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[Sparbiter]

I think three groups will suffice for this exercise.

Gold Tier (the best powers)
-example: snap freeze. Running a Paladin without it is almost unheard of, it primes, detonates, debuffs, slows.

Silver Tier (Secondary support powers: very useful in some situations, but needs help to deal with some situations)
-example: Overload. Extremely effective at detonating and shield stripping. Struggles against armor.

Bronze Tier (Niche powers that are only useful in certain situations)
-example: These could be silver tier powers, but they are simply outclassed in their role by a silver tier power.

Note: ALL powers listed are usable powers. If they are currently bugged to the point of being unusable or just bad, I won't include them at all. If a power is in Bronze, it doesn't make it bad, just situational and not a "must-spec-into" power.



I think I can start us off with the obvious ones, so I can just get us a starting point. Also keep in mind that the list is subject to change.....

GOLD TIER
Snap Freeze
Barrier
Annihilation Field
Shield Boost
Tactical Cloak
Biotic Charge
Reave
Marksman
Stimpack
Dark Channel
Adrenaline Rush


Silver Tier
Overload
Cryo Blast
Stasis
Phase Disruptor
Throw
Nova

Bronze Tier

Pull
Shockwave

I've obviously left most off. Does anyone have a suggestion for a power ot be added to a certain tier? It's helpful if you give an explanation of "why".

Currently un-tiered powers examples:
Singularity
Warp
Submission Net
Blade Armor
Ballistic Blades
Havoc Strike
Carnage
Tech Armor
Decoy
Combat Drone
Supply Pylon
Concussive Shot
Incinerate
Sabotage
Shadow Strike
Flamer
Energy Drain
Devastator Mode
Hawk Missile Launcher
All Grenade Powers


EDIT: Changes list
Added Marksman to GT
Added Adrenaline Rush to GT
Moved Throw from BT to ST
Added Stasis to ST
Added Shockwave to BT
Added Dark Channel to GT
Added Stimpack to GT
Added Reave to GT
Added Biotic Charge to GT

Modifié par Sparbiter, 07 décembre 2012 - 12:18 .

[Storm-Reaver]

Sparbiter wrote...

I think three groups will suffice for this exercise.

Gold Tier (the best powers)
-example: snap freeze. Running a Paladin without it is almost unheard of, it primes, detonates, debuffs, slows.

Silver Tier (Secondary support powers: very useful in some situations, but needs help to deal with some situations)
-example: Overload. Extremely effective at detonating and shield stripping. Struggles against armor.

Bronze Tier (Niche powers that are only useful in certain situations)
-example: Throw: Effective at one thing, detonations. While marginally useful in other situations, using throw without a priming power is often very innefective.



I think I can start us off with the obvious ones, so I can just get us a starting point. Also keep in mind that the list is subject to change.....

GOLD TIER
Snap Freeze
Barrier
Annihilation Field
Shield Boost
Tactical Cloak

Silver Tier
Overload
Cryo Blast
Phase Disruptor
Nova

Bronze Tier
Throw
Pull

I've obviously left most off. Does anyone have a suggestion for a power ot be added to a certain tier? It's helpful if you give an explanation of "why".

 

BUGGED PIT
Snap Freeze Top tier? You gotta be kidding me.

If they fix it, noone will ever touch SF again. (If they remove detonator part, ofc) 

[PsychoticBiotic]

LOL, Throw in Bronze tier. This thread is a bad idea.

[xtorma]

MM for gold.
TC for gold
AR for gold

Imho

[mumba]

Why is throw in bronze?

[Storm-Reaver]

Mumba1511 wrote...

Why is throw in bronze?

Because OP is just bad <_<

[Sparbiter]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

LOL, Throw in Bronze tier. This thread is a bad idea.

According to the parameters I set in the OP, it belongs there. I'm open to an argument for moving it, as I said.

If you don't like the thread, there are several options:

1. You can ignore it and let it die. I won't bump it if it gets little attention.
2. We can all go back to ****ing about nerfs and buffs, which is a sad state I won't be taking part in.
3. You can find me IRL and assassinate me.

[Zaixx]

Come on Throw is silver not bronze

[ZombieGambit]

Top Tier:
Tactical Cloak

Low Tier:
Everything Else

[Storm-Reaver]

Sparbiter wrote...



3. You can find me IRL and assassinate me.

Who the hell cares about you? If we killed all the morons, who post here, BSN would be closed for being Criminal Organization. 

[Sparbiter]

Zaixx wrote...

Come on Throw is silver not bronze

I'm open for an argument to move it, as I said. It has one role in this game, to detonate. It can't thrive without a primer.

If anyone makes an actual well thought out argument as to why it should be upped, I'm all ears.

[RoundedPlanet88]

Why is anhiallation field in gold tier? Its only useful in CQC, which would imply silver tier. Throw is very good iin certain situations, as a detonator, and agaisnt unarmored enemies, should also be silver tier. And cryo blast......really? in silver tier? definatly a bronze tier ability

[St3v3H]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

LOL, Throw in Bronze tier. This thread is a bad idea.

I had a Gold match with everyone only using throw and nothing else. It was fun and we had a full extraction.

