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[lil yonce]

Does the Chant of Light-- the word of the Maker-- support Corypheus' claims that the Golden City was black when the Magisters arrived? In analysis of the Chant, I think it does.

First, we must define what the "golden light" and "blackness" are.

Corypheus says the Magisters sought the golden light, "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the Gods themselves." So, the golden light is a tangible divine power, not only a metaphorical light or good.

And what does the Chant of Light say about the golden light? Threnodies: 5:1-5:8 says, "The children of the Maker gathered Before his golden throne And sang hymns of praise unending. But their songs Were the songs of the cobblestones. They shone with the golden light Reflected from the Maker's throne." Is song a divine power? I think so. And if the Old Gods could sing, were they once divine, or are they by nature, divine beings? I think so. The Dissonant verse, Silence 3:6 supports they were the Maker's first children, "The Old Gods will call to you, From their ancient prisons they will sing. Dragons with wicked eyes and wicked hearts, On blacken'd wings does deceit take flight, The first of My children, lost to night."

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EDIT 3: Corypheus can call to individuals bearing the taint and control them. If he sought to possess the ability of divine song-- the ability to influence-- did he get what he wanted? I think he did, ultimately, but certainly not in the form he expected or by method he expected to obtain it. He has the power to manipulate taint-bearers, but he also became a montrous being. A punishment poetic in nature.

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EDIT 4: Interestingly, the title "Coryphaeus" denotes one who is the leader of a chorus. In this context, seeking the power of song makes sense.

EDIT 5: Diversion: Does Corypheus being the leader of the Magisters-- the one who speaks for all of the Magisters-- affect your opinion of perhaps the Arcitect if he is an original darkspawn? Corypheus clearly advocated in favor of seeking the golden light, and if he was the final voice of the Magisters, it is possible other Magisters did not entirely agree with his plan and were coerced into following it. Unlike Corypheus, the Architect exhibts a semblance of a conscience. Perhaps he did not truly wish to follow Corypheus. In any case, they still allowed for a number of atrocities in pursuit of the golden light.

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EDIT 6: It is clear to me from the phrasing of the verse that song can only give off the golden light. It is not golden itself. But if it can reflect a golden light when nothing else is said to do so, it is very likely a divine power.

EDIT 7: Tangent: Another interpretation of Corypheus' words could mean the Magisters were seeking the Maker himself, as in a later verse a "river of light" is present during their arrival. 

That light is not identified as golden, however, and the Magisters were seeking to claim the power of the Old Gods (song) for themselves, not any other power, nor a being-- but this could be a deceit on behalf of the Old Gods. The Old Gods possess the power of divine song, and though it can reflect the golden light of the Maker's throne, song itself is not golden. That would be one deceit. If the Old Gods were the first children of the Maker that had been locked away in the Void as punishment for the First Sin and in vengence sought to usurp Him by commanding an army of mages against Him, the Maker could actually be the light they were after. His golden throne-- the representation of His authority-- in particular would be the object of desire. This would be another deceit. Additionally, there is a line in the Chant that states the Magisters were instructed to claim the Maker's throne:

"Go forth to claim the empty throne
Of Heaven and be gods."

Corypheus does not state that as a goal of the Magisters-- never does he declare taking the throne of Heaven as the goal entering the Golden City-- but in reality it may have been the true motivation of the Old Gods, or perhaps receiving the the power of the Old Gods was payment for taking the Maker's throne.

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(Cont.) What's so great about song? After all, man can sing, right?. Yes, but not as beautifully as beings that are more divine than he. The greatest voices of man IRL are called angelic. Song has power. It captivates, as the voice of Andraste did. The Maker spoke to her and offered to raise her to His side as His bride because of her voice. Leliana has a beautiful singing voice and says the Maker also spoke to her and lead her to aid the Grey Warden against the Blight. They obeyed the Maker and used their power for good, but the Old Gods did not, and the Magisters sought to use the divine power to their own ends.

Corypheus says the Magisters sought the power of the gods in the Golden City, but claims the city was black when they arrived. "But it was... black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since. How long?"

