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[The Spamming Troll]

BioticShepard wrote...

As an Adept, it's taken awhile to get used to the 60 second recharge times. Otherwise, great game.

by about level 45 youll be on 8 second cooldowns. youll be able to roll through every biotic ability you have, then after the last one is used, the first one will be ready again. ME1 allows for good progression. you start weak, and end up godlike. instead of ME2 where you put all your poitns into one abilitiy and never  use anything else. its a rewarding experience. and that little sound the game makes when you level up, IS ****ING AWESOME.

what do you PS3 players think of having only 1 hotkey??? ive always hated having 1, let alone three. especially if your a caster class. i cant remember how much i liked or didnt like entering the power wheel/individual cooldowns.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 11 décembre 2012 - 12:38 .

[grey_wind]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Saito404 wrote...

So, how it was - realise that Cerberus is evil in ME1 and not are "good guys outside the law"?

I still can't find anything in ME1 that shows Cerberus is stupidly evil like they are in ME3.
The jump from ME1 Cerberus to ME2 Cerberus was a lot more believabke than the jump to ME3 Cerberus.

injecting a person with thresher maw venom isnt evil?

Who the hell did they inject with maw venom?

Toombs.

Wasn't the entire point of the tests they did on Toombs to create some kind of supersoldier?

No, it was to study Thresher Maws, nothing else. That's why they destroyed Akuze.

Let's not forget that they murdered Rear Admiral Kahoku just for investigating the death of his men.

Or that they tried to enslave Thorian creatures and Rachni.

Or that they experimented with Dragons Teeth to study husks.

Kohaku's a liability because he was snooping too much. Replace Cerberus with the STG, and they'd have done the same.
Using Rachni and Thorian Creepers as shock troops against the Reapers is brilliant, especially when you're trying to preserve human casualties. Any Citadel race would have gladly funded that experiment.
If you can study husks and find a way to use them against their masters or use their regenerative technology for future development, thus saving millions of lives in the Reaper War, no government's going to begrudge you killing 24 colonial scouts. Same goes for the Thresher Maw experiments if they actually lead to the creation of supersoldiers.

It's dirty work, evil even. But the ends do justify the rather depraved means.
Of course, in ME3 they're so pants on head retarded evil that they're doing evil sh!t for evil's sake.

[MegaSovereign]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

BioticShepard wrote...

As an Adept, it's taken awhile to get used to the 60 second recharge times. Otherwise, great game.

by about level 45 youll be on 8 second cooldowns. youll be able to roll through every biotic ability you have, then after the last one is used, the first one will be ready again. ME1 allows for good progression. you start weak, and end up godlike. instead of ME2 where you put all your poitns into one abilitiy and never  use anything else. its a rewarding experience. and that little sound the game makes when you level up, IS ****ING AWESOME.

what do you PS3 players think of having only 1 hotkey??? ive always hated having 1, let alone three. especially if your a caster class. i cant remember how much i liked or didnt like entering the power wheel/individual cooldowns.

It was REALLY annoying the first few hours of the game. But now I think I've come to accept the pauses in the gameplay.

I was so use to the PC version of having mutliple hotkeys. I took it for granted lol.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 11 décembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[Tank207]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Saito404 wrote...

So, how it was - realise that Cerberus is evil in ME1 and not are "good guys outside the law"?

I still can't find anything in ME1 that shows Cerberus is stupidly evil like they are in ME3.
The jump from ME1 Cerberus to ME2 Cerberus was a lot more believabke than the jump to ME3 Cerberus.

injecting a person with thresher maw venom isnt evil?

Who the hell did they inject with maw venom?

Toombs.

Wasn't the entire point of the tests they did on Toombs to create some kind of supersoldier?

No, it was to study Thresher Maws, nothing else. That's why they destroyed Akuze.

Let's not forget that they murdered Rear Admiral Kahoku just for investigating the death of his men.

Or that they tried to enslave Thorian creatures and Rachni.

Or that they experimented with Dragons Teeth to study husks.

And they also do many horrible things in the books. Ascension makes it very easy to hate Cerberus and the Illusive Man. And from what I understand, it gets even worse in Retribution.

[WhiteKnyght]

grey_wind wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

Saito404 wrote...

So, how it was - realise that Cerberus is evil in ME1 and not are "good guys outside the law"?

