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[archangel1996]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)

No.

Epic fail then, clear and simple
But, this doesn't change what remains of my post

Never thought they could developed the technology by the time it was futile? It is even stated ingame "it was later"

After, at least, 100 years of fighting the reapers they didn't develop the tecnology to don't lose so much men...protheans but they developed it when it was too late? The crucible were obviously made before all the Vigil's thing, so why didn't the Crucible's scientists gave that tecnology to the army?

[ElSuperGecko]

LOL @ people talking about IT'ers hating the game and hating the endings. The only hate on this thread appears to be the spite, anger and vitriol directed at IT supporters.

Hater's gonna hate. Methinks these people doth protest too much.

[TheProtheans]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

LOL @ people talking about IT'ers hating the game and hating the endings. The only hate on this thread appears to be the spite, anger and vitriol directed at IT supporters.

Hater's gonna hate. Methinks these people doth protest too much.

At least they actually protested and didn't support Bioware by having delusions.
So it is funny you talk about protesting.

[archangel1996]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

LOL @ people talking about IT'ers hating the game and hating the endings. The only hate on this thread appears to be the spite, anger and vitriol directed at IT supporters.

Hater's gonna hate. Methinks these people doth protest too much.

shhhhhh, this makes sense

[OdanUrr]

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)
Yeah, in From The Ashes we see that the protheans lost beacuse of the indoctrinated agent of the Reper...but they had that tecnology...why didn't they use it? Maybe it didn't work too well....but obviously i am wrong, in fact this is jsut a logical thought

To your first point, I ask two questions: is that sound part of the indoctrination process and is it exclusive to the indoctrination process? I honestly don't know, I haven't read the comics.

In the case of your second point, a few things. First, I wouldn't use a (paid) DLC to justify anything that's so important to the main plot. Second, you're assuming the Protheans already had the technology to detect indoctrination at the time mentioned by Vendetta/Javik. We don't know that, the more logical assumption is that they developed the technology after they learned what it was and how it could turn their own into sleeper agents (in other words, after they had some bodies to experiment upon). In any event, the evidence we do have shows both Vigil and Vendetta successfully detecting indoctrinated agents.

[M Hedonist]

I've always been saying, IT will even live on if they stop making ME games; they will wait for the big reveal to come in the next DA game, instead.

[archangel1996]

OdanUrr wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)
Yeah, in From The Ashes we see that the protheans lost beacuse of the indoctrinated agent of the Reper...but they had that tecnology...why didn't they use it? Maybe it didn't work too well....but obviously i am wrong, in fact this is jsut a logical thought

To your first point, I ask two questions: is that sound part of the indoctrination process and is it exclusive to the indoctrination process? I honestly don't know, I haven't read the comics.

In the case of your second point, a few things. First, I wouldn't use a (paid) DLC to justify anything that's so important to the main plot. Second, you're assuming the Protheans already had the technology to detect indoctrination at the time mentioned by Vendetta/Javik. We don't know that, the more logical assumption is that they developed the technology after they learned what it was and how it could turn their own into sleeper agents (in other words, after they had some bodies to experiment upon). In any event, the evidence we do have shows both Vigil and Vendetta successfully detecting indoctrinated agents.

Yeah, don't use DLC
My post at the top of the page, my answer

Modifié par archangel1996, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:37 .

[eddieoctane]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Yet Sovereign, 1 Reaper was able to lock all the relays down around the citadel keeping the alliance fleet out.
Shepard had to unlock it.
Remember?

I remember Saren doing everything because the Keepers not longer respond to the Reapers.

You remember wrong. Sarens job was only to let Sovereign in and give him acces to the Citadel main control unit. Sovereign was supposed to do the rest (unlock the dark-space relay, warp the other reapers in).

And if Saren has succeded in giving Sovereign access, the series would have ended right there. Since the reaper did not yeat have access, he did not have the opportunity to do anything. Ergo, Saren as the culprit.

[archangel1996]

Sauruz wrote...

I've always been saying, IT will even live on if they stop making ME games; they will wait for the big reveal to come in the next DA game, instead.

Yep, at Christmas i will be here for the IT
IT and ME are the centre of my life
Not kidding eh

[MegumiAzusa]

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)

No.

Epic fail then, clear and simple
But, this doesn't change what remains of my post

Never thought they could developed the technology by the time it was futile? It is even stated ingame "it was later"

After, at least, 100 years of fighting the reapers they didn't develop the tecnology to don't lose so much men...protheans but they developed it when it was too late? The crucible were obviously made before all the Vigil's thing, so why didn't the Crucible's scientists gave that tecnology to the army?

