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Will IT believers throw in the towel on the final DLC or when ME4 is released?


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If ME4 is a sequel that uses the endings at face value I will throw in the towel but it would also be a bad idea to take the terrible endings we have right now and make them canon because they are AWFUL

When bad ideas even stopped nowadays EAWare, i wonder :wizard:


Well if they were smart which ea really isnt they would want to make sure they dont kill the mass effect name and by using the endings we have without change would be suicide

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2038 is when we find out there was a gunman on the grassy knoll in Dallas on November 23, 1963.

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Nope, because based on all the facts and evidence in the game, that is what the ending is. Maybe instead of relying on an official answer from Bioware, people should read some codex entries or actually look for clues during the ending? I mean they provided the clues and information to explain the ending in the game. You don't need some DLC to do it. 

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Please don't misconstrue this as an attack on IT, or IT believers.

While I like the themes of the literal ending (it is under explained or tied up, however).

I also like IT.

As IT is interpretive if or until the holy grail of post-ending DLC is released, at what point wil ITers give up on hope?

Will it only be when ME4 canonizes or refers to the ME3 finale in a way that solidifies it?


I prefer sequel for two reasons, first is that midquel or prequel would be a crap and second is that I will have a pleasure to look how BioWare´s trying to either canonize or dismiss ME trilogy´s outcomes with new universe.

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Nope, because based on all the facts and evidence in the game, that is what the ending is. Maybe instead of relying on an official answer from Bioware, people should read some codex entries or actually look for clues during the ending? I mean they provided the clues and information to explain the ending in the game. You don't need some DLC to do it. 


Then gratulations sir, you have recieved unfinished product... because it´s doesn´t matter how much I like ending yet I hate it for it´s unfinished and unused potential. IT with all clues and explanations means that this is not ending -_-

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Then gratulations sir, you have recieved unfinished product... because it´s doesn´t matter how much I like ending yet I hate it for it´s unfinished and unused potential. IT with all clues and explanations means that this is not ending -_-


They said this game doesn't have a traditional ending.

People weren't expecting something that ties up every single loose end were they? I mean, all the thousands of different variables in choices? Some of those were wrapped up, but not during the ending, just sometime during the course of the game.

Game isn't over yet. More stuff to come

Modifié par magnetite, 06 décembre 2012 - 07:44 .


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jpraelster93 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

If ME4 is a sequel that uses the endings at face value I will throw in the towel but it would also be a bad idea to take the terrible endings we have right now and make them canon because they are AWFUL

When bad ideas even stopped nowadays EAWare, i wonder :wizard:


Well if they were smart which ea really isnt they would want to make sure they dont kill the mass effect name and by using the endings we have without change would be suicide

They just decided that their old target audience not worth the effort of good writing, and their new target audience does not need such effort.
And you know, i think they are right - they still producing DLCs; this means that their new target audience is perfect replacement for their destroyed core fanbase.
Also, given that garbage z-movie level storytelling is not requires much effort, or good writers at all - they'll even cut expenses and shorten development time. :wizard:

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They said this game doesn't have a traditional ending.

People weren't expecting something that ties up every single loose end were they? I mean, all the thousands of different variables in choices? Some of those were wrapped up, but not during the ending, just sometime during the course of the game.


This is not about some good ending with hero walking away from fire with USA flag, but only what I wanted is some coherent storytelling which make sense, from literal point of view nothing make sense =/= from theory it all makes sense, yet BioWare´s EC gave more strenght to literal point - showed people fancy slides and now they are bashing theory even more coz LOOK WHAT CATALYST GAVE US.

I would never believe that I said that but actually OC was better, because there was much less fallacies and crap around then in the EC and yes it gave a birth to IT.

