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[BridgeBurner]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...
You know I think the QFI could almost out-melee you too, since her melee technically counts as tech damage and Sabotage boosts that by 50%.

Na, but you'd be almost on par with a krogan.

Which again, is complete and utter bullsh*t.

F*cking weak races get to complete with krogan in melee, GG biower on poor game design there.

Krogan without shield is no different from Geth without shield in higher difficulty

Health and shields + DR are secondary to raw DPS output in terms of survivability.

A geth infiltrator, that can kill 3 gold level pyros in a single heavy melee has far greater survivability versus a krogan in the same situation.

Biower should play the game more with actual players, instead of sitting in an office talking about the balance changes.

I daresay they would pick up on a few things here and there which deserve some attention.

[Blarg]

RedJohn wrote...

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

I don't want it nerfed because people do well with it. I want it FIXED because it affects other kits too much via balance changes.

The stim pack thing wasn't for Tactical Cloak, was because giving +4K of shields was insane.

Except the two in conjunction made him nearly invincible and have insane damage output at the same time. On their own, each power is fine as is, but combine TC with almost any offensive power and watch the nerfhammer come down. The problem with that is that for those without TC, the nerf is far worse, while those with TC that the nerf was intended for are barely affected at all.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Annomander wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...
You know I think the QFI could almost out-melee you too, since her melee technically counts as tech damage and Sabotage boosts that by 50%.

Na, but you'd be almost on par with a krogan.

Which again, is complete and utter bullsh*t.

F*cking weak races get to complete with krogan in melee, GG biower on poor game design there.

Krogan without shield is no different from Geth without shield in higher difficulty

Health and shields + DR are secondary to raw DPS output in terms of survivability.

A geth infiltrator, that can kill 3 gold level pyros in a single heavy melee has far greater survivability versus a krogan in the same situation.

Biower should play the game more with actual players, instead of sitting in an office talking about the balance changes.

I daresay they would pick up on a few things here and there which deserve some attention.

My Krogan without Shield dies in 2 shots from Phantom same as my Geth Infiltrator. Now that is brilliant balance

[capn233]

Nobody wants cloak nerfed. It is your imagination.

[Uchimura]

Not agreeing with a nerf, but if they did, they could probably buff a whole lot more.

[U Bite My Pillow]

When they changed TC the first time it was 110% necessary. Now you must choose between damage or utility, instead of getting both no matter which evolutions you took. If they decide to do something to it again what can you really do to stop it besides quit playing?

[Eelectrica]

I'd prefer a proper buff to havoc strike. Of the tgi and ths, ths is more fun to play. He needs some reward for the risk he takes.

[BridgeBurner]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...
My Krogan without Shield dies in 2 shots from Phantom same as my Geth Infiltrator. Now that is brilliant balance

Aye, but krogan actually being able to be played like krogan, or actually having krogan esque toughness, or krogan esque melee damage would be so overpowered, in the same way that the TGI, GI and kroguard aren't overpowered in the slightest.

GI who can 3 shot a gold level prime w/ javelin through a wall

TGI who has kroguard toughness and GI-esque burst DPS

kroguard is kroguard.... sigh. Delete the kroguard, and buff the other brogans. Biower pls.

Modifié par Annomander, 06 décembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[JohnShades]

Should I just go out on a limb and say that ME4mp will not have tactical cloak? Would that concept be completely crazy?

[DeathScepter]

Annomander wrote...

Nope2.1 wrote...

Where did all the 'nerf the TC' thing come from?

Feneckus.

The man, the legend.

He is the progenitor of all this uproar.

And Ironically, Feneckus made some pretty compelling arguments, then the 98% moron population of the BSN thought they would all make a thread or 6 arguing for not nerfing TC.

Aside from this thread by redjohn, most of the anti-nerfers have nothing of consequence or intelligence to say.

Anti nerfers have plenty to say. all of it is intelligent. 

Modifié par DeathScepter, 06 décembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[BridgeBurner]

DeathScepter wrote...

Anti nerfers have plenty to say. all of it is intelligent. 

Evidence?

Oh, now I remember, there isn't a whole lot.

[Baby Quarian]

Its been nerfed once already. :/ Half the time its not fully usefull, so why make it worse for us.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Annomander wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...
My Krogan without Shield dies in 2 shots from Phantom same as my Geth Infiltrator. Now that is brilliant balance

Aye, but krogan actually being able to be played like krogan, or actually having krogan esque toughness, or krogan esque melee damage would be so overpowered, in the same way that the TGI, GI and kroguard aren't overpowered in the slightest.

