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[esper]

Deadmac wrote...

esper wrote...
How? Seriously, how?
Let's take Leliana, how did her bisexuality infer with her way of courting the male warden.
How did Merrill's equal like for femHawke affect her way of flirting with Male Hawke?

She was written by a straight male perspective, which was geared towards breaking taboo sexual steriotypes. If the character was written by a bisexual female, you would have seen something very much different.

Ermm.... You will have to make it more specific what was straight white male about those two. (And I am not sure if you are talking about Leliana or Merrill here),

Because your argument is still not making sense.

[JediMaster2000]

Celtic Latino wrote...

Someone along the lines of Aveline or Samara. Aveline listens to you and checks in on you, not putting too much of herself into every conversation and Samara is genuinely intelligent and wise, not putting her personal problems aside from her loyalty mission (which was more out of necessity due to her code, the fact Morinth was her daughter was a convenience).

Both women are tough and no-nonsense without being an ice queen (Morrigan, Miranda) or a tsundere (Morrigan to a point, Jack, Bastila, Jaheira, Viconia, Isabella to a degree). I get tired of the "I'm so strong yet I'm really insecure and broken" trope with female LIs (overdone imho). I'd be quite happy with a secure female LI whether she's endured quite a bit (as did Aveline and Samara for losing family and sacrificing much) or basically is a fresh slate with resolve. (Mind you, insecurity is indeed a good tool for storytelling but I think it's been overdone and rehashed to the point where not having such a romanceable character with bittersweet baggage may just be a welcome addition).

Definitely love the idea of a female knight (I pitched this idea in a general female romance thread) who embodies a traditional paladin, adheres to a code BUT...understands the need for the greater good and isn't held back by petty devotions.

I agree about the type of female. Samara was a rather strong character with a great sense of purpose. Although I thought Talia and her generalpersonality was cute. She wasn't overly sexual which was nice but she dropped hints and was pretty smart which was a turn on. Do not go for someone who is hyper-emotional, that just makes for an annoying romance. 

I would like to see a Wood Elf who is very much older in Elf years but appears same age as Inquistor. Let have her a somewhat troubled past, but don't let it rule who she is. It has an important role to play but she is a drama queen about it. Let her be like a McGyver of the Elfish people. Her major flaw can be that she has always had to be in charge and on the lookout for her people that she doesn't know how to relax and let someone else take charge. 

[JediMaster2000]

Is not a drama queen. I mean. Sorry.

[Dhiro]

Deadmac wrote...

esper wrote...
How? Seriously, how?
Let's take Leliana, how did her bisexuality infer with her way of courting the male warden.
How did Merrill's equal like for femHawke affect her way of flirting with Male Hawke?

She was written by a straight male perspective, which was geared towards breaking taboo sexual steriotypes. If the character was written by a bisexual female, you would have seen something very different.

Both Merrill and Leliana were written by women.

[Masha Potato]

Kajagoogoo3 wrote...

 A female version of Alistair would be nice. Closest thing we got to that is Isabela.

/giggle

[Deadmac]

JediMaster2000 wrote...

Is not a drama queen. I mean. Sorry.

...and, I have been with two bisexual females. Within my particular experiences, while comparing them to my other relationships, I found them to be more agressive. Even though bisexual females do seek similar goals, they are more agressive than straight females. Its rather weird.

Or, the straight females I have been with have adobpted more traditional gender roles.

*shrugs*

[esper]

Deadmac wrote...

JediMaster2000 wrote...

Is not a drama queen. I mean. Sorry.

...and, I have been with two bisexual females. Within my particular experiences, while comparing them to my other relationships, I found them to be more agressive. Even though bisexual females do seek similar goals, they are more agressive than straight females. Its rather weird.

Or, the straight females I have been with have adobpted more traditional gender roles.

*shrugs*

Rather, I thjnk it is more likely that you for some reason appeal to certain types off women.
Bisexuality have as many different personality archetypes, just like every other sexuality. The changes are that the one you have been with have been pretty open about their sexuality thus comming off as aggressive, but I can gurantee you that not every bi-orientated girl likes to discuss her sexuality or be aggressive.

[hoorayforicecream]

Deadmac wrote...

JediMaster2000 wrote...

Is not a drama queen. I mean. Sorry.

...and, I have been with two bisexual females. Within my particular experiences, while comparing them to my other relationships, I found them to be more agressive. Even though bisexual females do seek similar goals, they are more agressive than straight females. Its rather weird.

Or, the straight females I have been with have adobpted more traditional gender roles.

*shrugs*

I've eaten at two different Chinese restaurants. That makes my statements about Chinese food apply to all Chinese cuisine.