It is never stated who developed the technology, but it is clear that the technology was accessible by any Prothean as Thessia is about on the opposite side of the Galaxy as Ilos.
Then again as I told you before it states it was later found out, meaning the Crucible project was already successfully sabotaged, and too late for a conventional victory.

[ElSuperGecko]

TheProtheans wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

LOL @ people talking about IT'ers hating the game and hating the endings. The only hate on this thread appears to be the spite, anger and vitriol directed at IT supporters.

Hater's gonna hate. Methinks these people doth protest too much.

At least they actually protested and didn't support Bioware by having delusions.  So it is funny you talk about protesting.

Yes yes yes, we get it, you're an entitled whiner who thinks Bioware owes you something and are upset that other people actually enjoy the game, we get it.

As I said, these people doth protest too much.

[archangel1996]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)

No.

Epic fail then, clear and simple
But, this doesn't change what remains of my post

Never thought they could developed the technology by the time it was futile? It is even stated ingame "it was later"

After, at least, 100 years of fighting the reapers they didn't develop the tecnology to don't lose so much men...protheans but they developed it when it was too late? The crucible were obviously made before all the Vigil's thing, so why didn't the Crucible's scientists gave that tecnology to the army?

It is never stated who developed the technology, but it is clear that the technology was accessible by any Prothean as Thessia is about on the opposite side of the Galaxy as Ilos.
Then again as I told you before it states it was later found out, meaning the Crucible project was already successfully sabotaged, and too late for a conventional victory.

? Vendetta is modeled after Pashek Vran, the overseer of the Crucible

[MegumiAzusa]

OdanUrr wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)
Yeah, in From The Ashes we see that the protheans lost beacuse of the indoctrinated agent of the Reper...but they had that tecnology...why didn't they use it? Maybe it didn't work too well....but obviously i am wrong, in fact this is jsut a logical thought

To your first point, I ask two questions: is that sound part of the indoctrination process and is it exclusive to the indoctrination process? I honestly don't know, I haven't read the comics.

In the case of your second point, a few things. First, I wouldn't use a (paid) DLC to justify anything that's so important to the main plot. Second, you're assuming the Protheans already had the technology to detect indoctrination at the time mentioned by Vendetta/Javik. We don't know that, the more logical assumption is that they developed the technology after they learned what it was and how it could turn their own into sleeper agents (in other words, after they had some bodies to experiment upon). In any event, the evidence we do have shows both Vigil and Vendetta successfully detecting indoctrinated agents.

The first question: no.

For the other: the technology did exist for Javik, but not at the time they tried to build the Crucible.

[MegumiAzusa]

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)

No.

Epic fail then, clear and simple
But, this doesn't change what remains of my post

Never thought they could developed the technology by the time it was futile? It is even stated ingame "it was later"

After, at least, 100 years of fighting the reapers they didn't develop the tecnology to don't lose so much men...protheans but they developed it when it was too late? The crucible were obviously made before all the Vigil's thing, so why didn't the Crucible's scientists gave that tecnology to the army?

It is never stated who developed the technology, but it is clear that the technology was accessible by any Prothean as Thessia is about on the opposite side of the Galaxy as Ilos.
Then again as I told you before it states it was later found out, meaning the Crucible project was already successfully sabotaged, and too late for a conventional victory.

? Vendetta is modeled after Pashek Vran, the overseer of the Crucible

Yes, but you don't know when or if it was upgraded with the technology later on. The thing you can know is they hadn't have the technology when they were trying to construct the Crucible.

[archangel1996]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)
Yeah, in From The Ashes we see that the protheans lost beacuse of the indoctrinated agent of the Reper...but they had that tecnology...why didn't they use it? Maybe it didn't work too well....but obviously i am wrong, in fact this is jsut a logical thought

To your first point, I ask two questions: is that sound part of the indoctrination process and is it exclusive to the indoctrination process? I honestly don't know, I haven't read the comics.

In the case of your second point, a few things. First, I wouldn't use a (paid) DLC to justify anything that's so important to the main plot. Second, you're assuming the Protheans already had the technology to detect indoctrination at the time mentioned by Vendetta/Javik. We don't know that, the more logical assumption is that they developed the technology after they learned what it was and how it could turn their own into sleeper agents (in other words, after they had some bodies to experiment upon). In any event, the evidence we do have shows both Vigil and Vendetta successfully detecting indoctrinated agents.

The first question: no.

For the other: the technology did exist for Javik, but not at the time they tried to build the Crucible.