I never wanted to see how each single folk which I met in the game have a kids or live after Reaper war, it´s typical justification of bad endings -that there is hundreds of decision and some players wants to see every signle one to flashed out-  but they are wrong, I wanted to see only few of my major decision how to play out as much I wanted to see either survived or died Shepard but in normal common sense. BioWare´s silence makes things worst, if they said that look it´s IT then everyone would step up and said either great or bad ... but their secrecy made all this mess, when they refused to talk with us instead of hiding in their office and avoiding to questions. Worst about this is still all those kind of speculations that they could prove or disprove IT with some DLC or next game... and I think that i don´t even need to point reasons why.

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Unlikely. If a sequel, they'll insist ME4 is all a hallucination too, and that ME5 will be the reveal.



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You can't end a delusion.

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myself and my son were discussing ME3 last night and he asked me a question that actually makes a hell of a lot of sense.

What if Mass Effect 3 was designed as a two parter?

ie: Mass effect 3 pt 2 will conclude everything in the reaper storyline. Thats whats wrong with the story. It is nowhere near any type of resolution. red green blue. and shep breathing makes no sense unless we're not done yet.

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dorktainian wrote...

myself and my son were discussing ME3 last night and he asked me a question that actually makes a hell of a lot of sense.

What if Mass Effect 3 was designed as a two parter?

ie: Mass effect 3 pt 2 will conclude everything in the reaper storyline. Thats whats wrong with the story. It is nowhere near any type of resolution. red green blue. and shep breathing makes no sense unless we're not done yet.



Ah, yes, ‘IT’. A theory that suggests the ending is not as it seems and will be answered in more content. We have dismissed this claim.

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I never wanted to see how each single folk which I met in the game have a kids or live after Reaper war, it´s typical justification of bad endings -that there is hundreds of decision and some players wants to see every signle one to flashed out-  but they are wrong, I wanted to see only few of my major decision how to play out as much I wanted to see either survived or died Shepard but in normal common sense. BioWare´s silence makes things worst, if they said that look it´s IT then everyone would step up and said either great or bad ... but their secrecy made all this mess, when they refused to talk with us instead of hiding in their office and avoiding to questions. Worst about this is still all those kind of speculations that they could prove or disprove IT with some DLC or next game... and I think that i don´t even need to point reasons why.


They've said that IT is perfectly valid, and they're right. That's what the ending actually is. My guess is that they'll probably do some sort of reveal at the end of the DLC cycle. Why do it early on. Instead wait for the big finale at the end (probably sometime next year).

That's the other thing, if they wanted to make the ending some kind of indoctrination attempt, to make it feel real, it kind of has to not make sense. After all, it's all going on in your mind or dreams. Dreams or nightmares rarely make sense. I've remembered a few and they were very weird and filled with "plot holes" and many inconsistencies.

Major decisions in all three games or just Mass Effect 3? The EC took care of Mass Efect 3's major decisions. The major decisions in Mass Effect 2 played out sometime during Mass Effect 3. Major decisions in Mass Effect 1 (save council, etc) played out sometime during Mass Effect 2.

I keep hearing something where previous choices affect the ending (not you, but some people expected this). The way this game works is kind of like the preceeding paragraph. Choices affect how the overall story plays out, but the ending is more or less the same. With some minor differences. Has been like this for previous games, as well as Mass Effect 3.

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TheProtheans wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

myself and my son were discussing ME3 last night and he asked me a question that actually makes a hell of a lot of sense.

What if Mass Effect 3 was designed as a two parter?

ie: Mass effect 3 pt 2 will conclude everything in the reaper storyline. Thats whats wrong with the story. It is nowhere near any type of resolution. red green blue. and shep breathing makes no sense unless we're not done yet.



Ah, yes, ‘IT’. A theory that suggests the ending is not as it seems and will be answered in more content. We have dismissed this claim.

err.....no IT can still exist.  All it needs is to be confirmed.  If we know Shep is indoctrinated (even if in the end he dies).  As it stands Sheps end ain't a hero's end.  It's the end of a person so driven down into depression that he is willing to take a complete strangers word on how to end the conflict as the truth.  This ain't over.  (although it might be for shep) Dont forget there is ME4 in production.