So, what does the Chant of Light say about blackness? Blackness is mentioned a handful of times. Threnodies verse says, "So the Golden City is blackened with every step you take in my hall. Marvel at perfection for it is fleeting. You have brought sin to Heaven and doom upon all the world." Threnodies verse also states, "Those who had sought to claim Heaven by violence destroyed it. What was Golden and pure turned black." Threnodies 7:10 says, "And as the black clouds came upon them, They looked on what pride had wrought, And despaired." Erudition: 2:1 says, "The first of the Maker's children watched across the Veil And grew jealous of the life They could not feel, could not touch. In blackest envy were the demons born." Transfiguration: 12:1 says,"O Maker, hear my cry: Guide me through the blackest nights Steel my heart against the temptations of the wicked Make me to rest in the warmest places." In these four mentions, blackness is a metaphor for sin and evil. There is only one reference to more literal blackness. Silence 3:6 says, "The Old Gods will call to you, From their ancient prisons they will sing. Dragons with wicked eyes and wicked hearts, On blacken'd wings does deceit take flight, The first of My children, lost to night." But, blackness, in general, is a great evil.

So, what is the greatest of evil? Vanity. Why? It lead to the invasion of Heaven. Who were the most vain? The Old Gods and the ancient Magisters. Who was their leader? Dumat. And what is Dumat? The dragon of Silence. So, can silence be evil? Yes. It can be an evil blackness. It's certainly the opposite of song. But, again, Silence: 3:6 says, "The Old Gods will call to you, From their ancient prisons they will sing. Dragons with wicked eyes and wicked hearts, On blacken'd wings does deceit take flight, The first of My children, lost to night." Dumat's blackness is literal. So, is silence always evil? No, not if you believe the Maker created both Silence and Dumat.

So, why was the Golden City black? Well, does silence manifest as blackness? I think so. Threnodies: 12 alludes, in metaphor, to the opposition of the golden light, "Those who had sought to claim Heaven by violence destroyed it. What was Golden and pure turned black." If song is the golden light and the opposite of the golden light is blackness, silence-- the opposite of song-- must be black. Another Threnodies verse describes the Magisters entrance into Heaven, "Above them, a river of Light, Before them the throne of Heaven, waiting, Beneath their feet The footprints of the Maker, And all around them echoed a vast Silence. But when they took a single step Toward the empty throne A great voice cried out Shaking the very foundations Of Heaven and earth: And So is the Golden City blackened With each step you take in my Hall. Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting. You have brought Sin to Heaven And doom upon all the world". The Magisters were surrounded by silence. The blackness Corypheus describes.

From this analysis, Corypheus was right. When the Magisters invaded Heaven, they encountered blackness, but he described it as corrupt because he only knows of blackness through the Old Gods-- the most wicked-- and not through the Maker. He did not realize that simply, in the absence of golden light --song-- there is blackness-- silence. Threnodies: 8:21 states, "In the absence of light, shadows thrive."

So, blackness is not only a metaphor for evil and vanity, I think silence also manifests tangibly as blackness. The Golden City was not corrupt before the arrival of the Magisters, but it was black.

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EDIT: I better explained how I arrived at "blackness is evil" in the sixth clause and "silence is blackness" in the following clauses.

EDIT 2: Deleted clause on darkness. It sounded redundant after further review.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 07 avril 2013 - 02:48 .

[Vortex13]

Very interesting OP, I never thought of scilence as being evil/corrupt, but it makes perfect sense with how the followers of the Maker view the CHANT (as in refferance to a song or hymn) if Light being sung all throughout the world, and how Dumant was the Old God of Scilence and consequently was the first Archdemon of the longest and most destructive Blights.

[Daerog]

I like the connection.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 07 décembre 2012 - 06:37 .

[DeathScepter]

nice

[jack253]

That is a very interesting point your making.

[StarcloudSWG]

That does point strongly to the Golden City being the dreaming construct of Arlathan... when Tevinter killed all the dreamers, there was no one left to keep the city golden.

[lil yonce]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

That does point strongly to the Golden City being the dreaming construct of Arlathan... when Tevinter killed all the dreamers, there was no one left to keep the city golden.

I don't know much about Arlathan, but this sounds interesting. Could you please elaborate?

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 10 décembre 2012 - 06:29 .

[zambingo]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Corypheus says the Magisters sought the golden light, "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the Gods themselves." So, the golden light is a tangible divine power, not only a metaphorical light or good.