You know this doesn't make any sense? Javik's base was destroyed because of the Indoctrinated agents

[archangel1996]

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Yes, but you don't know when or if it was upgraded with the technology later on. The thing you can know is they hadn't have the technology when they were trying to construct the Crucible.

Good answer <_<

Modifié par archangel1996, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:46 .

[MegumiAzusa]

archangel1996 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

A Reaper makes that sound during an indoctrination attempt(you can read this in one of the comics)
Yeah, in From The Ashes we see that the protheans lost beacuse of the indoctrinated agent of the Reper...but they had that tecnology...why didn't they use it? Maybe it didn't work too well....but obviously i am wrong, in fact this is jsut a logical thought

To your first point, I ask two questions: is that sound part of the indoctrination process and is it exclusive to the indoctrination process? I honestly don't know, I haven't read the comics.

In the case of your second point, a few things. First, I wouldn't use a (paid) DLC to justify anything that's so important to the main plot. Second, you're assuming the Protheans already had the technology to detect indoctrination at the time mentioned by Vendetta/Javik. We don't know that, the more logical assumption is that they developed the technology after they learned what it was and how it could turn their own into sleeper agents (in other words, after they had some bodies to experiment upon). In any event, the evidence we do have shows both Vigil and Vendetta successfully detecting indoctrinated agents.

The first question: no.

For the other: the technology did exist for Javik, but not at the time they tried to build the Crucible.

You know this doesn't make any sense? Javik's base was destroyed because of the Indoctrinated agents

Did you sleep while playing From Ashes? It's an all out assault.

[Zardoc]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

LOL @ people talking about IT'ers hating the game and hating the endings. The only hate on this thread appears to be the spite, anger and vitriol directed at IT supporters.

Hater's gonna hate. Methinks these people doth protest too much.

At least they actually protested and didn't support Bioware by having delusions.  So it is funny you talk about protesting.

Yes yes yes, we get it, you're an entitled whiner who thinks Bioware owes you something and are upset that other people actually enjoy the game, we get it.

As I said, these people doth protest too much.

lol

[OdanUrr]

archangel1996 wrote...

Yeah, don't use DLC
My post at the top of the page, my answer

Why should I have to use DLC to explain parts of the main plot? My personal opinion, which I've stated time and again, is that the core game must be able to stand on its own as far as the main plot is concerned. DLC can expand on the lore and the universe but it mustn't be the only way we'll ever learn about the main plot. That's one of the reasons why the Crucible fails in ME3 (more on that here).

As for your "post at the top of the page," there's no evidence there. Your argument, if I understand it correctly, is, "It makes no sense that they would take so long to develop a technology that would've obviously helped them, ergo, they must have had it all along."

[archangel1996]

[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...


You know this doesn't make any sense? Javik's base was destroyed because of the Indoctrinated agents[/quote]
Did you sleep while playing From Ashes? It's an all out assault.[/quote]

Did you? the Reapers break the Protheans' line beacuse of the agents

[archangel1996]

OdanUrr wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

Yeah, don't use DLC
My post at the top of the page, my answer

Why should I have to use DLC to explain parts of the main plot? My personal opinion, which I've stated time and again, is that the core game must be able to stand on its own as far as the main plot is concerned. DLC can expand on the lore and the universe but it mustn't be the only way we'll ever learn about the main plot. That's one of the reasons why the Crucible fails in ME3 (more on that here).

As for your "post at the top of the page," there's no evidence there. Your argument, if I understand it correctly, is, "It makes no sense that they would take so long to develop a technology that would've obviously helped them, ergo, they must have had it all along."

I see, you ignored all the DLC parts of the post

Modifié par archangel1996, 06 décembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

IT'ers saying they liked the ending is such crap.

If you do not like the ending without Indoc-headcanon, you do NOT like the ending.

It's that simple.

[macrocarl]

Well, IT is an interpretation of events that happen in game in ME3. So moving forward if something in game points away from IT and has no room for interpretation or flat out 'splains everything otherwise then yeah. Until then, it's a solid interpretation of events.

[dreamgazer]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

IT'ers saying they liked the ending is such crap.

If you do not like the ending without Indoc-headcanon, you do NOT like the ending.

It's that simple.

I like how the ending forces the player to consider and reevaluate the story's themes, the feasibility of the options, and the psychology of the Catalyst---which plays into literal, non-literal, and indoctrination viewpoints. 

Not that simple. 

[Zardoc]

macrocarl wrote...

Well, IT is an interpretation of events that happen in game in ME3. So moving forward if something in game points away from IT and has no room for interpretation or flat out 'splains everything otherwise then yeah. Until then, it's a solid interpretation of events.

IT is based on circumstantial evidence at best. Nothing even remotely solid.