Modifié par St3v3H, 06 décembre 2012 - 10:48 .

[Malanek]

Sparbiter wrote...

According to the parameters I set in the OP, it belongs there. I'm open to an argument for moving it, as I said.

No it really doesn't. Firstly, triggering a detonation is so common it should not be considered a niche. Secondly, spamming Throw is perfectly good just to control and kill mooks. It's a good power with extremely low recharge.


I would be interested to know what tier people think Stasis should be in.

Modifié par Malanek999, 06 décembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[Sparbiter]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Why is anhiallation field in gold tier? Its only useful in CQC, which would imply silver tier. Throw is very good iin certain situations, as a detonator, and agaisnt unarmored enemies, should also be silver tier. And cryo blast......really? in silver tier? definatly a bronze tier ability

For AF, I would reason that it has its uses against multiple factions, as well as priming, ability to detonate itself, shield drain, speed increase evolution... too useful for silver, imo.

Cryo Blast, I'm uncertain on. It's clearly inferior to snap freeze as a primer, it doesn't detonate, and it deals no damage. However, it has excellent armor debuffing and has the ability to freeze incapacitate more than one enemy.


For the record, I don't consider bronze tier useless at all. That's a restatement, but I guess it had to be restated.

[Storm-Reaver]

Malanek999 wrote...





I would be interested to know what tier people think Stasis should be in.

Lowest. Killing Phantoms and units that are one-shotted without wasting CD on them isn't really worth taking. 

Modifié par Storm-Reaver, 06 décembre 2012 - 10:52 .

[Zaixx]

Sparbiter wrote...

Zaixx wrote...

Come on Throw is silver not bronze

I'm open for an argument to move it, as I said. It has one role in this game, to detonate. It can't thrive without a primer.

If anyone makes an actual well thought out argument as to why it should be upped, I'm all ears.

Fast cool down

Fun seeing things thrown off map

Best Detanator 

Good on anything cept armor

[OmegaRex]

tactical cloak should be in it's own separate tier.

[Malanek]

Storm-Reaver wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...
I would be interested to know what tier people think Stasis should be in.

Lowest. Killing Phantoms and units that are one-shotted without wasting CD on them isn't really worth taking. 

I agree, although it does slightly more than that. It used to be quite good before the new units.

Modifié par Malanek999, 06 décembre 2012 - 10:55 .

[RoundedPlanet88]

Sparbiter wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Why is anhiallation field in gold tier? Its only useful in CQC, which would imply silver tier. Throw is very good iin certain situations, as a detonator, and agaisnt unarmored enemies, should also be silver tier. And cryo blast......really? in silver tier? definatly a bronze tier ability

For AF, I would reason that it has its uses against multiple factions, as well as priming, ability to detonate itself, shield drain, speed increase evolution... too useful for silver, imo.

Cryo Blast, I'm uncertain on. It's clearly inferior to snap freeze as a primer, it doesn't detonate, and it deals no damage. However, it has excellent armor debuffing and has the ability to freeze incapacitate more than one enemy.


For the record, I don't consider bronze tier useless at all. That's a restatement, but I guess it had to be restated.

AF is detonateable, don`t think it detonates itself though, shield drain is usefull true, speed increase, not so much. Cryo blast also has a chance to just chill instead of actually freezing anything too though dosn`t it?
And regardless, thorw should still be a gold, or at least silver tier power-
Also, suggestion, make it so gold tier are powers you NEVER pass up,
Silver you pass up occasionally, and bronze are "throw away" powers, powers you only spec into because you have excess points. This might make it easier

[Sparbiter]

Zaixx wrote...

Sparbiter wrote...

Zaixx wrote...

Come on Throw is silver not bronze

I'm open for an argument to move it, as I said. It has one role in this game, to detonate. It can't thrive without a primer.

If anyone makes an actual well thought out argument as to why it should be upped, I'm all ears.

Fast cool down

Fun seeing things thrown off map

Best Detanator 

Good on anything cept armor

Fair points, both yours and the above poster. I will move it, although now I'm pressed to think of an example for the Bronze tier.

[DcIhNaGv3z]

stasis should be a top tier power... but its the lowest. The stasis Bubble should be bigger, and not effect armored enemies. And non-bubble should be able to freeze anything. Basically making players choose between boss control or crowd control.

[Malanek]

Sparbiter wrote...
I will move it, although now I'm pressed to think of an example for the Bronze tier.

Stasis, Lash, Decoy, Combat Drone, Concussive shot, Carnage, Incinerate, Sabotage, Supply Pylon, Shockwave, Smash, Frag Grenade, Havoc Strike, Sentry Turret, Submission Net etc etc

Modifié par Malanek999, 06 décembre 2012 - 11:06 .

[Upfunkt]

Overload's damage is almost non-existant against armor. The only use it has on armored targets is when you need to stun Dragoons/Geth Pyros or to detonate fire explosions.
Despite this, it belongs in the gold tier. Why? It's hitscan; it's the most effective power against shields and barriers; stuns and incapacitates enemies; primes/detonates tech bursts; detonates fire/cryo explosions; can be used for crowd control with chain overload evolutions. It's arguably the most versatile tech power there is.