You are saying because Corypheus and his ilk thought the light was tangible that it must be so. Wouldn't that be circular? In this "it's tangible" assertion wouldn't you be stuck in Corypheus' logic loop?

The rest of your ideas seem in the spirit of the verses, however. Well done.

Another thought with Corypheus being mortal at least at the moment he and his ilk invaded they viewed things as mortals do... in linear time. It's possible that they were in fact the cause of the infection, but the effects of their invasion ripple across space/time making it appear as though they arrived after the fact.

As such the mortal invasion of the Golden City could have thusly been the catalyst for everything, including the Maker's first children falling... even though it doesn't seem to line up on the linear plane of existence. This ties in multiple events and allows each to have validity while keeping the spirit of each verse intact.

[lil yonce]

zambingo wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

Corypheus says the Magisters sought the golden light, "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the Gods themselves." So, the golden light is a tangible divine power, not only a metaphorical light or good.

You are saying because Corypheus and his ilk thought the light was tangible that it must be so. Wouldn't that be circular? In this "it's tangible" assertion wouldn't you be stuck in Corypheus' logic loop?

No, I didn't mean it that way, and that might just be poor phrasing on my part, but, I meant that the Magisters believe the golden light was a divine power because the Old Gods told them it was. The Old Gods had some divine power themselves so the Magister believed them.

Another thought with Corypheus being mortal at least at the moment he and his ilk invaded they viewed things as mortals do... in linear time. It's possible that they were in fact the cause of the infection, but the effects of their invasion ripple across space/time making it appear as though they arrived after the fact. As such the mortal invasion of the Golden City could have thusly been the catalyst for everything, including the Maker's first children falling... even though it doesn't seem to line up on the linear plane of existence. This ties in multiple events and allows each to have validity while keeping the spirit of each verse intact.

I think I'll get a headache trying to wrap my mind around this theory. Sounds very sci-fi. Only, I thought the Old Gods were imprisoned before the fall of the Magisters, or do you mean the Spirits?

[zambingo]

I suppose it can be seen as sci-fi, but it is pretty religious and fantasy-tastic too. A divine being, a god, spirit, angel, whatever we want to call it often is shown as being omnipotent and omnipresent. This can fall under the category of being outside of linear time, or time as we know it.

The Magisters can be the catalyst for everything, their invasion destroys the divine perfection and that has ramifications throughout all of reality. The Old Gods can get corrupted and fall because of this and it happen, in our perception, prior to the Magister's existing. This is because the divine and it's realm is not in our perception, our time etc.

[zambingo]

Afterthought:

If you look at it from a linear perspective it seems like a causality loop, a paradox.

But from a non-linear perspective it isn't.

Picture a circle. Everything divine is in that circle. Our reality is another circle. In orbit of that divine circle. We pop into existence and travel around that divine circle in linear time, but that divine circle exists at all times.

The Magister's stepped out of our reality and into the divine circle. A linear point invaded a non-linear reality, that linear point in that non-linear reality is now also non-linear. When they step back out of that circle they are again only linear, but everything they did in that circle rippled out to all places at all times, and because they are linear beings their perception is that the divine circle was corrupted prior to them entering.

"It was corrupted when we got there!" but in reality "It was corrupted because we got there."

[Swagger7]

Ugh, theology. 

That could be the case.  Personally, I like the idea of the city always having been black and corrupted, without a Maker. But then I am something of a cynic.

Modifié par Swagger7, 07 décembre 2012 - 09:39 .

[jack253]

I'm wondering about how this theory would effect the darkspawn as several beings (like the mother) describe the call of the old gods as a beautiful song

[StarcloudSWG]

Youth4Ever wrote...

I don't know much about Arlathan, but this sounds interesting. Could you please elaborate?

Here I posted a few speculations on the history of Thedas. Part of that speculation has to do with elves and elven magic. We know from the codex and from the different characters that once, all the elves had magic and that somniari, the dreamshapers, were more common among them. We also know that Uthenera is the 'eternal sleep' of the Elves, and that it was once different from simple death.

I posited that the reason the Golden City existed at all was because of the elven somniari, the dreamers of Arlathan. They shaped it from the Fade, they 'built' it, they maintained it, they populated it. And when Arlathan fell, and the great elven civilization was torn apart, there simply weren't enough dreamers to keep it golden anymore.

[whykikyouwhy]

What if the Golden City was never actually "heaven?"