[Medhia Nox]

@hoorayforicecream: Interesting that that's not what he said.

Several times he makes concessions for his experiences.

[hoorayforicecream]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@hoorayforicecream: Interesting that that's not what he said.

Several times he makes concessions for his experiences.

Oh? I only counted one, where he said:

Within my particular experiences, while comparing them to my other relationships, I found them to be more agressive.

With a sample size of two, I find it hard to derive any sort of reasonable conclusion about anything, let alone commonalities based on sexual orientation among something as varied as the personalities of people.

But by all means, I'm sure you can quote the posts where he makes the multiple concessions for his experience.

[HTTP 404]

I would romance Death....

[Medhia Nox]

@hoorayforicecream: I actually see that as three. He could have just said: "Within my experience... " or " I found them to be more... " or "Comparing them to my other relationships...."

Anyway - hardly worth discussing - chips on shoulders don't easily come off.

[LTD]

I want to LI my dialogue wheel and escape riding her. So many ways I want to spin her around. And that hole in the middle omg. I'm wearing nothing underneath my trenchcoat btw.

[Lenimph]

Da fudge at the guy calling bisexual women more aggressive?

Actually no I can't judge him because the 2 guys I've been with sexually have been subpar at doing sex so I'm just going to assume all guys aren't good at the sex from now on.

Yep
Logical conclusion right dar, no one is going to convince me otherwise.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

simfamSP wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

The kind with domestic responsibilities, like cooking, cleaning, etc. Less of a dangerous relationship that way.

I want to bang some Orlesian chick.

Not my grandmother.

Saying only old people should have domestic responsibilities is offensive to women.

Why would you realistically take your LI somewhere knowing you couldn't always protect her? Companions are known to be able to die in BW games.

[Maria Caliban]

Deadmac wrote...

She was written by a straight male perspective, which was geared towards breaking taboo sexual steriotypes. If the character was written by a bisexual female, you would have seen something very different.

What do you imagine she'd be like if written by a bisexual woman as opposed to a straight man?

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Why would you realistically take your LI somewhere knowing you couldn't always protect her?

For Leliana: Stopping the Blight is more important than protecting one person. If she's willing to put her life in danger and has the skills my Warden needs, my Warden is going to make use of that. LI or not.

For Isabela: If she's not with Hawke, she's doing something just as dangerous somewhere else.

For Liara: We're trying to stop the Reapers from destroying galactic civilization. Though I think there's a good argument for Liara not being on the front lines as her role as the Shadow Broker is ultimately more useful. (Or could have been if they'd written it that way.)

For Silk Fox: She's not actually your love interest until after you come back from the dead. 80% of the game, it's not an issue.

Bastila: One of the few Jedi left, and for most of the game the PC would consider her more experienced than them.

Viconia: She's a drow. Unless I lock her away from human sight, she'll always be in danger on the surface. Much better she hangs around with her group of well armed friends.

See... lots of reasons.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 décembre 2012 - 06:20 .

[Wulfram]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Why would you realistically take your LI somewhere knowing you couldn't always protect her? Companions are known to be able to die in BW games.

Because you respect them as independent people, and aren't going to deny them the right to fight for the cause just because you're sleeping with them.

(Admittedly this is less true when you take into account the arbitrary party size limit.  But the arbitrary party size limit isn't something that can be rationalised in game.)

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

She was written by a straight male perspective, which was geared towards breaking taboo sexual steriotypes. If the character was written by a bisexual female, you would have seen something very different.

What do you imagine she'd be like if written by a bisexual woman as opposed to a straight man?

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Why would you realistically take your LI somewhere knowing you couldn't always protect her?

For Leliana: Stopping the Blight is more important than protecting one person. If she's willing to put her life in danger and has the skills my Warden needs, my Warden is going to make use of that. LI or not.

For Isabela: If she's not with Hawke, she's doing something just as dangerous somewhere else.

For Liara: We're trying to stop the Reapers from destroying galactic civilization. Though I think there's a good argument for Liara not being on the front lines as her role as the Shadow Broker is ultimately more useful. (Or could have been if they'd written it that way.)

For Silk Fox: She's not actually your love interest until after you come back from the dead. 80% of the game, it's not an issue.

Bastila: One of the few Jedi left, and for most of the game the PC would consider her more experienced than them.

Viconia: She's a drow. Unless I lock her away from human sight, she'll always be in danger on the surface. Much better she hangs around with her group of well armed friends.

See... lots of reasons.

That's why I've been saying that BioWare should create characters who don't have responsibilities like that. Someone who might stay at camp, etc. like that red-haired dude from Mass Effect.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Wulfram wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Why would you realistically take your LI somewhere knowing you couldn't always protect her? Companions are known to be able to die in BW games.

