this expansion because I think it's worth the value for money then who are you to call me stupid???

[addiction21]

Finiffa wrote...

F-C wrote...
seems to me bioware is targetting the portion of their audience that doesnt really have much economical sense and will buy anything for any price just because they want it. i hate to say they are targetting stupid people, but it is what it is.

they have been heading in this direction since they started on the DLC. the original box game is a great value, then all the DLC and now this expansion are targetting people who have more money than sense. they are going after the stupid people with money.

I am a very critical consumer, especially when it comes to games, I bought enough crappy games in the past to make me very wary and carefull.  I will wait for more information about the expansion, but if it's anything like the original game I will think it's worth the money.

I am sick and tired of people like you that decide for me that I am stupid if I decide to buy a DLC or this expansion. I can make a very informed descision how to spend my money, thank you very much. And if I decide to spend it on a DLC or this expansion because I think it's worth the value for money then who are you to call me stupid???

Well he is F-C. The King ****. Omnipotent ruler of the forums. He knows everything and his word is fact. If you disagree prepare to be punished and to be called a stupid braindead fanboy.
All jokes aside I find it amazing that people are so ready to deam what is worthy of their money when what they know of it is next to nothing. Some features maybe mid to high level 30's we can reach. New maps, new textures, new models for everything from armor to monsters (all things that I am sure modders will love to get their hands on) some new companions with full voiceovers.
It is also suprising how many are so ready to accept 3rd party rumors and assumptions as fact. I think that is no way to wander thru life.

[Sidney]

xCobalt wrote...

Sidney wrote...
Plus, if you read the IGN interview it says the players should get to around level 35. If you end at around level 21 like I have (and that is a basic normal no cheese, nearly complete playthrough) it makes for 14 levels you should gain and either you are killing at a horrific rate or the XP earned has gone way up or there's got to me more than 15 hours in the books because churning 1 level per hour would be a big change at the higher levels most PC's will be at.

Just because the level cap is raised to 35, doesn't mean you'll be able to reach it. Origins had the cap at 25 and you couldn't reach it without cheating.

Dev specifically says they expect players to "reach" the mid to upper 30's in level so it isn't just the level cap that moved up. That thing might be at 40 based on the comments.

[Bryy_Miller]

Well, the front page is now PRing it like mad, and it says $39.99.....

[Thelios0]

Weird, the pre-order link on the DA:O main site goes to Gamestop and Awakening is $39.99 for the PC version.  Whereas, the EA store has it for pre-order in digital and physical versions for the PC at $29.95 and does not appear to be linked from the DA:O main site page.

EA Store

Modifié par Thelios0, 10 janvier 2010 - 02:30 .