Perhaps that is lore and myth surrounding it. I've wondered if the City wasn't just some Pandora's Box - locked within its "walls" was all the negative energy, the absence of light, silence to counter sound. It was considered forbidden, off limits, but because of its shiny alluring glow, the magisters thought to conquer it and acquire whatever power might be within (the whispering of Old Gods might have nudged them in that direction as well). It's in breaking the threshold that the darkness within emerged and caused the corruption.

/wild theory.

[Iakus]

I think there's more to the story of why the Maker left than the Chantry knows. The city already being Blackened indicates that the magisters, it seems, were not to blame. It also implies that it was not the Maker's curse that created the first darkspawn.

Which then brings us the question: What did? If it was Dumat, why would he send magisters there with the promise of divine power?

Call me crazy, but I think there's another power at work here. One that threatens the Maker as well as the Old Gods. Maybe the elven deities as well.

Did the Dread Wolf take them?

[Sibu]

iakus wrote...

I think there's more to the story of why the Maker left than the Chantry knows. The city already being Blackened indicates that the magisters, it seems, were not to blame. It also implies that it was not the Maker's curse that created the first darkspawn.

Which then brings us the question: What did? If it was Dumat, why would he send magisters there with the promise of divine power?

Call me crazy, but I think there's another power at work here. One that threatens the Maker as well as the Old Gods. Maybe the elven deities as well.

Did the Dread Wolf take them?

"Had to pull some strings and get them off eachother's backs
There was a much greater danger waiting to attack"

Sandal smiles... =D

"Fight for your values and fight for your friends
Fight through this blight find the light at the end"

[Conduit0]

zambingo wrote...

Afterthought:

If you look at it from a linear perspective it seems like a causality loop, a paradox.

But from a non-linear perspective it isn't.

Picture a circle. Everything divine is in that circle. Our reality is another circle. In orbit of that divine circle. We pop into existence and travel around that divine circle in linear time, but that divine circle exists at all times.

The Magister's stepped out of our reality and into the divine circle. A linear point invaded a non-linear reality, that linear point in that non-linear reality is now also non-linear. When they step back out of that circle they are again only linear, but everything they did in that circle rippled out to all places at all times, and because they are linear beings their perception is that the divine circle was corrupted prior to them entering.

"It was corrupted when we got there!" but in reality "It was corrupted because we got there."

Not to be rude, but Grandfather Paradoxes are the result of terrible writing even at their best.

If anything, I suspect that what the Chant of Light has to say about the Magisters and the blight is nothing but propoganda. Thedas was still recovering after the end of the first Blight when Andraste started her rebellion, so it only makes sense that the Magister's would be cast as the greatest of villians whose machinations brought the Blight down on the people. Rather than what they really appear to have been, the unwitting pawns of the Old Gods.

Modifié par Conduit0, 08 décembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[Ausstig]

Conduit0 wrote...

zambingo wrote...

Afterthought:

If you look at it from a linear perspective it seems like a causality loop, a paradox.

But from a non-linear perspective it isn't.

Picture a circle. Everything divine is in that circle. Our reality is another circle. In orbit of that divine circle. We pop into existence and travel around that divine circle in linear time, but that divine circle exists at all times.

The Magister's stepped out of our reality and into the divine circle. A linear point invaded a non-linear reality, that linear point in that non-linear reality is now also non-linear. When they step back out of that circle they are again only linear, but everything they did in that circle rippled out to all places at all times, and because they are linear beings their perception is that the divine circle was corrupted prior to them entering.

"It was corrupted when we got there!" but in reality "It was corrupted because we got there."

Not to be rude, but Grandfather Paradoxes are the result of terrible writing even at their best.

If anything, I suspect that what the Chant of Light has to say about the Magisters and the blight is nothing but propoganda. Thedas was still recovering after the end of the first Blight when Andraste started her rebellion, so it only makes sense that the Magister's would be cast as the greatest of villians whose machinations brought the Blight down on the people. Rather than what they really appear to have been, the unwitting pawns of the Old Gods.

Were they unwitting though? 

They did what they did on the promise of power. It was their hubris that lead to them doing it, not just the wispers of the old gods. 

