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[ElSuperGecko]

Ithurael wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...
Personal feelings aside(I think the IT is dumb), I don't think they will throw in the towel. They're the really hardcore ending haters. They will never accept any ending Bioware has put out.

LOL, no.  Get your facts right.

Come on Gecko you have to admit that if bioware does a spinoff or prequel for ME4 or canonizes all endings in ME4 and never makes an IT DLC (forever leaving shepard in the rubble) you would be a bit disappointed if not enraged.

Absolutely not.  I don't expect ANY further changes to the end sequences as they're currently presented.

And I'm OK with that.  /Garrus

The fact is, Bioware have stated, repeatedly, that they're finished with the endings.  Also that ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.  They may well give us more in-game context for the endings, or information and dialogue for the Catalyst scene and the final decision through upcoming DLC - like they did with Leviathan - but I don't think the end sequences will change at all.

That's beside the point, however.  The post above wasn't talking about disappointment, it was stating that the IT followers hate the endings, and will not accept any ending Bioware has put out.

Which is just an outrageous, malicous lie.

[eddieoctane]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Unlikely. If a sequel, they'll insist ME4 is all a hallucination too, and that ME5 will be the reveal.

If ME4 is a "conventional" sequel, it would kill IT for me, but it would likely also cremate the corpse of an already dead series and launch the ashes into the sun, as well. So either way, I don't care. You won't hear me rambling on about an entire hallucinatory game. 5 minutes is one thing, but an entire day and a half of dreamland is bonkers.

Either IT ends up being used to bridge the gap (nb: the game can still suck, i'd just be inclined to rent it once if this were the case), we get a prequel and people will retain their explanations of the ending, or the sequel cements exactly one of the endings as the real one and now openly craps on the choices. I, for one, hope that BioWare realizes how badly they messed up and try to do something to revitalize the series. If not, well, a certain enlisted cyborg space marine was always more badass than Shepard anyway.

[chmarr]

If the "breath" scene is to be cannon ((and its been confirmed that it IS sheperd)) they would need to mix in IT of sheperd at some point, maybe leviathan took control of shepard as they did the rush for the transport beam and made him think he was up in the citidel.

this could be leviathans big test to see what shepard would do and the image of harbinger taking off was the last "real" image before he slipped into a type of IT hypnosis, what he thinks he see's is real is in fact just a dreamstate coma, leviathan is wondering between themselves what should we do.

they then agreed to see what shepard would choose, let him get up to the citidel, use images, people and locations in his memory to see what he would do, if he picks destroy then they show him in his mind what the outcome may be, if he picked synthasis they show him, control they showed him.

the flaw in the 3 endings is that 2 cants be done because it would actually be impossible as his body would be destryed before his mind can do anything ..... the last is him with a bigass gun.

so for the IT naysayers just think about the endings choices and remember that 2 of them are impossible.

control requires your mind but your destroyed before you can think.

synthisis your body is vaporized by the power beam from the crucible so that in itself is impossible because thats just a power transfer system and does nothing.

but the destroy option gives you a chance os survival because your shooting the hell out of what could be a power node which forces a full on shutdown of all of harbiners systems.


BUT the last option could be the new REAL ending ... rejecting all of the catalyts choices this was a new option and would not have been put in to apeese us, there would have been a reason for it if you think about it.

also remember what edi asked on the normandy, shepard basicly told edi its all up to her and not have someone make the choice for her, so the catylst gives shepard the choices because it does not know what to do, so we reject them and this may cause a cascade failure of ALL of the catylsts and harbingers systems as there now stuck in a recursive algorithm which uses up more and more of the reapers memory cores, over loading there cpu's untill they eventually ((and literly)) crash and shutdown which would then leave them ALL open for a formating and reinstallation of a new operating system ......... maybe linux since we all know they all run on apples IOS as we all know apple want to control the world



but again just THINK about it

[ghost9191]

you cannot simply disprove IT

[Liamv2]

ghost9191 wrote...

you cannot simply disprove IT

You cannot simply prove IT

[simonphoenix]

the IT was born out of disgust and fan outrage at the endings, i admit clevernoob made good points in his documentary but the fact remains that IT was never apart of the devs plans=not canon. fantastic fan fiction nothing more.....

[ghost9191]

Liamv2 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

you cannot simply disprove IT

You cannot simply prove IT

so IT simply is

it is not proven , or disproven, IT just excists

[dorktainian]

simonphoenix wrote...

the IT was born out of disgust and fan outrage at the endings, i admit clevernoob made good points in his documentary but the fact remains that IT was never apart of the devs plans=not canon. fantastic fan fiction nothing more.....

NO IT WASNT.

i amongst other saw Indoctrination from early on.  To dismiss IT is to say the endings were like the remnants of mordins bottom burp.  

[ElSuperGecko]

Liamv2 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

you cannot simply disprove IT

You cannot simply prove IT

Actually, you can do both:  Schrodinger's Cat.

As the endings have been left open to interpretation, until Bioware explicitly state it one way or another, IT can safely be assumed to be both correct and incorrect at the same time.

simonphoenix wrote...
the IT was born out of disgust and fan outrage at the endings, i admit clevernoob made good points in his documentary but the fact remains that IT was never apart of the devs plans=not canon. fantastic fan fiction nothing more.....

