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[Nobody Important]

thegreateski wrote...

What happened to my dog? Was it hit by a truck or something?

This. How come there is absolutely no info about him at all? He has no ending card and he isn't in the expansion so where is he?

[ReubenLiew]

Well thats a shame, Alistair is dead in my playthrough...

Oh well.

[ZuuZuu]

It'll be good to see what they do with the characters that don't return [if PC & Leliana/Zevran go travelling or whatever], but I could see Morrigan returning if she did get the Old God child. After reading the Architect wikia [I haven't had the chance to read the books yet] he wanted to destroy the Old Gods so no more blights could happen? Well, if Morrigans got a Old God child...

Either way, I'm looking forward to it.

EDIT: Or The Architect has already killed the Old God child and Morrigan's out for revenge? This would stop any rumours about the Old God child being the subject of the sequel, being dead and all, and allow Bioware to go forward with a different story without a large part of the fanbase being disappointed that there's no Morrigan.

Modifié par ZuuZuu, 05 janvier 2010 - 09:59 .

[-Conspirator]

God, what you all want to see in a short trailer. This simply proves nothing.



I'd like to see Oghren however.



But lets just wait and see...

[KilrB]

So, if it IS a returning "party member" it could be Jowan?



NOOOooooo!

[thegreateski]

I know who it is . . .


Its . . . its . . . TTTEEEEEAAAAGGGGAAAANNN!!!

-Collapses in a fit of rage-

Modifié par thegreateski, 05 janvier 2010 - 10:19 .

[Spitz6860]

so if you and Alistair are both alive, then it means you did the dark ritual thing right? or is Logain sacrificing himself also a possibility.

[ejoslin]

Ok, now that I've convinced myself that it's your romance partner who is the favorite companion who comes back, I'm really looking forward to this expansion. *grin* I'll be so mad if I'm wrong!

[fantasypisces]

It would make the most sense for the romantic companion to come back. Or at least they better have a damn good dialogue sequence for why they didn't.



But to me, Zevran makes the most sense, lover or friend, he basically wants to stay with you unless you turn him down (to which I really only do if I am going to travel with Leliana, or help Alistair rule and Leliana stays with me) I could never seem to have more than one companion stay, even though I would have loved to have Leliana stay with me (for obvious reasons) then Zevran stay as well, being one of my best buds and all.

[ejoslin]

I think it's the romance partner because that is the one who is mentioned in the epilogue. If you two do anything but stay with the gray wardens, it says you two do whatever "for a time." A lot of people took that for a break up, but I bet it's you continue your travels "for a time" -- that time being having to rebuild the gray wardens. If you don't have a romance partner, Zevran always wants to hang out with you anyway. Since Zevran IS always my romance partner, it's a bit irrelevant in my case. I bet Alistair, not romanced, would also rebuild the gray wardens with the PC. I haven't tried that though.

Edit: It also explains the wording "one favorite companion."  

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 janvier 2010 - 10:48 .

[BlastedLands]

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, now that I've convinced myself that it's your romance partner who is the favorite companion who comes back, I'm really looking forward to this expansion. *grin* I'll be so mad if I'm wrong!

yay. but honestly... this whole sentence regarding characters must not inevitable describe what's going on in your party. it's worded somewhat squishy, and i understood quite differently...
but yeah, i would be mad as hell and probably throw stuff at people too.

[CakesOnAPlane]

Well I'm pretty sure that's the back of Oghren in the video. Also for Leliana/Zevran I'm thinking that they will pull a fast one and have us captured/seperated, I hope not but it would be better than just ignoring it. Ideally I think each of our endings would be an 'origin' (so if you're travelling with someone there's a brief origin together where you find some cave/hit a trap/etc. and are seperated.) and the Orlesian one is for those who sacraficed themselves or new characters but that's alot of effort that might be better spent on the meat of the expansion. Fingers crossed though either way I am loving how soon the release date is planned.