[Gilbert Salarian]

Briefly touching on the concept of the power of song, that idea has been bandied about for millenia; it's also the basis for the creation in The Chronicles of Narnia and also the Silmarillion.  The Silmarillion, though, altered from the Chant of Light in that harmony/dissonance were in opposition instead of song/silence as the OP hypothesized.  Still, excellent points made.

In regards to the Golden City being corrupted since the magisters arrived, dear zambingo said it right: "It was corrupted because we got there."  Even though the Chant is a fictional work, it was based off of a number of myths/religious texts.  In Christian philosophy, the moment Adam and Eve sinned the entire world was corrupted (including humans, who became mortal).  Regardless of whether you view Christianity as the be-all-end-all or a bunch of hokum, the concept of instantaneous corruption can be viewed as to what Corypheus saw in action when he invaded the Golden City.

To think of it another way, assume that the Golden City was pure (like a cup of water) and the magisters were tainted (like paint).  The very moment the paint touches the water the taint spreads, so that from the perspective of the invasion everything around them is already tainted.  In other words, instantaneous corruption.  Under this concept, both Corypheus' account and the Chant of Light are in agreement.

[lil yonce]

Gilbert Salarian wrote...

Briefly touching on the concept of the power of song, that idea has been bandied about for millenia; it's also the basis for the creation in The Chronicles of Narnia and also the Silmarillion.  The Silmarillion, though, altered from the Chant of Light in that harmony/dissonance were in opposition instead of song/silence as the OP hypothesized.  Still, excellent points made.

I actually haven't read those works, so this is entirely based on my understanding from the Chant of Light-- the Maker's word. If outside material lends credit to this, excellent.

In regards to the Golden City being corrupted since the magisters arrived, dear zambingo said it right: "It was corrupted because we got there."  Even though the Chant is a fictional work, it was based off of a number of myths/religious texts.  In Christian philosophy, the moment Adam and Eve sinned the entire world was corrupted (including humans, who became mortal).  Regardless of whether you view Christianity as the be-all-end-all or a bunch of hokum, the concept of instantaneous corruption can be viewed as to what Corypheus saw in action when he invaded the Golden City.

Perhaps, though the idea of intantaneous corruption is not supported in the in the Chant of Light. But, opposition in all thing is. A Threnodies: 5 verse states of the world, "Here, I decree Opposition in all things: For earth, sky For winter, summer For darkness, Light. By My Will alone is Balance sundered And the world given new life." If there is opposition in all things, and there is a golden light-- tangilbe song-- then there is a blackness-- tangible silence. So, instantaneous corruption may not be in conflict with the Chant of Light, but it is not supported by it either, or in what Corypheus says about the city being black on arrival. I don't think he was viewing the blackness of his sin in Heaven. I think there is more support towards the blackness of silence.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 08 décembre 2012 - 06:03 .

[TEWR]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Does the Chant of Light-- the word of the Maker-- support Corypheus' claims that the Golden City was black when the Magisters arrived? In analysis of the Chant, I think it does. First, we must define what the "golden light" and "blackness" are. 

Corypheus says the Magisters sought the golden light, "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the Gods themselves." So, the golden light is a tangible divine power, not only a metaphorical light or good.

And what does the Chant of Light say about the golden light? Threnodies: 5:1-5:8 says, "The children of the Maker gathered Before his golden throne And sang hymns of praise unending. But their songs Were the songs of the cobblestones. They shone with the golden light Reflected from the Maker's throne." Is song a divine power? I think so. And if the Old Gods could sing, were they once divine, or are they by nature, divine beings? I think so. The Dissonant verse, Silence 3:6 supports they were the Maker's first children, "The Old Gods will call to you, From their ancient prisons they will sing. Dragons with wicked eyes and wicked hearts, On blacken'd wings does deceit take flight, The first of My children, lost to night."

A few things to note in addition:

The Call of the Old Gods is described as a powerful song sung by the Old Gods -- which you note. But in addition, Dwarves say that lyrium sings to them and Bartrand remarks on how he "wants to hear the Song" again -- a Song that the Lyrium Idol caused.

So I'd like to echo my belief I've stated a few times elsewhere that the Old Gods, the Lyrium Idol, lyrium in general, the Primeval Thaig, and the "Golden" City are linked to the Darkspawn in some way. After all, the Dwarves were the first ones to find the Darkspawn and they were "creatures in their own likeness". And the Magisters like Corypheus are Awakened Darkspawn -- the first, in fact -- and are unable to hear the Call of the Old Gods.