I still can't find anything in ME1 that shows Cerberus is stupidly evil like they are in ME3.
The jump from ME1 Cerberus to ME2 Cerberus was a lot more believabke than the jump to ME3 Cerberus.

injecting a person with thresher maw venom isnt evil?

Who the hell did they inject with maw venom?

Toombs.

Wasn't the entire point of the tests they did on Toombs to create some kind of supersoldier?

No, it was to study Thresher Maws, nothing else. That's why they destroyed Akuze.

Let's not forget that they murdered Rear Admiral Kahoku just for investigating the death of his men.

Or that they tried to enslave Thorian creatures and Rachni.

Or that they experimented with Dragons Teeth to study husks.

Kohaku's a liability because he was snooping too much. Replace Cerberus with the STG, and they'd have done the same.
Using Rachni and Thorian Creepers as shock troops against the Reapers is brilliant, especially when you're trying to preserve human casualties. Any Citadel race would have gladly funded that experiment.
If you can study husks and find a way to use them against their masters or use their regenerative technology for future development, thus saving millions of lives in the Reaper War, no government's going to begrudge you killing 24 colonial scouts. Same goes for the Thresher Maw experiments if they actually lead to the creation of supersoldiers.

It's dirty work, evil even. But the ends do justify the rather depraved means.
Of course, in ME3 they're so pants on head retarded evil that they're doing evil sh!t for evil's sake.

Destroying eezo tankers over cities, causing industrial incidents that killed over 500 people, mostly children, with fatal cancers, just to create like 37 biotic children, isn't justified by anything. Especially considering that humans began developing Biotics naturally only a few years later.

Torturing and killing children to create stronger biotics isn't justified by anything.

Torturing an autistic man by impaling his arms and legs with probes, jamming electrodes into his brain, and sticking a large tube down his throat and plugging him into a computer just to learn how to control the Geth is not justified by anything.

Cerberus is a racist terrorist organization and The Illusive Man is literally a space-hitler.

[WhiteKnyght]

Tank207 wrote...

And they also do many horrible things in the books. Ascension makes it very easy to hate Cerberus and the Illusive Man. And from what I understand, it gets even worse in Retribution.

Yep.

Giving Gillian Grayson strange drugs that gave her autism(she was normal when she was little according to Karpyshyn's narration, which was arguably before the drugs. And she begins improving while she's aboard the migrant fleet and away from the drugs. Logical conclusion)

Injecting Paul Grayson with Reaper nanites and doping him with Red Sand to accelerate the process just to study the mutation and indoctrination process.

In his mind, the Illusive Man may have believed he was doing it for the good of humanity. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions, or so they say.

But in reality, The Illusive Man is much more shallow than that. He wants to elevate humanity above the other races, but he wants to elevate himself above humanity. He wants power, leadership.

[grey_wind]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Destroying eezo tankers over cities, causing industrial incidents that killed over 500 people, mostly children, with fatal cancers, just to create like 37 biotic children, isn't justified by anything. Especially considering that humans began developing Biotics naturally only a few years later.

Torturing and killing children to create stronger biotics isn't justified by anything.

Torturing an autistic man by impaling his arms and legs with probes, jamming electrodes into his brain, and sticking a large tube down his throat and plugging him into a computer just to learn how to control the Geth is not justified by anything.

Cerberus is a racist terrorist organization and The Illusive Man is literally a space-hitler.

37 biotic soldiers > 500 civilians in a war with a genocidal machine race, or any war with an alien race that can create blackholes with its mind.

Pragia was a rogue cell run by a bunch of sadistic lunatics who TIM assassinated the moment he discovered what they were up to.

Torture one man to save tens of billions of lives in a war with the Geth? Any government would consider that quite the bargain.

Honestly, with this definition of evil, you may as well go and call every major western government today Naz!s.

Modifié par grey_wind, 11 décembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Yeah, I think we all get the "the ends justify the means" argument; but as is clear by ME3, their ends were ****ing evil, too. If they had done all that and wound up saving the galaxy, then sure, they're hardasses, the rough men standing ready in the night so the rest of us can sleep peacefully.

But in reality, they, as an organization, fell into the same trap that Saren and Benezia did. So all their horrible atrocities were for nothing, and they are still *evil*.

