i would like to see my shep have blue offspring with liara.
but on another note i would rather just see a post-me3 ending game that isnt destroyed to hell.
if they make a good game out of it, im sticking with Masseffect.
however if they make it an MMORPG an FPS or a god damned pre-me3 game im out.
whats the point of a pre ending game when you know how shepards story ends and your choices just meant absolutely squat? lol.
the only way your choices would matter is if they built a post-me3 game around the way me3 ends with each version being different.
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 03:36
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Maybe not blue babies, but little Miranda babies, sure.
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 03:37
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Miranda is barren.o Ventus wrote...
Maybe not blue babies, but little Miranda babies, sure.
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 03:37
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I think we all came into the third game expecting our Shepard's babies to be born. I mean they had to be planning it all along. That's why we didn't have any Krogan LI's, right? RIGHT?
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 03:39
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Cthulhu42 wrote...
Miranda is barren.o Ventus wrote...
Maybe not blue babies, but little Miranda babies, sure.
A medical problem that can be fixed today. Don't even make me laugh by asserting that her neoplasia can't be treated 170 years into the future. If synthesis is possible, then so is a fix for Miranda's infertility.
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whats the point of a pre ending game when you know how shepards story ends and your choices just meant absolutely squat? lol.
the only way your choices would matter is if they built a post-me3 game around the way me3 ends with each version being different.
Previous choices affect how the story plays out, not the ending itself. That's how it works. Worked like this for previous games. For example, with Mass Effect 2's ending, nothing you did prior to the ending of the game (eg. N7 missions or Overlord DLC) actually affects it's ending.
Other way to think about it is the choices you made at the time were the choices you made at time. Not knowing how the ending plays out you might make different choices. However, it's not like the third game takes all the choices throughout the series and pins them on a final choice that determines the literally thousands of outcomes (exaggerated, but I'm just guessing some were expecting this).
Unless you are referring to the whole "mass relays explode" and everyone gets stranded part. That might make some feel they did was essentially moot at the end.
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The Mad Hanar wrote...
I think we all came into the third game expecting our Shepard's babies to be born. I mean they had to be planning it all along. That's why we didn't have any Krogan LI's, right? RIGHT?
You mad, Hanar.
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>2183: Inexperienced, naive rookie archaeologist that no one takes seriously because she's the asari equivalent of 15 years oldDavid7204 wrote...
Liara is not a Mary Sue.
>2185: Suddenly a competent broker and biotic badass after just 2 years of experience who is clever enough to take over after the Shadow Broker, who has been running the show for 60 years without fail
>2186: Ends up being the only one competent enough to discover the ancient superweapon without which the cycle is doomed
That's not character development, that's a series of author-induced asspulls a'la Eragon. She's pretty much a gender-flipped science fiction equivalent of a fantasy farmboy who becomes a master swordsman, master magician and experienced leader after just a few years of adventuring. Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 03:47
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Its funny how BSN is ready to explode on an innocent tease.
This is not gonna happen and there is no point to this thread
This is not gonna happen and there is no point to this thread
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 03:49
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Arcian wrote...
>2183: Inexperienced, naive rookie archaeologist that no one takes seriously because she's the asari equivalent of 15 years oldDavid7204 wrote...
Liara is not a Mary Sue.
>2185: Suddenly a competent broker and biotic badass after just 2 years of experience who is clever enough to take over after the Shadow Broker, who has been running the show for 60 years without fail
>2186: Ends up being the only one competent enough to discover the ancient superweapon without which the cycle is doomed
That's not character development, that's a series of author-induced asspulls a'la Eragon. She's pretty much a gender-flipped science fiction equivalent of a fantasy farmboy who becomes a master swordsman, master magician and experienced leader after just a few years of adventuring. Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
Don't worry, he'll say you don't understand the term and back it up with big words, like SuperMac.
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Arcian wrote...
>2183: Inexperienced, naive rookie archaeologist that no one takes seriously because she's the asari equivalent of 15 years oldDavid7204 wrote...
Liara is not a Mary Sue.
>2185: Suddenly a competent broker and biotic badass after just 2 years of experience who is clever enough to take over after the Shadow Broker, who has been running the show for 60 years without fail
>2186: Ends up being the only one competent enough to discover the ancient superweapon without which the cycle is doomed
That's not character development, that's a series of author-induced asspulls a'la Eragon. She's pretty much a gender-flipped science fiction equivalent of a fantasy farmboy who becomes a master swordsman, master magician and experienced leader after just a few years of adventuring. Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
None of that makes her a Mary Sue.
It kinda makes her a something else that means what you're talking about, but I can't remember the term.
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 03:53
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iSousek wrote...
Its funny how BSN is ready to explode on an innocent tease.
This is not gonna happen and there is no point to this thread
Innocent? This is innocent:
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The Night Mammoth wrote...
Arcian wrote...
>2183: Inexperienced, naive rookie archaeologist that no one takes seriously because she's the asari equivalent of 15 years oldDavid7204 wrote...
Liara is not a Mary Sue.
>2185: Suddenly a competent broker and biotic badass after just 2 years of experience who is clever enough to take over after the Shadow Broker, who has been running the show for 60 years without fail
>2186: Ends up being the only one competent enough to discover the ancient superweapon without which the cycle is doomed
That's not character development, that's a series of author-induced asspulls a'la Eragon. She's pretty much a gender-flipped science fiction equivalent of a fantasy farmboy who becomes a master swordsman, master magician and experienced leader after just a few years of adventuring. Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
None of that makes her a Mary Sue.
It kinda makes her a something else that means what you're talking about, but I can't remember the term.
It makes her the favouritezzzzzz.
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Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
Oh my f*cking god, this is the most perfect description of her ever why have I not thought of this before.
