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[empetus]

From what I have seen of DLC so far I'll definitely be passing on this. Wardens Keep was at most an hours worth of play time, and not worth the extra money to get it. They say this will be 15 hours of content, its probably less than 10 hours of content in reality. And I would only play it once anyway so $30 would be a rip off price. Like another one said, Dragon Age is a good game but not compelling enough for me to pay that kind of price for that amount of play time. There are so many new and intriguing RPGs coming out this year too so likely I'll be playing those instead when I'm done with Dragon Age original game.



As another remarked, I might buy it if and when its on steam for around 5 bucks eventually.

[TheMadCat]

miltos33 wrote...

Some people should stop comparing a video game expansion to movies or whatever. The thing is that there aren't any expansions in the market that cost more than $30 regardless of their duration. What makes EA/Bioware think that they can get away with charging $10 more than anybody else in this particular market it really escapes me.

Sure there is, King's Bounty: Armoured Princess sold for $40, The Sims 3 expansions generally cost $40, Empire: Total War's stand alone expansion is going to cost that much if I remember correctlysame with ArmA 2 standalone. I'd say $40 is becoming the new average for expansions.

[bjdbwea]

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...

You raise a good point. 15 hours is kind of like the Orzammar campaign. Can we really flesh out 5 companions just in Orzammar? Even Oghren and Shale have a lot of dialogue and quest outside of Orzammar. The Oghren from Orzammar is not the same as the one at the end of the game.

You could very well present 5 nicely developed companions in 15 hours. Only problem, there'd not be much time left for everything else. 15 hours does sound to be quite short overall, especially since "official" game play time measurements already are a bit stretched usually. But as someone else said, let's wait and see.

As a related note, I don't know if I want to buy anything for DA at all as long as the loading times bug isn't fixed. The add-on would be the perfect opportunity to implement proper in-game descriptions too.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 05 janvier 2010 - 11:26 .

[Abriael_CG]

BlueEyes_Austin wrote...

Nonsense.  Pirates aren't pirates due to some moral crusade.  They are pirates because they are cheap MFs.

Quoted for truth. There's no robin hood in the videogame market. if you' pirate a game you aren't stealing to the rich to give to the poor, you're a disgusting thief, and damage the market. What you steal, we all have to pay for, one way or another.

[addiction21]

miltos33 wrote...

Some people should stop comparing a video game expansion to movies or whatever. The thing is that there aren't any expansions in the market that cost more than $30 regardless of their duration. What makes EA/Bioware think that they can get away with charging $10 more than anybody else in this particular market it really escapes me.

You can not like the price all you want but making up bs claims like there have and are no expansion packs over 30 dollars...  why do you feel the need to lie to try to get your point across?

Just off the top of my head the baulders gate games expannsions, homeworlds, every mmo expansion I have bought, the sims,  and there are a few more I know were more then 30 dollars at their release.

Modifié par addiction21, 05 janvier 2010 - 11:30 .

[Sandrius]

MW2 sold great, didint it ? Game was max 3-4h long. Tho half of the money for multiplayer ofcourse.

So people have bought bad games with alot more money.

Modifié par Sandrius, 05 janvier 2010 - 11:32 .

[deathonacracker]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

That's the going rate for expansions. That's about what we paid for BG:TotSC, or NWN:SoU.
With all the whining about DLC, I'd have thought a full expansion would have been better received.

It would be nice if it was all DLC for an existing game. Overhead should go way down.

Mike

[Sylixe]

MerinTB wrote...

Sylixe wrote...

Rolenka wrote...

Game prices haven't gone up in what, 20 years?

Forget inflation, what do you think production costs have done in that time?

They have gone up along with the price of the games.  The best games for a PC 20 years ago sold for at max $15-20.  Unfortunately the quality of the games has dropped dramatically thanks to people demanding better graphics over better game play.  I cannot honestly bring myself to buying this till it's selling for $4.99 on steam.  DAO is a solid game but it's not the kind of game that makes me HAVE to go out and buy addons immediately.

Quality of games has not gone up since 1989?  Honestly?

Hey, I love Knights of Legend, Pool of Radiance and Wasteland - and I'm sure Ultima V, Wizardry III, and The Magic Candle were fine games for their time - but seriously?  The quality has dropped?

Ignoring the fact that, honestly, for almost all gamers the improved graphics and sound of games since 1989 or so are ACTUALLY big improvements in gaming, how do you think you can justify such a statement?

As for prices, computers cost about $1000 or more in 1989 - but you know, gas was like $1 and stamps were 25 cents, so $25 for a computer game is like, what, $60-100 via inflation?  Computer games were programmed by basically one guy - some games had a couple guys, this was just changing in the late 80's early 90's but Knights of Legend was almost exclusively one programmer, Todd Porter.  Here's a guy talking about development costs for computer games at the time - http://www.erasmataz...dern_Times.html - where you can see the average cost of a year of computer game development was $90,000 in 1989.

Seriously, it is statements like these that are so flawed that really get me.

Actually inflation has little to do with the price of a computer today since the machine i am running now cost me $1500 built myself.  Feel free to go buy a piece of crap premade machine and get screwed in the process if you like.  Sure stamps cost a quarter but inflation didn't raise the price of stamps as you would imagine.  The price of oil and wages actually are the biggest factors in the rising stamp prices.