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The Extended Cut came and told us about what happens after in some detail, leaving Shepard's perspective. Those who haven't given up then probably never will, not unless Bioware comes out and says IT isn't true, which they won't. If you can dismiss ten minutes of ending cutscenes as unreal, nothing will convince you.

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The Extended Cut came and told us about what happens after in some detail, leaving Shepard's perspective. Those who haven't given up then probably never will, not unless Bioware comes out and says IT isn't true, which they won't. If you can dismiss ten minutes of ending cutscenes as unreal, nothing will convince you.


QFT

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magnetite wrote...

They've said that IT is perfectly valid, and they're right. That's what the ending actually is. My guess is that they'll probably do some sort of reveal at the end of the DLC cycle. Why do it early on. Instead wait for the big finale at the end (probably sometime next year). 

That's the other thing, if they wanted to make the ending some kind of indoctrination attempt, to make it feel real, it kind of has to not make sense. After all, it's all going on in your mind or dreams. Dreams or nightmares rarely make sense. I've remembered a few and they were very weird and filled with "plot holes" and many inconsistencies.

Major decisions in all three games or just Mass Effect 3? The EC took care of Mass Efect 3's major decisions. The major decisions in Mass Effect 2 played out sometime during Mass Effect 3. Major decisions in Mass Effect 1 (save council, etc) played out sometime during Mass Effect 2.

I keep hearing something where previous choices affect the ending (not you, but some people expected this). The way this game works is kind of like the preceeding paragraph. Choices affect how the overall story plays out, but the ending is more or less the same. With some minor differences. Has been like this for previous games, as well as Mass Effect 3.


I'll refer you to my response here.

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I don'twant folks to stop talking about the IT,they just need to do so in the correct sub forum:Mass Effect 3 Fan Creation

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simonphoenix wrote...

I don'twant folks to stop talking about the IT,they just need to do so in the correct sub forum:Mass Effect 3 Fan Creation

and yet there have been 3 extensive threads on IT (one still ongoing) in the 'spoilers' section of these forums.  yeah fan creations.. of course..  :whistle:

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I am also only speaking for myself. I am only supporting this game through ME3. I do not have the interest to play a new character. So ill probably purchase the upcoming dlc but not ME4

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I'm sure that some people will try and insist that ME4 will validate IT, with the definition of 'what IT is' morphing as it often has to suit the theory.

Mind you, this will be particularly true if Bioware chooses Destroy as a continuation canon, because the IT-ers who were already going 'every answer but Destroy is wrong' will construe a Destroy-canon as validating that claim.

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Nawl

They are like Alex Mason in BO1

We keep on yelling "IT IS DEAD ITER"

Then their like "NO NO THE FLAWS WERE TELLING ME TO AAAAHHHH I KEEP SEEING THE ****ING FLAWS"
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"WE HAD TO SAVE THE ENDING WE HAD TO SAVE MASS EFFECT

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I will probably always believe IT....I am in a trilogy playthrough atm, and I realized earlier that I don't want any of the endings as they are, so I will just pick destroy and imagine IT as the credits roll.

I find it much better than the alternatives

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pmac_tk421 wrote...
Personal feelings aside(I think the IT is dumb), I don't think they will throw in the towel. They're the really hardcore ending haters. They will never accept any ending Bioware has put out.


LOL, no.  Get your facts right.

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Group think will likely prevent them from ever really abandoning it.

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...
Personal feelings aside(I think the IT is dumb), I don't think they will throw in the towel. They're the really hardcore ending haters. They will never accept any ending Bioware has put out.


LOL, no.  Get your facts right.


Come on Gecko you have to admit that if bioware does a spinoff or prequel for ME4 or canonizes all endings in ME4 and never makes an IT DLC (forever leaving shepard in the rubble) you would be a bit disappointed if not enraged.