[ejoslin]

It could be any redheaded dwarf. Including the PC. Fact is, the epilogues only mention the romance partner, and either you're rebuilding the gray wardens, or your continuing your travels or adventuring together "for a time." The developers know how attached people grow to these characters -- they want to sell the game, not tick off their users.

[Xandurpein]

Personally I thought it was Oghren even before there was any hint in the video. Oghren, Alistair and Morrigan are the only companions you are forced to accept in the game. Morrigan is gone and Alistair can be dead, drunk or a King. That only leaves Oghren. But I don't mind as I really liked Oghren.

[ejoslin]

Hah, you know, it could be Oghren if you sacrificed yourself or started a new warden as he becomes general. That doesn't mean it also isn't the romance partner if you go that route.

[Fleshsucker]

Welp considering the lifespan of a Grey Wardon is not very long (as Duncan looked young and Alister said he was thinking it was time to go to the deep roads) It might be to the fighting of Dark Spawn to find a cure....Course i did drink that potion at wardens keep..Mmmmm So many plots so little DLC

[Xandurpein]

ejoslin wrote...

Hah, you know, it could be Oghren if you sacrificed yourself or started a new warden as he becomes general. That doesn't mean it also isn't the romance partner if you go that route.

That is why you have the option to become an Orlesian Grey Warden, to be able to continue "your" version of the story if you killed yourself in Orgins. I am guessing this means you get a short orgin story and start at level 20-ish if you play Orlesian.

[Skritchie]

I must admit, it would be neat to have Oghren become a Grey Warden. Although the same could be said for most of the Companions. I can't wait until this comes out!!!

[thegreateski]

Shale can die
Alistair can die
Morrigan runs off
Dog can die
Sten can die
Lelina can die
Wynne can die
Oghren
Zevran can die

Oghren is the last man . . . um Dwarf standing!

Modifié par thegreateski, 05 janvier 2010 - 11:49 .

[fantasypisces]

thegreateski wrote...

Shale can die
Alistair can die
Morrigan runs off
Dog can die
Sten can die
Lelina can die
Wynne can die
Oghren
Zevran can die

Oghren is the last man . . . um Dwarf standing!

Yup, so for continutity accross all playthroughs, he is the last one left!
Although it could be whichever person you went off with at the end (can you go off with oghren). But that would be a lot of voice work, that would cost a lot of money and only be used from time to time. So who knows.

[Rafaelan]

I think the answers are out there, if you read the epilogues.....The easy ones to dismiss as potential companions, or better said, it would be surprising if they were based on thier epilogues....

Sten - Easy, he returns home in every instance...doubt he comes back so soon...and if he did, I could see it as a potential atagonist..that would be a good twist.

Wynne - She may travel (on her own it states), become 1st enchanter...so she could possible be IN the game as an NPC, but I don't see any options leading me to believe she would be a companion.

Morrigan - Cryptic end but ending the same in each insatnce none the less, she will return, but I don't think it will be for this expansion...IMO it would be too soon for her to return & better saved using her story arc for a future DLC\\\\expansion...having to give up the search for her to help the wardens again would be bittersweet for those (like me) who chose that option...

Loghain - There is one possibility...that he remains as a recruiter...but the rest of that epilogue states specifically that he ventures to deep roads to die...my guess is he does this before you would need him....He is not coming back as a companion.

Oghren - All signs point to not being a companion...in the game as NPC, yeah I say very likely...but only 1 of his possible endings even keeps him in denerim and it isn't with the warden...don't see him being the choice...

Zevran - Sorry but all signs point to not being a companion either, maybe see him as an NPC, possible...but again ALL epilogues mention "for a time" or other specific parameters...so IMO chances are likely that he won't be a companion....as an NPC, possibly, b\\c you would think they would want some closure there (at least temporarily)...Not entirely undoable as a companion...but unlikely...I see him as a recurring (in\\out of story arc) companion\\character....