(and I do not buy the "rogue cell" business for the experiments on Pragia, they were all rogue cells then, that's just convienient "plausible" denial BS)

Modifié par outlaworacle, 11 décembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[WhiteKnyght]

grey_wind wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Destroying eezo tankers over cities, causing industrial incidents that killed over 500 people, mostly children, with fatal cancers, just to create like 37 biotic children, isn't justified by anything. Especially considering that humans began developing Biotics naturally only a few years later.

Torturing and killing children to create stronger biotics isn't justified by anything.

Torturing an autistic man by impaling his arms and legs with probes, jamming electrodes into his brain, and sticking a large tube down his throat and plugging him into a computer just to learn how to control the Geth is not justified by anything.

Cerberus is a racist terrorist organization and The Illusive Man is literally a space-hitler.

37 biotic soldiers > 500 civilians in a war with a genocidal machine race, or any war with an alien race that can create blackholes with its mind.

Pragia was a rogue cell run by a bunch of sadistic lunatics who TIM assassinated the moment he discovered what they were up to.

Torture one man to save tens of billions of lives in a war with the Geth? Any government would consider that quite the bargain.

Honestly, with this definition of evil, you may as well go and call every major western government today Naz!s.

Well if you support unethical experimentation so much, sign yourself up as a subject. If the ends justify the means you should be perfectly willing to sacrifice your well being for the greater good. It's always easy to talk about the greater good when it's not you sacrificing.

Also you're stupid if you believe that. Talk to EDI after Joker unshackles her. She'll tell you that the Illusive Man has no more than twelve cells active at one time because he likes to personally oversee them all. Even if his own operatives don't know it, he's watching(all the bugs in the Normandy made that evident.) Meaning everything he told you about Jack and David Archer is bull****.

Also read Ascension. Cerberus' experiements on Pragia were continued through the Ascension program at Grissom academy(it was even implied in Jack's mission in the old video log.) They switched from torturing children to giving a young autistic girl strange drugs that nearly killed her.

Cerberus is no better than the Reapers themselves. They also believe they're working for a greater good -- that harvesting advanced civilizations preserves and immortalizes them, giving younger races time to grow without being annihilated by the inevitable conflict that synthetics have with their advanced race creators. By your logic, you should also support the Reapers.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 11 décembre 2012 - 01:50 .

[djspectre]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Also, the assault riffles suck.

All weapons suck until you start getting ones that have an actual accuracy rating above 50. You don't get weapons that are actually useful till about halfway through the game. 

And once you get the Spectre VII and X gear (HSMW or somesuch name), you wont need anything else...ever. 

[grey_wind]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Destroying eezo tankers over cities, causing industrial incidents that killed over 500 people, mostly children, with fatal cancers, just to create like 37 biotic children, isn't justified by anything. Especially considering that humans began developing Biotics naturally only a few years later.

Torturing and killing children to create stronger biotics isn't justified by anything.

Torturing an autistic man by impaling his arms and legs with probes, jamming electrodes into his brain, and sticking a large tube down his throat and plugging him into a computer just to learn how to control the Geth is not justified by anything.

Cerberus is a racist terrorist organization and The Illusive Man is literally a space-hitler.

37 biotic soldiers > 500 civilians in a war with a genocidal machine race, or any war with an alien race that can create blackholes with its mind.

Pragia was a rogue cell run by a bunch of sadistic lunatics who TIM assassinated the moment he discovered what they were up to.

Torture one man to save tens of billions of lives in a war with the Geth? Any government would consider that quite the bargain.

Honestly, with this definition of evil, you may as well go and call every major western government today Naz!s.

Well if you support unethical experimentation so much, sign yourself up as a subject. If the ends justify the means you should be perfectly willing to sacrifice your well being for the greater good. It's always easy to talk about the greater good when it's not you sacrificing.

Also you're stupid if you believe that. Talk to EDI after Joker unshackles her. She'll tell you that the Illusive Man has no more than twelve cells active at one time because he likes to personally oversee them all. Even if his own operatives don't know it, he's watching(all the bugs in the Normandy made that evident.) Meaning everything he told you about Jack and David Archer is bull****.

Also read Ascension. Cerberus' experiements on Pragia were continued through the Ascension program at Grissom academy(it was even implied in Jack's mission in the old video log.) They switched from torturing children to giving a young autistic girl strange drugs that nearly killed her.

Cerberus is no better than the Reapers themselves. They also believe they're working for a greater good -- that harvesting advanced civilizations preserves and immortalizes them, giving younger races time to grow without being annihilated by the inevitable conflict that synthetics have with their advanced race creators. By your logic, you should also support the Reapers.