That isn't even touching how you can hear the same whispering noise from the Warden Joining, the Reaver Joining, the Darkspawn's march from the Korcari Wilds, and the lyrium idol. Exactly the same noise all the time.

Then you have Andraste's singing, which in my mind is due to her being an OGB Mage. I like to think she was a Somniari Blood Mage OGB. Considering Glandivalis was imbued with blood magic properties and the statues of Andraste in The Gauntlet -- built by the people that knew her -- have her wielding fire in her hand, I'd say I'm right. 

One might even conjecture that Leliana is Andraste reborn. Or just the next Andraste, and the Maker's making a harem. 

Oh, and Calenhad is the OGB of Andoral considering Calenhad was born in the exact year that the Archdemon of the Fourth Blight was slain and the blood of Calenhad can awaken Dragons. So Alistair is descended from an OGB.

However, David Gaider has said in the past that the Old Gods were neither Creators nor were they Created. That they exist outside of the Maker's plan.

Corypheus says the Magister sought the power of the gods in the Golden City, but claims the city was black when they arrived. "But it was... black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since. How long?"

So, what does the Chant of Light say about blackness? It describes it as the greatest of evil. So, what is the greatest of evil? Vanity. Who were the most vain? The Old Gods and the ancient Magisters. Who was the leader of those two groups? Dumat. And what is Dumat? The dragon of Silence. So, can silence be evil? Yes. It's certainly the opposite of song. But, is it always evil? No, not if you believe the Maker created both Silence and Dumat.

He didn't create Dumat, or the other Old Gods, according to DG.

So, why was the Golden City black? Well, does silence manifest as blackness? I think so. Threnodies describes the Magisters entrance into Heaven, "Above them, a river of Light, Before them the throne of Heaven, waiting, Beneath their feet The footprints of the Maker, And all around them echoed a vast Silence. But when they took a single step Toward the empty throne A great voice cried out Shaking the very foundations Of Heaven and earth: And So is the Golden City blackened With each step you take in my Hall. Marvel at perfection, for it is fleeting. You have brought Sin to Heaven And doom upon all the world". From this analysis, Corypheus was right. When the Magisters invaded Heaven, they encountered blackness, but he described it as corrupt because he only knows of blackness through the Old Gods-- the most wicked-- and not through the Maker. He did not realize that simply, in the absence of golden light --song-- there is blackness-- silence.

So, blackness is not only a metaphor for evil and vanity, I think silence also manifests tangibly as blackness. The Golden City was not corrupt before the arrival of the Magisters, but it was black.

I think it was corrupted before their arrival, but their arrival added fuel to the corruption's fire.

[lil yonce]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

He didn't create Dumat, or the other Old Gods, according to DG.

Where did he state that?  I've seen a post where he states the Old Gods were supposedly not created, but he does not state definitively that they weren't. There is room for doubt, and there is verse describing them as the Maker's first children.

I think it was corrupted before their arrival, but their arrival added fuel to the corruption's fire.

And why do you believe that?

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 08 décembre 2012 - 04:43 .

[TEWR]

Ah, it seems you're right. He did say they were "supposedly not created". My mistake. He seems to be talking about the old view of the Old Gods the Tevinters had. 

And I believe the Primeval Thaig Dwarves were the ones that corrupted it. That's the one area the Darkspawn actively avoid and what I said about the lyrium idol, Darkspawn, and Dwarves in general lends itself to the theory that they were responsible, IMO.

Maybe if the Maker did ever say the whole "Marvel at perfection" schtick, that's just his answering machine =P.

Though if he did ever say it, you'd think Corypheus would've remarked on hearing a booming voice saying such.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 08 décembre 2012 - 04:45 .

[Conduit0]

Ausstig wrote...
Were they unwitting though? 

They did what they did on the promise of power. It was their hubris that lead to them doing it, not just the wispers of the old gods.

They're unwitting in the fact that they were tricked into going to the Black city. It doesn't matter if it was greed that made them do it, they were children being offered candy by the Old Gods and the Black city was the van.

I believe the Old Gods knew the Black city held the darkspawn taint and intentionally encouraged the Magisters to travel there so that they would bring the taint to the world.