Games certainly have come a long way since those days.  I was refering more to the early 2000's and upward.  Since the early 2000's games have taken steps backwards in game play and development and taken huge leaps forward in look great to cover their short falls.  Even worse is this trend to make games stupidly easy so everyone can win them with the cheat codes installed already.  There are some notable exceptions but for the most part most games have not gotten better from a game playing aspect.  Some have been so bad that even their graphics are dated.

Seriosuly, rebuttals like yours are what get me.

[phimseto]

I am happy to see Bioware return to the expansion pack, but what they expect to charge for it leaves a lot to be desired.



Sorry, but paying 2/3 of the price of a full-game for an expansion with only a fraction of its parent game's content is ridiculous. Anyone who follows the industry knows that the tale of this decade has been publishers pushing up prices and then being pleasantly surprised that they can get away with charging these higher rates. This is just EA trying to set a new price point, to which I say, "no thanks."



I love DA: O, but will not be playing Awakening until it is done to a more reasonable $20-$25 price range, a closer approximation of the cost/content ratio. I hate to wait, but not as much as I hate having my loyalty played upon for a cash grab. Despite what a lot of people here are saying in rather snarky fashion, just because you can afford something does not mean its price is acceptable.

[TeleProd]

Just a question: does this whole 15 hour thing originate from the Eurogamer rumour or has it officially been stated somewhere? It did say the MAIN STORYLINE is 15 hours long. It was wrong about the release date (19th as opposed to 16th) so why not about this too?

[HolyRomanCousinConsort]

TeleProd wrote...

Just a question: does this whole 15 hour thing originate from the Eurogamer rumour or has it officially been stated somewhere? It did say the MAIN STORYLINE is 15 hours long. It was wrong about the release date (19th as opposed to 16th) so why not about this too?

Errr, that Czech gaming site was quite good when they predicted March 19th but it ended up March 16th.

On the other hand, EA said Return to Ostagar was due for the holiday season 

[TeleProd]

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...

Errr, that Czech gaming site was quite good when they predicted March 19th but it ended up March 16th.

On the other hand, EA said Return to Ostagar was due for the holiday season 

Maybe they heard fifteen instead of fifty. One can hope.

[HolyRomanCousinConsort]

TeleProd wrote...

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...

Errr, that Czech gaming site was quite good when they predicted March 19th but it ended up March 16th.

On the other hand, EA said Return to Ostagar was due for the holiday season 

Maybe they heard fifteen instead of fifty. One can hope.

haha now that is the kind of mistake I can live it.

[AdamnessX]

In all honesty, $40 really isn't that much. At least in my opinion.

[thegreateski]

AdamnessX wrote...

In all honesty, $40 really isn't that much. At least in my opinion.

It's a lot if your a college student

[HolyRomanCousinConsort]

AdamnessX wrote...

In all honesty, $40 really isn't that much. At least in my opinion.

Neither is 50$. But 50$ was the cost of the DA main game and 80 hours of gaming. While 40$ in March would net you a 15 hours expansion.

[addiction21]

thegreateski wrote...

AdamnessX wrote...

In all honesty, $40 really isn't that much. At least in my opinion.

It's a lot if your a college student

Well if your a college student you should not be play and paying for games.  The books cost a **** load and things like beer, pot, womens (or men), trips, and partys are where that money should be going. Oh and ramen. You could eat for a month on ramen noodels and 40 dollars.

[AdamnessX]

thegreateski wrote...

AdamnessX wrote...

In all honesty, $40 really isn't that much. At least in my opinion.

It's a lot if your a college student

I am a college student ^^. Well, university student in England.

[Fleb]

15 hours is for just one playthrough though, im into double figures on DAO playthrough's already so ill be buying the xpac.

[AdamnessX]

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...

AdamnessX wrote...

In all honesty, $40 really isn't that much. At least in my opinion.

Neither is 50$. But 50$ was the cost of the DA main game and 80 hours of gaming. While 40$ in March would net you a 15 hours expansion.

You're right. The game itself should have cost us a lot more. Lucky times.

[damirko]

30$ for PC version of the expansion is totaly reasonable...

Besides that 15 hours quote if true is apromixation for the main story of Awakening... I think that with few sidequest it'll get over 20+ hours without a problem.

Modifié par damirko, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:28 .

[Mikey_205]

You people need to educate yourselves. Mask of the Betrayer for NWN 2 was a 15 hour game and yet is said to be many times better than the original game. Quality over quantity. Id pay that amount for a game with a great story that answers a lot of the questions Dragon Age left me with.



Then there's the add-in content which lets you play the game differently with different spells etc...

[HolyRomanCousinConsort]

AdamnessX wrote...

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...

AdamnessX wrote...

In all honesty, $40 really isn't that much. At least in my opinion.

Neither is 50$. But 50$ was the cost of the DA main game and 80 hours of gaming. While 40$ in March would net you a 15 hours expansion.

You're right. The game itself should have cost us a lot more. Lucky times.

EA would be pleased to hear that 

[Keithhy]

If this expansion is only 15 hours, then it better be a good 15 hours.

Looks like Bioware is well on the way to doing that though, so I'm happy.

[AdamnessX]

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...

AdamnessX wrote...

HolyRomanCousinConsort wrote...

AdamnessX wrote...

In all honesty, $40 really isn't that much. At least in my opinion.

Neither is 50$. But 50$ was the cost of the DA main game and 80 hours of gaming. While 40$ in March would net you a 15 hours expansion.

You're right. The game itself should have cost us a lot more. Lucky times.

EA would be pleased to hear that 

Whilst writing out that reply I was thinking, 'Gosh I hope EA don't read this' lol.

Modifié par AdamnessX, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:32 .