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The Night Mammoth wrote...
Arcian wrote...
>2183: Inexperienced, naive rookie archaeologist that no one takes seriously because she's the asari equivalent of 15 years oldDavid7204 wrote...
Liara is not a Mary Sue.
>2185: Suddenly a competent broker and biotic badass after just 2 years of experience who is clever enough to take over after the Shadow Broker, who has been running the show for 60 years without fail
>2186: Ends up being the only one competent enough to discover the ancient superweapon without which the cycle is doomed
That's not character development, that's a series of author-induced asspulls a'la Eragon. She's pretty much a gender-flipped science fiction equivalent of a fantasy farmboy who becomes a master swordsman, master magician and experienced leader after just a few years of adventuring. Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
None of that makes her a Mary Sue.
It kinda makes her a something else that means what you're talking about, but I can't remember the term.
Writer's Pet?
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Run along and go steal some credit chits with your clanless, Zordon.
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The Tvtropes term is "Creator's Pet", formerly named after Wesley Crusher from Star Trek:TNG who was more or less Gene Roddenberry's author avatar in the show (Gene's middle name is Wesley). Wesley is considered both a Creator's Pet and a Marty Stu (male equivalent of Mary Sue), and has been criticized for saving the Enterprise on repeated occasions by coming up with the needed solutions despite being very young and inexperienced to the point of having trouble entering Starfleet Academy, made worse by the fact that he is on a ship crewed by the Starfleet's best.The Night Mammoth wrote...
Arcian wrote...
>2183: Inexperienced, naive rookie archaeologist that no one takes seriously because she's the asari equivalent of 15 years oldDavid7204 wrote...
Liara is not a Mary Sue.
>2185: Suddenly a competent broker and biotic badass after just 2 years of experience who is clever enough to take over after the Shadow Broker, who has been running the show for 60 years without fail
>2186: Ends up being the only one competent enough to discover the ancient superweapon without which the cycle is doomed
That's not character development, that's a series of author-induced asspulls a'la Eragon. She's pretty much a gender-flipped science fiction equivalent of a fantasy farmboy who becomes a master swordsman, master magician and experienced leader after just a few years of adventuring. Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
None of that makes her a Mary Sue.
It kinda makes her a something else that means what you're talking about, but I can't remember the term.
As shown in ME1, Liara is very young and very inexperienced. Then, at the start of ME2, she suddenly becomes hyper-competent and manages to take over after the Shadow Broker in spite of her glaring, suspension-of-disbelief-shattering inexperience. And lo and behold, in ME3 she is the one who finds the needed solution to the Reaper problem on Mars despite the prothean site having been attended to by the galaxy's best for decades.
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OdanUrr wrote...
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I do, in fact, not want blue babies.
How can you say no to these little cuties?
FOR THE LITTLE BLUE CHILDREN!!! I WILL FIGHT ANYONE TO THE DEATH WHO SAYS OTHERWISE!!!!
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You are most welcome, patron of vibrant equine creatures of small stature suffering from what in real life would be a case of severe and debilitating physical malformation.TheBlackBaron wrote...
Arcian wrote...
Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
Oh my f*cking god, this is the most perfect description of her ever why have I not thought of this before.
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You want to take this outside, Zardoc?
FIGHT ME
FIGHT ME
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Posté 08 décembre 2012 - 04:12
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You should fight him. I'll keep my distance and throw empty bottles at him.
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It is of little intrinsical importance given that this emotionally volatile human being is his species equivalent of a male honey bee born from an unfertlized egg, lacking its species signature stinger which has been replaced by a modified ovipositor, whose sole purpose is to serve and protect the community to which this all male strain of honey bees belong.spirosz wrote...
Arcian wrote...
>2183: Inexperienced, naive rookie archaeologist that no one takes seriously because she's the asari equivalent of 15 years oldDavid7204 wrote...
Liara is not a Mary Sue.
>2185: Suddenly a competent broker and biotic badass after just 2 years of experience who is clever enough to take over after the Shadow Broker, who has been running the show for 60 years without fail
>2186: Ends up being the only one competent enough to discover the ancient superweapon without which the cycle is doomed
That's not character development, that's a series of author-induced asspulls a'la Eragon. She's pretty much a gender-flipped science fiction equivalent of a fantasy farmboy who becomes a master swordsman, master magician and experienced leader after just a few years of adventuring. Only she's not the main character, which would make her the Wesley Crusher of Mass Effect.
Don't worry, he'll say you don't understand the term and back it up with big words, like SuperMac.
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Arcian wrote...
As shown in ME1, Liara is very young and very inexperienced. Then, at the start of ME2, she suddenly becomes hyper-competent and manages to take over after the Shadow Broker in spite of her glaring, suspension-of-disbelief-shattering inexperience. And lo and behold, in ME3 she is the one who finds the needed solution to the Reaper problem on Mars despite the prothean site having been attended to by the galaxy's best for decades.
She is not that inexperienced. Her views were *dismissed* because of her perceived youth, that doesn't mean she's incapable of tracking the truth that more 'experienced' archeologists missed.
She tells you straight out in Mass Effect that she's been on dig sites by herself, or with a small crew, and fought off pirates and claim jumpers.
She's not incapable by any means. She's only naive when it comes to interacting with humans, which is why she seems younger than she is.
For any other race, spending fifty years collating information and deducing facts from scant evidence would be a sign of mastery. It's only the Asari perspective that skews things away from the fact that she is an expert, she is very intelligent, and she has combat skills above and beyond the norm.
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Jade8aby88 wrote...
FOR THE LITTLE BLUE CHILDREN!!! I WILL FIGHT ANYONE TO THE DEATH WHO SAYS OTHERWISE!!!!
I agree with the sentiment behind it.
Close enough?
