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[Lycidas]

Abriael_CG wrote...

I honestly can only laugh about the "40 bucks for only 15 hours of gameplay? outrageous!" whining. There are severall full games that offer that much or less for 10-12 hours total and cost 60 dollars. Why don't you go to a movie theater and whine because they're asking you 40 dollars for 15 hours of movies?

Aside from the fact that the "15 hours" part is nowhere official, even if it was 15 hours, plus 5 new companions, a new origin, more customization options and all that? I'd say it's plenty worth 40 dollars.

The comments about piracy are just plain disgusting, and the false sense of entitlement i see is disturbing.You're not enmtitled to play games. It's not doctor's order to play games and i doubt they're covered by social healthcare in any country.
if you think the value offered is not enough for the price simply don't buy it and go play something else, or even better, get a job, so you can afford your hobbies.

^^This

[MerinTB]

I have no problem with $30 for the expansion as listed.

It's what the expansion is worth to YOU - all these artificial formulas of "x hours for y dollars" are meaningless drivel you invent to justify why you want it to be cheaper.

Games are not priced on how many hours of gameplay you get out of them in one playthrough to a win. Where have you ever seen any company or store price their game as such?

Those of you complaining - do you only pay full price for movies that are over 3 hours? Do you complain for those movies that are 80 minutes? (Ticket price or DVD or Blu-ray, whatever.)

Honestly, people will find any reason to complain. I remember the large amount of people complaining about how LONG Grindhouse was in the theater. Yes, people were ****ing that they were getting two movies plus fake trailers for the price of one ticket. A LOT of people.

Per hour is a ******-poor measure of a game's (or expansion's) worth. What does it add to the game? What do you do for the time you play the game? I'm sure an endlessly increasing in speed game like Space Invaders or some such can, technically, give you unlimited play time but is that QUALITY?

Games like Fable 2, where you can work endless jobs for endless money, or have multiple wives and families that you constantly visit and keep happy, and games of chance you can play forever - technically those games are UNENDING on one playthrough. Does that mean Fable 2 is justified to charge $200, $500, or a monthly subscription fee for the game?

Here's a whole thread on Gamespot devoted to Great, Short XBOX 360 games - http://www.gamespot....pic_id=26497725

People who like those games will pay the top dollar when the game is released and enjoy their 1-10 hours of gameplay.

Seriously, measuring by hours is lame. You can take the hours into consideration, but to make your judgement on it's worth solely by that - gah, MMO's should be charging you like $50 a month by this argument, as you can technically play them 24/7 each month and not do everything in the bigger, more established ones, and at $50 that's far less than 10 cents for each hour you COULD play it.

Really, people? Really?

If some review came out and said "yes, it's 15 hours or so of gameplay, but half of that is fighting random battles and a good quarter of it is running across the ridiculously large, barren, open area maps to get to places you need to go to complete the game" then I'd see reason for complaint.

Quality as well as quantity.

Honestly.

Modifié par MerinTB, 05 janvier 2010 - 06:16 .

[Ishbo]

Abriael_CG wrote...

I honestly can only laugh about the "40 bucks for only 15 hours of gameplay? outrageous!" whining. There are severall full games that offer that much or less for 10-12 hours total and cost 60 dollars. Why don't you go to a movie theater and whine because they're asking you 40 dollars for 15 hours of movies?

Aside from the fact that the "15 hours" part is nowhere official, even if it was 15 hours, plus 5 new companions, a new origin, more customization options and all that? I'd say it's plenty worth 40 dollars.

You really can't compare an expansion pack to a full game at all.

I'm sure they're changing a lot in this expansion pack, but ultimately you're working from an existing engine, with the same team, using the same tools etc. An expansion pack adds quests, story lines, characters, sure lots of new features, but ultimately all made with the same tools created to make the original game. Furthermore a lot has already been created - all the background story and culture, the classes, many of the characters etc.

A full game usually requires creating an engine, creating the tools to make the game, and then you have to, well, make the game.

A full game takes, I don't know, 2-3 years to make? This expansion pack, if it is being released in March, has taken about half a year. The effort to make a full $50-60 game is quite different to that of making an expansion.

Finally, many expansions for games often take at least a year to make, and I doubt it has taken Bioware that long to make this one.

Films also can't really be compared to games IMO, going to the cinema is really expensive compared to any other game.

Abriael_CG wrote...

The comments about piracy are just plain disgusting, and the false sense of entitlement i see is disturbing.You're not enmtitled to play games. It's not doctor's order to play games and i doubt they're covered by social healthcare in any country.
if you think the value offered is not enough for the price simply don't buy it and go play something else, or even better, get a job, so you can afford your hobbies.

Is it so wrong to argue that something is too expensive? This 'do or die' attitude isn't very helpful. If the game was $100, would you still tell people to get a job to play the game? Clearly there is a price threshold; you may not think $40 crosses the line, but others do.

Were lucky to be getting an expansion at all. It actually seems really early to get an expansion because the game has been out for only a few months. Well if it turns out that awakening is not worth the $40 at launch then just wait until the price drops or dont buy it at all. I think $30 is a fair deal for an expansion.

