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[DoomsdayDevice]

Yeah, this is pointless.

We'll see how it goes, then let's decide who was delusional and 'in denial'.

[TheProtheans]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Yeah, this is pointless.

We'll see how it goes, then let's decide who was delusional and 'in denial'.

Why wait, I'll pick and collect my winnings now.

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The literal ending outright contradicts the lore. 

Yet you ITers have no issues of other contradictions of lore/continuity like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

Face it, you guys are butthurt that your wish fulfillment power trip came to an abrupt end with the ending and are now desperately trying to cope with it with your "theory".

garbage because everything you've just said is contradicted by one thing in the game.

The breath scene.

Anyone who still thinks everything happening in green or blue ending is real is living in cloud cookoo land.  Understanding red is what we're about.

haha return of trolly troll of trollington.  welcome back.  did you enjoy your fail?

Haha. 


dorktainian I sometimes really wonder if you even have a brain. I mean so far every point made against you has flown right over your head. You don't have a single clue what is going on. You appear to be confused. It's quite hilarious. 

 don't deny it....it is you  www.youtube.com/watch

Don't deny it, you completely and utterly missed every point made so far and now you try to distract us with your bullcrap to draw the attention away from your own failure.

you're funny.  are you on tour cos i bet you'd go down virually un-noticed anywhere due to your mediocrity.  Would you like one egg or two with your fail?

I'm not going to feed the troll (you), instead I'm going to represent the orignal point again:

You claim BioWare are genius writers. So that means you have no issues with all the other contradictions of lore/continuity  that the IT doesn't  explain, like "ah yes reapers", Derperus Sith Empire, Prothean demise being retconned from a surprise decapitation strike to not having embraced diversity, Reapers no longer caring about using the citadel to shut down the relays, etc.

[SinerAthin]

Some of them got heads thick enough to qualify as replacement battering rams for knocking down the doors to a nuclear missile silo.

I'd be surprised if they EVER threw in the towel

[OdanUrr]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

1) If the Reapers had taken the Citadel, they would have had no need of Keepers.

Unless, you know, the Citadel was closed.

OdanUrr wrote...

2) Proof?

I'm just saying it's possible. If the ending was indeed a trap (which IT claims), then it is very plausible.

Does the Council even know how to close the Citadel? I thought that's what Keepers were for.

The problem stems from confusing possibility with proof. For instance, it's possible that Vendetta couldn't detect Shepard's indoctrination. However, the evidence in the games show us that Prothean VIs (Vigil and Vendetta) have always detected indoctrinated agents. We're never shown a Prothean VI actually failing to detect indoctrination. Ergo, the evidence supports the case of Shepard not being indoctrinated and not otherwise.

But I'm repeating myself.

[Seboist]

The IT is just plain hilarious, all this mental gymnastics for a Gears clone where the protagonist's only skills are pulling a trigger and hiding behind cover and whose pilot screws the ship itself.

They seriously think that the same people who gave us this...





Are genius writers. Lmao

Modifié par Seboist, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[anokie]

Where's the towel? Is it an N7 towel? i cant throw one of them in....

[archangel1996]

did anyone of us ITers insulted the mommas of....well of all those guys?

Modifié par archangel1996, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[eddieoctane]

TheProtheans wrote...

Yet Sovereign, 1 Reaper was able to lock all the relays down around the citadel keeping the alliance fleet out.
Shepard had to unlock it.
Remember?

I remember Saren doing everything because the Keepers not longer respond to the Reapers.

[dreamgazer]

This thread is going exactly the way I'd expect, with all the standard players---and all of the same, bitter "I'm smarter than you" comments---from both sides. At least the BSN is consistent after nine months, I suppose.

[The Heretic of Time]

dreamgazer wrote...

This thread is going exactly the way I'd expect, with all the standard players---and all of the same, bitter "I'm smarter than you" comments---from both sides. At least the BSN is consistent after nine months, I suppose.

Seems the BSN has more consistensy than the Mass Effects lore. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:24 .

[dreamgazer]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

This thread is going exactly the way I'd expect, with all the standard players---and all of the same, bitter "I'm smarter than you" comments---from both sides. At least the BSN is consistent after nine months, I suppose.

Seems the BSN has more consistensy than the Mass Effects lore. 

Something like that. (laughs)

[Seboist]

dreamgazer wrote...

This thread is going exactly the way I'd expect, with all the standard players---and all of the same, bitter "I'm smarter than you" comments---from both sides. At least the BSN is consistent after nine months, I suppose.

Good thing you know your limits and know you can't say anything meaningful against the points non-ITers make.

[archangel1996]

Seboist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

This thread is going exactly the way I'd expect, with all the standard players---and all of the same, bitter "I'm smarter than you" comments---from both sides. At least the BSN is consistent after nine months, I suppose.

Good thing you know your limits and know you can't say anything meaningful against the points non-ITers make.

[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

This thread is going exactly the way I'd expect, with all the standard players---and all of the same, bitter "I'm smarter than you" comments---from both sides. At least the BSN is consistent after nine months, I suppose.

Good thing you know your limits and know you can't say anything meaningful against the points non-ITers make.

Eh, I know better than to argue against spite from certain directions, especially the type that persists after nine months---or longer.

[The Heretic of Time]

eddieoctane wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Yet Sovereign, 1 Reaper was able to lock all the relays down around the citadel keeping the alliance fleet out.
Shepard had to unlock it.
Remember?

I remember Saren doing everything because the Keepers not longer respond to the Reapers.