GI who can 3 shot a gold level prime w/ javelin through a wall

TGI who has kroguard toughness and GI-esque burst DPS

kroguard is kroguard.... sigh. Delete the kroguard, and buff the other brogans. Biower pls.

How about buff Krogan Soldier and Sentinel Health? They are young Krogan not old Biotic
Edit: I feel like Protection power doesn't protect Health

Modifié par Crimson Vanguard, 06 décembre 2012 - 03:02 .

[Cyonan]

Annomander wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Anti nerfers have plenty to say. all of it is intelligent. 

Evidence?

Oh, now I remember, there isn't a whole lot.

I did have that bit about how the QFI can't pump out as much weapon damage as any of the 4 Soldiers specialized for using weapons, despite the claims that TC was the best weapon damage ability in the game.

I still have yet to see anybody capable of disputing that claim, and if the QFI can't do it, clearly TC alone is not a problem.

[DeathScepter]

Annomander wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Anti nerfers have plenty to say. all of it is intelligent. 

Evidence?

Oh, now I remember, there isn't a whole lot.

So you have been talking to the Mental Patients again. And Annomander, Tactical Cloak doesn't need to be nerf again.

[Kenadian]

Annomander wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Cyonan wrote...
You know I think the QFI could almost out-melee you too, since her melee technically counts as tech damage and Sabotage boosts that by 50%.

Na, but you'd be almost on par with a krogan.

Which again, is complete and utter bullsh*t.

F*cking weak races get to complete with krogan in melee, GG biower on poor game design there.

Krogan without shield is no different from Geth without shield in higher difficulty

Health and shields + DR are secondary to raw DPS output in terms of survivability.

A geth infiltrator, that can kill 3 gold level pyros in a single heavy melee has far greater survivability versus a krogan in the same situation.

Biower should play the game more with actual players, instead of sitting in an office talking about the balance changes.

I daresay they would pick up on a few things here and there which deserve some attention.

In most circumstances yes, but shield restoration trumps everything else in survivability. See: pre-nerf Stim Packs and Kro/Batguard now.

[COLZ7R]

Not a lot of people want tc nerffed, but the ones who do...**** me they go on for ages, will spam any post even with a hint of infs in it, will keep their own self obsessed threads chugging along and will never,ever give one **** what the majority think unless it agrees with them

[Cyonan]

Kenadian wrote...

In most circumstances yes, but shield restoration trumps everything else in survivability. See: pre-nerf Stim Packs and Kro/Batguard now.

Technically not being hit trumps everything else in survivability =P

Then yeah the shield regen thing.

[billy the squid]

Annomander wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Anti nerfers have plenty to say. all of it is intelligent. 

Evidence?

Oh, now I remember, there isn't a whole lot.

So rather like the nerfers then, lots to say and little of it intelligent.

[BridgeBurner]

Cyonan wrote...

Annomander wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Anti nerfers have plenty to say. all of it is intelligent. 

Evidence?

Oh, now I remember, there isn't a whole lot.

I did have that bit about how the QFI can't pump out as much weapon damage as any of the 4 Soldiers specialized for using weapons, despite the claims that TC was the best weapon damage ability in the game.

I still have yet to see anybody capable of disputing that claim, and if the QFI can't do it, clearly TC alone is not a problem.

Besides from you Cyonan, 99% of all the anti-nerfers are unaware of any of your maths. THey just don't want their beloved crutch class balanced.

[BridgeBurner]

billy the squid wrote...

Annomander wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Anti nerfers have plenty to say. all of it is intelligent. 

Evidence?

Oh, now I remember, there isn't a whole lot.

So rather like the nerfers then, lots to say and little of it intelligent.

Well, Feneckus' arguments aren't really readily refutable, see his thread. Come back to me once you've got some evidence against what he said.

Oh yeah, you don't.

[Cyonan]

Annomander wrote...

Besides from you Cyonan, 99% of all the anti-nerfers are unaware of any of your maths. THey just don't want their beloved crutch class balanced.

Clearly I need more people to hear me!

Though I don't think that makes for a very compelling blog or youtube channel, and other than that I've got nothing.

[Mindfane]

The deepest places in hell are reserved for those who cry for TC nerf ..oh and Harrier nerf.

[Jackville Assington]

JohnShades wrote...

Because I want the forums to explode?