Is it a good thing that an expansion is coming out so early? I don't know, but most people have probably just finished their first or second playthrough, there's still tons to do, and mods have barely begun to come out. Sure in 3 months the scne might be different, but still...

Modifié par Ishbo, 05 janvier 2010 - 06:19 .

[zartan88]

We’d have to be careful here, at the end of it all Bioware is a business just like any other, one of the ways that they may choose to cut the cost is to cut the content, this might result in a slightly more shallow experience, or with sections feeling that they needed more ‘finishing work’.



That’s not to say that I’m happy about the price either - but I would like a finished / stable complete product.

[Gvaz]

lisakover wrote...

$20 is a little over £12 thats an insanely low price what are you guys smoking.

$40 is around £25 the normal price for expansions, hell the sims 3 expansion cost £30 ($47) at GAME when it first came out.

$1=/=£1

$20 for an expansion or extended DLC seems just fine for me

As for the ps3 comment, I don't own a ps3 (no games that interest me enough to buy a console that cant even play ps2 games)

And my 360 is for the most part, untouched save for when I rent a game.

[Sloth Of Doom]

zartan88 wrote...

We’d have to be careful here, at the end of it all Bioware is a business just like any other, one of the ways that they may choose to cut the cost is to cut the content, this might result in a slightly more shallow experience, or with sections feeling that they needed more ‘finishing work’.

That’s not to say that I’m happy about the price either - but I would like a finished / stable complete product.

You mean they may release Wardens Keep?  ....oh wait.

Modifié par Sloth Of Doom, 05 janvier 2010 - 06:19 .

[spernus]

The best thing to do will be to wait for a price slash,since it's going to get a retail release. I am sure we will be able to buy that expansion for 20$ on PC and 30$ on console eventually(just like Origins already saw a couple of price slash).

I can see myself paying 20$ for 15 hours of content,but 30$ is really pushing it.40$ is way too high,but I bought the PC version anyway.

[Coastwatcher]

Then the Gold Edition, GOTY Edition whatever it's called will come out for the Holiday season 2010 with DAO, all the DLCs, plus the expansion for $ 50-60. Much cheaper than if you bought all this separately.

Modifié par Coastwatcher, 05 janvier 2010 - 06:20 .

[Raven-sb]

Personally I'm fine with the price of the expansion pack. It costs money to produce and create this content and make sure it intergrates into the existing content. Personally I will be pre-ordering the xp as soon as pre-orders become available down here in New Zealand.

Modifié par Raven-sb, 05 janvier 2010 - 06:22 .

[Kreid]

lisakover wrote...

**** it, Bioware just take my money and let me have it

My thoughs exactly.

[MerinTB]

Coas****cher wrote...

Then the Gold Edition, GOTY Edition whatever it's called will come out for the Holiday season 2010 with DAO, all the DLCs, plus the expansion for $ 50-60. Much cheaper than if you bought all this separately.

And, if you do like I do for so many games, wait 2-3 years after the game is released and you can buy them for like $5 brand new. 

Wooo, all you "morons" buying your games the first year they are out when you can just be patient and wait years to save like 90%. (this is sarcasm, btw.)

[Gvaz]

Ishbo wrote...
words

Not really, with an MMO you first pay for the cd key (about the price of a game), then they'll give you like a free month ($15) and $15 a month after that.

You already paid for their game, now you're just paying for the service of accessing (which is marked up a bit from what it actually costs so they make a profit)

However, I have a ton of console games and pc games I've never finished. Why should I spend my time on your product instead of what I already have?

1. is it cheap enough?
2. is it an expansion to a game I already own?
3. is it similar to a type of game or genre that I enjoy?
4. how long about is the game
5. are the reviews good? (taken at face value)
6. is there issues about drm or other wonkyness? (mass effect dlc on windows 7 64 bit for example)
7. how long has the game been out/will this make me want to play the game more than once?

are all things I take into consideration when picking up a game or expansion.
Generally speaking, I don't play games multiple times, though with KOTOR and ME (both bioware games) I have. Dragon Age, not really so much though I do feel i enjoyed the game and the world and will definately buy the second game if it ever comes.

[fanman72]

zartan88 wrote...

We’d have to be careful here, at the end of it all Bioware is a business just like any other, one of the ways that they may choose to cut the cost is to cut the content, this might result in a slightly more shallow experience, or with sections feeling that they needed more ‘finishing work’.

That’s not to say that I’m happy about the price either - but I would like a finished / stable complete product.

People tend to feel pretty entitled nowadays.  I think no matter what people will complain.  I personally wouldn't mind paying higher prices if that results in more and better high quality content

[Coastwatcher]

MerinTB wrote...

Coas****cher wrote...

Then the Gold Edition, GOTY Edition whatever it's called will come out for the Holiday season 2010 with DAO, all the DLCs, plus the expansion for $ 50-60. Much cheaper than if you bought all this separately.

And, if you do like I do for so many games, wait 2-3 years after the game is released and you can buy them for like $5 brand new. 

Wooo, all you "morons" buying your games the first year they are out when you can just be patient and wait years to save like 90%. (this is sarcasm, btw.)

