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[Ithurael]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

No. IT-ers love the ending because it was a mind-blowing, 4th wall breaking plot twist of unparalleled proportions.

Deal with it.

If I can attempt to clarify

IssacShep is saying that IT'ers love the ending BECAUSE of IT

Doomsday is saying IT'ers love the ending because it IS indoctrination

I think that may clear it up. Thus, the question posed again, if you remove IT and just take the literal interpretation I am more than sure that a majority of IT'ers would be dissatisfied with the ending.

[dorktainian]

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

Modifié par dorktainian, 06 décembre 2012 - 03:52 .

[TheProtheans]

Codename_Code wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

Will people that take the endings literally throw in the towel on the final DLC or when ME4 is released?

Throw in the towel for what? We're not even in the ring.

You sure ?, The topic is the ring and you are in it. Anything but indeference from a literalist proves some doubt, the acceptance that bioware could confirm any side or leave it open.

IT is an interpretation based on details in the official lore, nobody is throwing any towell until the referee calls the winner.

It doesn't look good for your side.
Referee is counting to 0 "10, 9, 8, 7 , 6, 5 ,4, 3, "

Modifié par TheProtheans, 06 décembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

[Seboist]

dorktainian wrote...

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

Lmao, you ITers can't even keep your crap "theory"  consistent. Now you guys don't think he was indoctrinated right before the beam?

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

haha return of trolly troll of trollington.  welcome back.  did you enjoy your fail?

[TheProtheans]

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

haha return of trolly troll of trollington.  welcome back.  did you enjoy your fail?

You do realise you missed the point, IT doesn't explain any of that.
Calling someone a troll for pointing out what you did is silly.

[OdanUrr]

Codename_Code wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

Will people that take the endings literally throw in the towel on the final DLC or when ME4 is released?

Throw in the towel for what? We're not even in the ring.

You sure ?, The topic is the ring and you are in it. Anything but indeference from a literalist proves some doubt, the acceptance that bioware could confirm any side or leave it open.

IT is an interpretation based on details in the official lore, nobody is throwing any towell until the referee calls the winner.

Can that be reversed, I wonder? Does that mean you're having doubts about IT?

[Fedi.St]

RavenEyry wrote...

Fedi.St wrote...

IT theory (hallucination theory) is already dismissed through leviathan.
 

I don't say this often but LOLWUT?

Doesn't  hallucination IT implies that everything after the beam never happened and starkid is harbinger trying to indoctrinate shepard??


Leviathan DLC establishes that the intelligence exists. also establish for good that the problem is synthetics vs organics (although I don';t like it).

IT is a valid interpretation but not necessarily the hallucination theory.

Modifié par Fedi.St, 06 décembre 2012 - 03:59 .

[dorktainian]

Seboist wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

Lmao, you ITers can't even keep your crap "theory"  consistent. Now you guys don't think he was indoctrinated right before the beam?

right from the beginning of the  game onwards thank you.... read up on my replies.  i think you need to do some real reading instead of playing with your crayons.  Check back on my replies.  you know you want to.  Go on give in.

[demersel]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

you really have no other piuctures? 

Modifié par demersel, 06 décembre 2012 - 03:59 .

[dorktainian]

demersel wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

you really have no other piuctures? 

do you have any other coloured crayons?  you know maybe a blue or a green?

Modifié par dorktainian, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:00 .

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

haha return of trolly troll of trollington.  welcome back.  did you enjoy your fail?

Haha. 


dorktainian I sometimes really wonder if you even have a brain. I mean so far every point made against you has flown right over your head. You don't have a single clue what is going on. You appear to be confused. It's quite hilarious. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Seboist wrote...

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

What ever was the problem with "ah yes, Reapers"? "We all lie to ourselves to deal with horror." explains such things very well.

Cerberus has been going down the drain ever since we first heard of them. It's a perfectly logical development. The end of ME2 (TIM wanting to preserve the human Reaper) perfectly foreshadowed the way things would go next.

Reapers could have not shut down the relays because

1. They could not - Keepers no longer respond to the signal, remember?
2. They didn't want to - perhaps they decided that instead of fighting a war of attrition, like in previous cycles, that this time around (because the races are more united than usual) they needed to take out all the galactic fleets in one decisive battle. What better way than to lure them all into a trap on Earth?

Protheans did get 'decapitated'. They were isolated and in disarray. It just took a while for the Reapers to finish the remnants, because of the size of the empire.

I see no contradictions in these things at all.

The -only- problem I have with the writing in ME3 is the appearance of the Rachni queen if you killed her.

Seboist wrote...

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean, sorry.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:01 .

[The Heretic of Time]

demersel wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

you really have no other piuctures? 