You remember wrong. Sarens job was only to let Sovereign in and give him acces to the Citadel main control unit. Sovereign was supposed to do the rest (unlock the dark-space relay, warp the other reapers in).

[DoomsdayDevice]

OdanUrr wrote...

For instance, it's possible that Vendetta couldn't detect Shepard's indoctrination. However, the evidence in the games show us that Prothean VIs (Vigil and Vendetta) have always detected indoctrinated agents. We're never shown a Prothean VI actually failing to detect indoctrination. Ergo, the evidence supports the case of Shepard not being indoctrinated and not otherwise.

Ah yes, Vendetta. Ever noticed how, when Shepard senses that Prothean beacon in the temple (that Vendetta comes out of), a dreamy Reaper horn sound effect plays as Shepard's hand is drawn to it? Very suspicious. Vendetta could have been compromised.

Also, IT does not claim Shepard is indoctrinated during ME3. (S)he is undergoing a subtle attempt to indoctrinate him/her. The nightmares are the first obvious sign, but (s)he isn't fully indoctrinated until (s)he willingly goes along with Reaper suggestion in the ending.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 06 décembre 2012 - 04:42 .

[Zardoc]

The IT is essentially a religion by now. You don't honestly think they'll stop believing what they want to believe, do you?

[OdanUrr]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Ah yes, Vendetta. Ever noticed how, when Shepard senses that Prothean beacon in the temple (that Vendetta comes out of), a dreamy Reaper horn sound effect plays as Shepard's hand is drawn to it? Very suspicious. Vendetta could have been compromised.

Also, IT does not claim Shepard is indoctrinated during ME3. (S)he is undergoing a subtle attempt to indoctrinate him/her. The nightmares are the first obvious sign, but (s)he isn't fully indoctrinated until (s)he willingly goes along with Reaper suggestion in the ending.

Truth be told, I never did notice whether or not a Reaper horn sounds at that precise moment. Even if it is, what's that evidence of? How do you go from there to, "Vendetta has been compromised"?

Same goes for your second point. We don't know how the Prothean VIs are able to detect indoctrination so we cannot say, "Vendetta couldn't detect Shepard's indoctrination because he wasn't fully indoctrinated at the time." There's simply no evidence of that.

[dreamgazer]

archangel1996 wrote...

(laughs)

It's all the same superiority-complex bullisht from all directions, just another day.  Both sides think the other is stupid and/or delusional, both sides think that the other wouldn't know good writing if it hit them in the face, both sides think that the other doesn't have exposure to other fiction venues ... yadda yadda yadda.  None of it's true, but they sure like to rage against one another about it for some reason.  "For the lulz" or whatever.

I've read the Foundation series and Brave New World; I enjoyed The Witcher 2's writing (gasp!) among other better-written games; I'm well-versed in classic and contemporary sci-fi cinema; and I feel that there are massive flaws in ME3's overall writing. Yet, I also feel that there's interpretive, theme-consistent merit behind indoctrination being in the game's ending, and that it's intended. Go figure.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[archangel1996]

OdanUrr wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Ah yes, Vendetta. Ever noticed how, when Shepard senses that Prothean beacon in the temple (that Vendetta comes out of), a dreamy Reaper horn sound effect plays as Shepard's hand is drawn to it? Very suspicious. Vendetta could have been compromised.

Also, IT does not claim Shepard is indoctrinated during ME3. (S)he is undergoing a subtle attempt to indoctrinate him/her. The nightmares are the first obvious sign, but (s)he isn't fully indoctrinated until (s)he willingly goes along with Reaper suggestion in the ending.

Truth be told, I never did notice whether or not a Reaper horn sounds at that precise moment. Even if it is, what's that evidence of? How do you go from there to, "Vendetta has been compromised"?

Same goes for your second point. We don't know how the Prothean VIs are able to detect indoctrination so we cannot say, "Vendetta couldn't detect Shepard's indoctrination because he wasn't fully indoctrinated at the time." There's simply no evidence of that.

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)
Yeah, in From The Ashes we see that the protheans lost beacuse of the indoctrinated agent of the Reper...but they had that tecnology...why didn't they use it? Maybe it didn't work too well....but obviously i am wrong, in fact this is jsut a logical thought

[archangel1996]

dreamgazer wrote...
(laughs)

It's all the same superiority-complex bullisht from all directions, just another day.  Both sides think the other is stupid and/or delusional, both sides think that the other wouldn't know good writing if it hit them in the face, both sides think that the other doesn't have exposure to other fiction venues ... yadda yadda yadda.  None of it's true, but they sure like to rage against one another about it for some reason.  "For the lulz" or whatever.

I've read the Foundation series and Brave New World; I enjoyed The Witcher 2's writing (gasp!) among other better-written games; I'm well-versed in classic and contemporary sci-fi cinema; and I feel that there are massive flaws in ME3's overall writing. Yet, I also feel that there's interpretive, theme-consistent merit behind indoctrination being in the game's ending, and that it's intended. Go figure.

I have the school to worry about, no time to go bersker in a forum
But I dislike the " you all are haters, you all are stupid, you all are paranoic ecc ecc"

Modifié par archangel1996, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:08 .

[MegumiAzusa]

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)

No.

[archangel1996]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)

No.

Epic fail then, clear and simple
But, this doesn't change what remains of my post

Modifié par archangel1996, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:20 .

[MegumiAzusa]

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)

No.

Epic fail then, clear and simple
But, this doesn't change what remains of my post

Never thought they could developed the technology by the time it was futile? It is even stated ingame "it was later"

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:24 .