Duncan - I think there is something going on with his character....and I don't think it is a good ending for him...either he is dead, most likely or there is another part of his tale to tell...it appears that in Return to Ostagar DLC, you will find ome of his gear, but his body? unknown...but I am guessing you won't find it....and I doubt he suddenly appears and join the warden...perhaps carried off and made a darkspawn...that would be cruel...but very possible...

That leaves us with 3....

Shale - There is an outcome where shale remains with the warden, one out of eight...although 2 do have curious coastland references...a coincidence I think...but I think based on the average here, chances are shale will not be a companion...maybe seen as an NPC...but that is it....would be nice if Shale was, so it is possible...a return as a dwarven woman would be funny (and was referenced in epilogue)...

Alistair - Tough one, 9 endings and only 1 where he doesn't end up as king, dead or wandering...Obviously he will be an NPC in the expansion, but I am unconvinced he will be a companion...If he is king he surely wouldn't...same with dead or drunkard...If the ending was to follow the warden, which mind you requires some pretty specific decisons...then he possibly could be a companion, but IMO it is just as easy to find a reason for him not to be a companion...ie performing some other duty or a tragedy befalling him...or...err...the current monarch....bottom line, not a likely companion...

and that leaves Leliana...and she is the only companion who has MULTIPLE endings travelling with the warden...3 at my count (and 1 other...intriguing warden one)...I would put it this way, I would be surprised if she isn't a companion option....particularly if you romanced her...unless they pull the old tragedy ala that elf in the noble origin....cruel bioware, just cruel...basically if any NPC goes to open the door...I now expect them to die in a gruesome manner...they can't go back to that well can they? of course she could die in the joining? perhaps...that would be tragic...the cool thing here is that IF your warden made the sacrifice, she could show up as a warden recruit...ironic...

YOUR FATE as the warden...So many endings...obviously if you die, you will need to start anew as an Orlais Warden (I like this concept BTW)...I also think if you choose to be king\\\\queen\\\\consort....it would be possible that you would stay at court and not rebuild the wardens, leaving it up to someone else...all other options though, leave you...um...available...to take on this task, wherever you are....They could even probably give you that option as king\\\\queen...it would be cool if they gave you the option to to take on the task yourself or assign it to one of your previous companions (or someone else?) who are in court...that would be a cool twist....

Basically I see the list as really short for potential companions...Leliana, maybe Alistair or Shale...other than those three it sure looks like a stretch to me of verying degrees (Ohgren, Zevvran & Morrigan being likeliest of the unlikely)...one thing I haven't done is cross-reference endings of companions to see if certain combinations preclude certain endings....Leliana for example might choose to stay with the warden even if the warden chooses morrigan (or niether) as love interest but she is hardened....I think? That kind of stuff...figure that out and I would guess the picture will become even more clear...

I really do hope they give you a "potential" choice of 2-3 of your previous companions...to me, that would be optimal, probably not for them though...likely your decisions will have narrowed the possibilities to 1 or 2 already...

The only other option is a minor character coming back as a companion....again I don't see anyone that compelling...though it certainly is possible...

I admire the way they are apparently going about this story telling...it is very reminiscent of George RR Martin's work...imagine the story as a highway with character arcs (including your own) converging and diverging continously down the highway...some characters come aboard for a short time and thier story lines end or diverge away for a time period...so there is the possibility for the main character to progress throughout the entire scope of the game\\\\expansions and there are avenues for your story to end...and similiarly I believe there will be options for an NPC or two to travel with you throughout the entire scope of your adventures and for some familiar faces to join\\\\leave your side from time to time....kudos to them for keeping all these story arcs in order.

Modifié par Rafaelan, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:30 .

[fantasypisces]

Rafaelan wrote...

I think the answers are out there, if you read the epilogues.....The easy ones to dismiss as potential companions, or better said, it would be surprising if they were based on thier epilogues....