I need no other pictures. That one pictures says everything it needs to say.

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

haha return of trolly troll of trollington.  welcome back.  did you enjoy your fail?

Haha. 


dorktainian I sometimes really wonder if you even have a brain. I mean so far every point made against you has flown right over your head. You don't have a single clue what is going on. You appear to be confused. It's quite hilarious. 

 don't deny it....it is you  www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par dorktainian, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:04 .

[apascone]

I'm 24 my grave stone will say IT is real! Even if it is disproven:bandit:

Modifié par apascone, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:09 .

[EnvyTB075]

It'll be turned into headcanon just like the other 90% of the players have done in a different way.

God this is pathetic.

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

haha return of trolly troll of trollington.  welcome back.  did you enjoy your fail?

Haha. 


dorktainian I sometimes really wonder if you even have a brain. I mean so far every point made against you has flown right over your head. You don't have a single clue what is going on. You appear to be confused. It's quite hilarious. 

 don't deny it....it is you  www.youtube.com/watch

Don't deny it, you completely and utterly missed every point made so far and now you try to distract us with your bullcrap to draw the attention away from your own failure.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:07 .

[OdanUrr]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Reapers could have not shut down the relays because

1. They could not - Keepers no longer respond to the signal, remember?
2. They didn't want to - perhaps they decided that instead of fighting a war of attrition, like in previous cycles, that this time around (because the races are more united than usual) they needed to take out all the galactic fleets in one decisive battle. What better way than to lure them all into a trap on Earth?

1) If the Reapers had taken the Citadel, they would have had no need of Keepers.

2) Proof?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Ithurael wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

No. IT-ers love the ending because it was a mind-blowing, 4th wall breaking plot twist of unparalleled proportions.

Deal with it.

If I can attempt to clarify

IssacShep is saying that IT'ers love the ending BECAUSE of IT

Doomsday is saying IT'ers love the ending because it IS indoctrination

I think that may clear it up. Thus, the question posed again, if you remove IT and just take the literal interpretation I am more than sure that a majority of IT'ers would be dissatisfied with the ending.

I understand the distinction.

I answered at the bottom of the previous page.

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

haha return of trolly troll of trollington.  welcome back.  did you enjoy your fail?

Haha. 


dorktainian I sometimes really wonder if you even have a brain. I mean so far every point made against you has flown right over your head. You don't have a single clue what is going on. You appear to be confused. It's quite hilarious. 

 don't deny it....it is you  www.youtube.com/watch

Don't deny it, you completely and utterly missed every point made so far and now you try to distract us with your bullcrap to draw the attention away from your own failure.

you're funny.  are you on tour cos i bet you'd go down virually un-noticed anywhere due to your mediocrity.  Would you like one egg or two with your fail?

[DoomsdayDevice]

OdanUrr wrote...

1) If the Reapers had taken the Citadel, they would have had no need of Keepers.

Unless, you know, the Citadel was closed.

OdanUrr wrote...

2) Proof?

I'm just saying it's possible. If the ending was indeed a trap (which IT claims), then it is very plausible.

[TheProtheans]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Cerberus has been going down the drain ever since we first heard of them. It's a perfectly logical development. The end of ME2 (TIM wanting to preserve the human Reaper) perfectly foreshadowed the way things would go next.

What are you even talking about? And what do you mean going down the drain?

Reapers could have not shut down the relays because

1. They could not - Keepers no longer respond to the signal, remember?
2. They didn't want to - perhaps they decided that instead of fighting a war of attrition, like in previous cycles, that this time around (because the races are more united than usual) they needed to take out all the galactic fleets in one decisive battle. What better way than to lure them all into a trap on Earth?

Yet Sovereign, 1 Reaper was able to lock all the relays down around the citadel keeping the alliance fleet out.
Shepard had to unlock it.
Remember?
Yes let's change our tactics so our enemy can move freely and destroy our capital ships a lot easier.
It's not like we're trying to preserve their races or anything.

It just took a while for the Reapers to finish the remnants, because of the size of the empire.

I see no contradictions in these things at all.

That's not even the point.

I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean, sorry.

I don't even know what the crap you wrote is meant to mean, it doesn't even try to answer it.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:12 .

[eddieoctane]

Liamv2 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

you cannot simply disprove IT

You cannot simply prove IT

Disproving indoctrination theory is harder than proving it. Anything presented as evidence against can be argued as an attempt by the Reapers to hide their ever increasing influence. Depending on how much metagaming is required, even the devs saying it's false could be taken as an attempt to discourage you from loking into it further. But if they say that IT is the real ending, well, that's about the end of the debate.

So yeah, BioWare can simply prove it.