Because you respect them as independent people, and aren't going to deny them the right to fight for the cause just because you're sleeping with them.

(Admittedly this is less true when you take into account the arbitrary party size limit.  But the arbitrary party size limit isn't something that can be rationalised in game.)

So if someone is drafted or enlists during wartime, he should be comfortable taking his wife or spouse with him because they're independent people?

[Wulfram]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

So if someone is drafted or enlists during wartime, he should be comfortable taking his wife or spouse with him because they're independent people?

I think if their spouse is an exceptionally talented combatant who can contribute significantly to the cause, and who wishes to be there, then expecting them to stay out of the fight would be selfish.

Deciding not to enter into a relationship with your comrades in arms is reasonable enough, however.  Though it's not so easy to control ones heart.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Wulfram wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

So if someone is drafted or enlists during wartime, he should be comfortable taking his wife or spouse with him because they're independent people?

I think if their spouse is an exceptionally talented combatant who can contribute significantly to the cause, and who wishes to be there, then expecting them to stay out of the fight would be selfish.

Deciding not to enter into a relationship with your comrades in arms is reasonable enough, however.  Though it's not so easy to control ones heart.

Huh, well, it might be selfish -- but, let's be honest: provided that both had the choice between enlisting and fighting in the same location or not, a guy would be insane to bring his wife along, regardless of how skilled she is.

[esper]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

So if someone is drafted or enlists during wartime, he should be comfortable taking his wife or spouse with him because they're independent people?

I think if their spouse is an exceptionally talented combatant who can contribute significantly to the cause, and who wishes to be there, then expecting them to stay out of the fight would be selfish.

Deciding not to enter into a relationship with your comrades in arms is reasonable enough, however.  Though it's not so easy to control ones heart.

Huh, well, it might be selfish -- but, let's be honest: provided that both had the choice between enlisting and fighting in the same location or not, a guy would be insane to bring his wife along, regardless of how skilled she is.

Actually I would say that the wife would be insane to bring the man along, since he obviously is not capable of letting go of useless patriarchical notions, and thus would let his emotion get in the way of the mission.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

esper wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

So if someone is drafted or enlists during wartime, he should be comfortable taking his wife or spouse with him because they're independent people?

I think if their spouse is an exceptionally talented combatant who can contribute significantly to the cause, and who wishes to be there, then expecting them to stay out of the fight would be selfish.

Deciding not to enter into a relationship with your comrades in arms is reasonable enough, however.  Though it's not so easy to control ones heart.

Huh, well, it might be selfish -- but, let's be honest: provided that both had the choice between enlisting and fighting in the same location or not, a guy would be insane to bring his wife along, regardless of how skilled she is.

Actually I would say that the wife would be insane to bring the man along, since he obviously is not capable of letting go of useless patriarchical notions, and thus would let his emotion get in the way of the mission.

I'm thinking most men wouldn't... to be honest, it sounds kinda messed up.

[esper]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

esper wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

So if someone is drafted or enlists during wartime, he should be comfortable taking his wife or spouse with him because they're independent people?

I think if their spouse is an exceptionally talented combatant who can contribute significantly to the cause, and who wishes to be there, then expecting them to stay out of the fight would be selfish.

Deciding not to enter into a relationship with your comrades in arms is reasonable enough, however.  Though it's not so easy to control ones heart.

Huh, well, it might be selfish -- but, let's be honest: provided that both had the choice between enlisting and fighting in the same location or not, a guy would be insane to bring his wife along, regardless of how skilled she is.

Actually I would say that the wife would be insane to bring the man along, since he obviously is not capable of letting go of useless patriarchical notions, and thus would let his emotion get in the way of the mission.

I'm thinking most men wouldn't... to be honest, it sounds kinda messed up.

Well in that case, he needs to stay home since he is the one not emotionally ready. If he cannot put those notions behind him, how do he knows that a cunning enemy wouldn't try to use that against him?

Further our PC's aren't always soldiers. Even if they have an ordinary wife the chances are that they still are in danger. Since the pc often is noteable enough tha the enemy would check up on them, and enemy might still target an home living wife simply to harm the pc. With the life our PC typical lives the only way to 'protect your woman' would be to never fall in love with anyone in the first place.

[Medhia Nox]

@Esper: If you think killing someone requires you to be "emotionally ready" - it's lucky you have fantasy games to be a heroine in.

Killing people takes the opposite of emotions.

But - I imagine you want "healthy emotional expressions" - yeah, again - fantasy for a long term combatant.