Sten - Easy, he returns home in every instance...doubt he comes back so soon...and if he did, I could see it as a potential atagonist..that would be a good twist.

Wynne - She may travel (on her own it states), become 1st enchanter...so she could possible be IN the game as an NPC, but I don't see any options leading me to believe she would be a companion.

Morrigan - Cryptic end but ending the same in each insatnce none the less, she will return, but I don't think it will be for this expansion...IMO it would be too soon for her to return & better saved using her story arc for a future DLC\\\\\\\\expansion...having to give up the search for her to help the wardens again would be bittersweet for those (like me) who chose that option...

Loghain - There is one possibility...that he remains as a recruiter...but the rest of that epilogue states specifically that he ventures to deep roads to die...my guess is he does this before you would need him....He is not coming back as a companion.

Oghren - All signs point to not being a companion...in the game as NPC, yeah I say very likely...but only 1 of his possible endings even keeps him in denerim and it isn't with the warden...don't see him being the choice...

Zevran - Sorry but all signs point to not being a companion either, maybe see him as an NPC, possible...but again ALL epilogues mention "for a time" or other specific parameters...so IMO chances are likely that he won't be a companion....as an NPC, possibly, b\\\\\\\\c you would think they would want some closure there (at least temporarily)...Not entirely undoable as a companion...but unlikely...I see him as a recurring (in\\\\\\\\out of story arc) companion\\\\\\\\character....

Duncan - I think there is something going on with his character....and I don't think it is a good ending for him...either he is dead, most likely or there is another part of his tale to tell...it appears that in Return to Ostagar DLC, you will find ome of his gear, but his body? unknown...but I am guessing you won't find it....and I doubt he suddenly appears and join the warden...perhaps carried off and made a darkspawn...that would be cruel...but very possible...

That leaves us with 3....

Shale - There is an outcome where shale remains with the warden, one out of eight...although 2 do have curious coastland references...a coincidence I think...but I think based on the average here, chances are shale will not be a companion...maybe seen as an NPC...but that is it....would be nice if Shale was, so it is possible...a return as a dwarven woman would be funny (and was referenced in epilogue)...

Alistair - Tough one, 9 endings and only 1 where he doesn't end up as king, dead or wandering...Obviously he will be an NPC in the expansion, but I am unconvinced he will be a companion...If he is king he surely wouldn't...same with dead or drunkard...If the ending was to follow the warden, which mind you requires some pretty specific decisons...then he possibly could be a companion, but IMO it is just as easy to find a reason for him not to be a companion...ie performing some other duty or a tragedy befalling him...or...err...the current monarch....bottom line, not a likely companion...

and that leaves Leliana...and she is the only companion who has MULTIPLE endings travelling with the warden...3 at my count (and 1 other...intriguing warden one)...I would put it this way, I would be surprised if she isn't a companion option....particularly if you romanced her...unless they pull the old tragedy ala that elf in the noble origin....cruel bioware, just cruel...basically if any NPC goes to open the door...I now expect them to die in a gruesome manner...they can't go back to that well can they? of course she could die in the joining? perhaps...that would be tragic...the cool thing here is that IF your warden made the sacrifice, she could show up as a warden recruit...ironic...

YOUR FATE as the warden...So many endings...obviously if you die, you will need to start anew as an Orlais Warden (I like this concept BTW)...I also think if you choose to be king\\\\\\\\queen\\\\\\\\consort....it would be possible that you would stay at court and not rebuild the wardens, leaving it up to someone else...all other options though, leave you...um...available...to take on this task, wherever you are....They could even probably give you that option as king\\\\\\\\queen...it would be cool if they gave you the option to to take on the task yourself or assign it to one of your previous companions (or someone else?) who are in court...that would be a cool twist....