No, I'm not signing myself up for experimentation. I'm pointing out that Cerberus in ME1 and 2 is no more evil than any other race or government of their time, or even today. Their experiments would be completely sanctioned under slightly different circumstances, and even encouraged.

And look at the timeline. The Teltin facility on Pragia was started very early on in Cerberus' career. It's more logical to assume that it's the Pragia incident that taught TIM to monitor all his cells with bugs and never run more than a dozen operations. Just because TIM is as paranoid as he is now doesn't mean he always was. And he never once denies that he knew about David.

I don't read the novels, and frankly I shouldn't have to. If the storytelling medium requires that I read another outside source so as to justify perceived character derailment, then that storyteller has failed at his job.

[Urdnot_Bucdawg]

I'm loving ME1 for the PS3. I'm level 30 and there's so much I have to play through i've only heard about and charaters yet to meet up with.
The combat is clunky IMO but understandable being the first game in the series. I think since us PS3 players started with 2, we were jaded by that engine and gameplay and just need to adjust to the engine and tactics for this game.
If anything, after 14 hours of gaming, I'm loving the Normandy better than the SR2 Normandy. Now seeing the collector ship destroy it, it's loss a little more poignant.
Can't wait to see the finale (and replay it all over again)!

[noobcannon]

hard as f*ck. wish i could hook up my mouse and keyboard to the ps3.

[MegaSovereign]

Wait you can give Wrex Phoenix armor? I DIDN'T KNOW WE COULD DO THAT.

THIS IS OFFICIALLY MY FAVORITE MASS EFFECT GAME.

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Wait you can give Wrex Phoenix armor? I DIDN'T KNOW WE COULD DO THAT.

THIS IS OFFICIALLY MY FAVORITE MASS EFFECT GAME.

[sr2josh]

So far it's pretty close to what I experienced on the Xbox 360.  The decrypting is WAAAAAAAAY better than the Xbox but saving your game takes about 3-4 times longer and I've noticed a few glitches with the audio.   Overall, it actually seems better than the Xbox version although by just a hair.

[MegaSovereign]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Wait you can give Wrex Phoenix armor? I DIDN'T KNOW WE COULD DO THAT.

THIS IS OFFICIALLY MY FAVORITE MASS EFFECT GAME.

I've seen this pic before but I honestly thought it was a mod or something lol.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I really do miss the customization you could do compared to the later games. Wrex's Geth armor was beast:

[sr2josh]

"I don't read the novels, and frankly I shouldn't have to. If the storytelling medium requires that I read another outside source so as to justify perceived character derailment, then that storyteller has failed at his job.
[/quote]"

While it's true that you don't have to read novels, comic books, watch movies, or play the mobile games but the "storyteller" hasn't failed at their job just because he/she decided to put out more stories/information through media other than the main video games.  The bare minimum of what you need to know of the Mass Effect universe is included in the games but if you want to know everything then you have to try out the other sources of entertainment that are out there.

Modifié par Makai81, 11 décembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[xandrian29]

Quick question to anyone that has already played through ME1 on PS3 and is now on ME2/3: Are the Conrad missions in the sequels now available for PS3 players who import?

Sorry if this has been asked and or answered here previously.

[MegaSovereign]

Uhhhh no matter which platform I play ME1 on I always get lost on Noveria.

It's so annoying.

[SpamBot2000]

grey_wind wrote...

Honestly, with this definition of evil, you may as well go and call every major western government today Naz!s.

An interesting observation.

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Uhhhh no matter which platform I play ME1 on I always get lost on Noveria.

It's so annoying.

Really? I always found that map to be fairly small. Noveria has like 3 rooms before heading out on the road.

[ioannisdenton]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Uhhhh no matter which platform I play ME1 on I always get lost on Noveria.

It's so annoying.

Really? I always found that map to be fairly small. Noveria has like 3 rooms before heading out on the road.

Noveria is the best mission in ME games for me after suicide mission.
I really love that place. Snow you take the mako on some great scenery with prothean  buildings and exogeni instalations.
Plus that music

[Bob Garbage]

Ahh ME1, I remember the feeling when I first played that game years back. Such a rare feeling to have while playing a game. Of all the games I've played, I think I've put the most time into ME1, maybe KOTOR.