Not a bad idea. By that time, I might actually afford a PC that can run all of that at the highest settings.

[bblasphemous]

Not interested.

[Sylixe]

Rolenka wrote...

Game prices haven't gone up in what, 20 years?

Forget inflation, what do you think production costs have done in that time?

They have gone up along with the price of the games.  The best games for a PC 20 years ago sold for at max $15-20.  Unfortunately the quality of the games has dropped dramatically thanks to people demanding better graphics over better game play.  I cannot honestly bring myself to buying this till it's selling for $4.99 on steam.  DAO is a solid game but it's not the kind of game that makes me HAVE to go out and buy addons immediately.

[Blakes 7]

All I'm going to say is hooray! An expansion pack! At least the content will be properly fleshed out unlike dlc - people seriously enjoy it for what it is. A sign of commitment to telling longer stories rather than shorter unfinished ones like dlc ones so far.

[keesio74]

GvazElite wrote...

I'm the consumer who isn't willing to pay $60 for a game unless it has "stuff" with it that's extra.

$50 is usually my high point, where most of the games I like I'll wait until the game has been out for a year and they're released on steam weekend deals or something for 50% off.

$30 for the pc version is much better, as thats the version I own, however, that's still asking too much.

I don't mind paying a lot for a kick ass game. The reviews I read on this game was outstanding and since I was itching for a good CRPG, I had a feeling it was going to be great. $60 is a lot for a game that I'm taking a chance on, but not a game from a comany like Bioware and with all the glowing reviews.

[JabberJaww]

TheMadCat wrote...

JabberJaww wrote...

Gabochido wrote...

While for many, the value of an expansion like this is just the "15 extra hours", keep in mind that the actual cost of creating it goes way beyond that. Many of the new features in the expansion can likely affect the rest of the game so that means making sure new things interact with old things, and you know by now that there are a lot of old things. It means a lot of testing and a lot of code re-writing and content modifications.

$20 would have been fine im sure

Really. Any insight to this suggestion or simply assuming?

So its ok to just assume $40 is a fair price without any actual facts involving the pricing?

I dont think so.

BioWare is releasing, ME2, going strong DA, The Old Republic with a monthly fee... i am sure they could have afforded to charge $20-$25 for an expansion... EA and BioWare are 2 of the most succesful game companies. They could give us a break for crying out loud

[Gabo]

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...
The main DA game required several times more code, money and effort than this expansion did.  Yet it was a very popular product that undoubtedly netted EA a tidy profit. The sales from the main game made up for 5 years' worth of engine development, testing, art, writing and music.

I'm not sure where you got such trustworthy data indicating that EA has made a profit from the sales of DA and that it has made up for the 5 years of develepment and content creation so that you can state it in such a way, but I'm afraid that I don't personally have authority or enough knowledge to confirm or deny your statement.

However, I can tell you something about game development. Not all games are expected to recover the money spent on them based on revenues of the game alone. Many intelectual properties (IPs) have a long term plan that includes additional content, expansions, sequels and other products and often the revenues from the sale value is distributed among these products in ways that are not exactly proportional to their individual development costs. This is done to suit the market and the demand for these products. Sometimes a product that is expensive to produce and has little demand is made just to support an IP in certain markets and make sure the IP has a broader audience, gaining more market and therefore more revenue in the long run.

So don't be surprised if some products seem to have greater value than others as this is often a necessary strategy to keep game development sustainable.

[DarknessMessiah]

So THAT's why they can't deliver or estimate the deadline for Return to Ostagar!

[TeleProd]

$30 for the PC version as indicated by Gamestop is a fair price for 15 hours of content. Compared to Origins Awakening might have a bad hours-to-price ratio but Dragon Age was pretty long by today's standards. I loved Origins and I am willing to spend 30 euros to have more of it. It should be condensed awesome!

[BlarkW]

You know you all complain when it's 5 dollars for an hour of game play, which isn't bad at all!! Now they're giving us new creatures, options among many other features which are new and you still complain about the price.



I think the only way you all will be happy is when they give you a 100 hours for 5 dollars. Though then you'll nick pick it apart because the grass doesn't look real enough.



Come on!



yes a bit of a rant but I'm tired of seeing the same complaining. The company HAS to make money or else we will no longer get new content and an AWESOME game such as DA will be put out to pasture. I would hate to see this happen. I hope by the end of the year or next there's a whole new DA that carries this world even further. I love the setting and nothing in many many years has got my interests such as DA.



also, some say that the game play hours are over exaggerated, but also could they not be under exaggerated as well?

[Ishbo]

GvazElite wrote...

Not really, with an MMO you first pay for the cd key (about the price of a game), then they'll give you like a free month ($15) and $15 a month after that.

You already paid for their game, now you're just paying for the service of accessing (which is marked up a bit from what it actually costs so they make a profit)

Er I wasn't talking about MMOs.

Anyway I think the main two grievances people have atm are that:

a) The price is quite high, especially compared to DA:O and other 'full' games
It's not a huge expansion compared to other expansions

And I really wish people would stop using films and nights out to compare prices, they're completely different.

Modifié par Ishbo, 05 janvier 2010 - 07:15 .