Basically I see the list as really short for potential companions...Leliana, maybe Alistair or Shale...other than those three it sure looks like a stretch to me of verying degrees (Ohgren, Zevvran & Morrigan being likeliest of the unlikely)...one thing I haven't done is cross-reference endings of companions to see if certain combinations preclude certain endings....Leliana for example might choose to stay with the warden even if the warden chooses morrigan (or niether) as love interest but she is hardened....I think? That kind of stuff...figure that out and I would guess the picture will become even more clear...

I really do hope they give you a "potential" choice of 2-3 of your previous companions...to me, that would be optimal, probably not for them though...likely your decisions will have narrowed the possibilities to 1 or 2 already...

The only other option is a minor character coming back as a companion....again I don't see anyone that compelling...though it certainly is possible...

I admire the way they are apparently going about this story telling...it is very reminiscent of George RR Martin's work...imagine the story as a highway with character arcs (including your own) converging and diverging continously down the highway...some characters come aboard for a short time and thier story lines end or diverge away for a time period...so there is the possibility for the main character to progress throughout the entire scope of the game\\\\\\\\expansions and there are avenues for your story to end...and similiarly I believe there will be options for an NPC or two to travel with you throughout the entire scope of your adventures and for some familiar faces to join\\\\\\\\leave your side from time to time....kudos to them for keeping all these story arcs in order.

Pretty good post, if I bit hard to read

I was thinking along the lines of "if all characters are alive, which ones have the most options to stay with the companion, whether adventuring or staying in Denerim?" That would be Dog, Leliana, Zevran.

I do not think shale even has a shot at staying. I have gotten three endings from her. She wen back to the deep-roads. She went to tevinter with Wynne, she was sighted outside of Ferelden to the far north (I'm thinking northern Tevinter coast) as a female dwarf killing pigeons. Plus I don't really see it in shale's personality to stick around.

[ejoslin]

You're wrong about Zevran, though. If you stay with the gray wardens, he stays with you, training and recruiting, though he never officially joins the order. The only time you see "for a time" with him is if you stay or travel -- and then you also see "for a time" with your pc.  Which is why I think that "for a time" means until you have to go back to the gray wardens.

Edit: Gray Warden Alistair, and married-to-Anora King Alistair still romanced by PC also goes back to the Gray Wardens, leaving the PC's side only briefly to visit Duncan's grave.

Second edit:  However, if you start a new gray warden or sacrificed yourself, I think you will have a powerful ally in the leader of the Antivan Crows.  Hmmmmm.  Won't be a romance option, though.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:09 .

[Rafaelan]

Here are the potential epilogues....(spoiler if you don't want to know them all)....

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Epilogue

Zevran has 8 possible endings listed...2 of which are he dies...1 he goes to Antiva to head the crows...1 he travels alone..4 others he remains, 3 of which it is mentioned "for a time"....whether that means staying through the next expansion or not, certainly is a mystery...Of course if he stays to train wardens, that doesn't mean he couldn't stay behind to continue while you investigate and IMO the story is much more compelling if the story opened with Zevran leaving your side for a time as part of your story arc...I just think there are some very convenient reasons for him not to be a companion...but he certainly could be....

I really hope that what they meant by returning character was depending upon your ending...be that Leliana, Zevran, Alistair or possibly even Shale....

As for Shale, I also agree that it is far more likely that she is not available as a companion...there is only 1 ending which mentions travelling with you, and it is far too convenient to use one of the other endings to find a reason for her not to be available as a companion....

the confusing one is Alistair...I mean he could vary from being dead to travelling with the warden and all stops in between...greatest chances are he is an NPC, as a king, or fellow warden and not a companion...but he certainly could be, under the right circumstances be a companion...

Modifié par Rafaelan, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:25 .

[screwoffreg]

I wouldn't worry too much about canon ending since Bioware, for the sake of the trailer, just chose the most conventional ending to exhibit what might happen. Perhaps, if you are king, you are drawn away into battle and leave Anora to rule or something similar. As to romances, maybe they don't intend to wrap them up for just an expansion and are saving them. We will see in two and a half months.