LOL, no.  No disgust or outrage involved.  Simply a desire to understand and interpret the story that Bioware gave us.  It's not fan fiction either, because IT simply discusses the implications of what the developers actually put into the game.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 06 décembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[Postman778]

ME3 endings made me abandon the game, that´s the point.

Hey, Felix Baumgartner, look:
Shepard, without a Space Suite or a parachute is falling from a Space Station orbiting earth, entering the atmosphere not burning to death, surviving the impact and the debris of the station falling on him.

Shepard will break several world records:
longest free fall
fastest free fall
hottest free fall
free fall without a parachute

Best ending ever...

[shepskisaac]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

That's beside the point, however.  The post above wasn't talking about disappointment, it was stating that the IT followers hate the endings, and will not accept any ending Bioware has put out.

Which is just an outrageous, malicous lie.

No it's not. IT exists because people didn't like the endings and were desperate to make them all "haha ohh this didn't actually happen! Phew!".

[ElSuperGecko]

IsaacShep wrote...
No it's not. IT exists because people didn't like the endings and were desperate to make them all "haha ohh this didn't actually happen! Phew!".

That's your opinion.  You're entirely welcome to it.

You're wrong, though. 

[shepskisaac]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
No it's not. IT exists because people didn't like the endings and were desperate to make them all "haha ohh this didn't actually happen! Phew!".

That's your opinion.  You're entirely welcome to it.

You're wrong, though. 

I'm not. IT exists because people didn't like the endings and spinned it into something else to justify them.

[TheProtheans]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
No it's not. IT exists because people didn't like the endings and were desperate to make them all "haha ohh this didn't actually happen! Phew!".

That's your opinion.  You're entirely welcome to it.

You're wrong, though. 

No he is right, if you're a follower of IT you don't like the ending.
Because followers of IT think it doesn't make any sense without the use of IT.
Hence they don't like it and pretend it is something it is not.

[ElSuperGecko]

IsaacShep wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
No it's not. IT exists because people didn't like the endings and were desperate to make them all "haha ohh this didn't actually happen! Phew!".

That's your opinion.  You're entirely welcome to it.

You're wrong, though. 

I'm not. IT exists because people didn't like the endings and spinned it into something else to justify them.

You're 100% wrong, i'm afraid.  Maybe you're just trying to project your own opinion onto others?

[Andromidius]

The levels of misinformation in this thread is staggering. It helps to understand the thing you're railing against before you actually rail against it.

The number of people who understand IT who rant about how stupid it is, and yet don't understand what IT actually is is extremely high. I recommend education, or calming down and admitting you don't understand it.

And why do you all think IT'ers 'hate' ME3? Far from it. From what I've seen most of the hate has come from 'literalists'.

Of course, this post will either be ignored or taken out of context. Not sure why I'm wasting my time.

[Andromidius]

IsaacShep wrote...
I'm not. IT exists because people didn't like the endings and spinned it into something else to justify them.

Instead of having a cry about it, declaring Bioware are fraudulent and liars, ranting on and on for months about how much the ending of the game has ruined the entire trilogy, how all that money was wasted, and then declaring anyone who likes the ending as being morons or psychopaths?

And to top it off, you find out some people have an alternative theory on how things actually went down and you then project all that hate onto them instead while not understanding the first thing about them?

Oh yeah, that sounds MUCH better then even that strawman you created right there.

Modifié par Andromidius, 06 décembre 2012 - 03:22 .

[RavenEyry]

I don't need DLC to have an interpretation of the plot of a game I paid for.

[RavenEyry]

TheProtheans wrote...

Because followers of IT think it doesn't make any sense without the use of IT.
Hence they don't like it and pretend it is something it is not.

Doesn't make sense != doesn't like. I love literal synthesis because it's so freaking hilarious.

[Fedi.St]

IT theory (hallucination theory) is already dismissed through leviathan.

Although IT (deception theory) is plausible Starkid tried to convine shepard into synthesis.

[spirosz]

IT will be in Dragon Age 5.

[dorktainian]

how about....IT exists because bioware set out from the outset to splinter the fans into two groups, the ITers and the ending lovers. A socialogical experiment on line to study the reaction of indoctrination on the ending lovers against those who saw the truth?

[TheProtheans]

Andromidius wrote...

The levels of misinformation in this thread is staggering. It helps to understand the thing you're railing against before you actually rail against it.

The number of people who understand IT who rant about how stupid it is, and yet don't understand what IT actually is is extremely high. I recommend education, or calming down and admitting you don't understand it.

And why do you all think IT'ers 'hate' ME3? Far from it. From what I've seen most of the hate has come from 'literalists'.

Of course, this post will either be ignored or taken out of context. Not sure why I'm wasting my time.

You do hate it, the truth is IT isn't going to be what happened because it didn't happen.
You don't even know when or where Shepard got indoctrinated, and why others didn't.
For example if you take Garrus with you on every mission, why doesn't he get indoctrinated too.

ITer's hate it because they can't stand the literal version and pretend it is actually a dream.
At the moment you don't openly say it is terrible because of a serious case of delusion.

[RavenEyry]

Fedi.St wrote...

IT theory (hallucination theory) is already dismissed through leviathan.
 

I don't say this often but LOLWUT?

[simonphoenix]

at the end of the ME3 DLC cycle will we be able to put IT to bed?