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[Villiamus]

MODEDIT: Fixing link.

http://www.tgdaily.c...ore-like-skyrim


what do you think good or bad, I personally think good if bioware melds the explorabiliy of skyrim and the great writing they've done before your looking at a high dragon of a game.

Modifié par Villiamus, 09 décembre 2012 - 08:35 .

[Allan Schumacher]

If your aims on posting in this thread is simply to hate on BioWare, I'll not be a happy camper.


And as for looking like Skyrim, as others have said those are concept photos.  Those types of pictures exist for DAO and DA2 as well.

We are looking on opening up the game somewhat, in large part because Frostbite will let us do it in a less restrictive way than Eclipse.

Those thinking this means sandbox game that's light on story, though, are reading too much into the comparisons to Skyrim.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 08 décembre 2012 - 11:08 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Bob Garbage wrote...

I love how some people hate on Skyrim because they have to...omg....role play a little bit while playing the game. Also, judging any game, but, that game in particular after two hours of playing it is so damn ridiculous.

I don't think that's fair.  There's a lot of variation in what people look for in an RPG.  I haven't picked up Skyrim because Oblivion was so decidedly unfun for me.  Unfortunately, despite not having much fun in the first two hours of Oblivion, I trudged on hoping it would get better.  In the end I spent dozens of hours on the game, but ultimately didn't really feel like I had any fun while doing so.  I liked the assassin and thieves guild quests, but aside from that, I wish I had realized I wasn't having fun earlier.

Skyrim is still on my radar, but only when I catch up on the backlog and the price is acceptable for what I expect.

[Allan Schumacher]

I have replaced the link. (You shouldn't have a virus, but it was jumping through some ad system)

[Allan Schumacher]

Holy crap. I have invested 160 hours into Shogun 2 and felt that was taking up huge chunks of my time :S

[Allan Schumacher]

Haha, my most time spent in any single game is EU3 (I am not counting Football Manager since I literally just kept that open in a window)

I can't imagine coming close to a thousand hours on any single game.  Maaaaaaaaaaaybe the original XCOM (but I have no stats for that), but even then that was 2 month summer holidays where I played that and even at 15 hours a day that's still only 900 hours!  LOL.

[Allan Schumacher]

Good point. My gaming library is quite diverse.

[Cameron Lee]

Hey everyone,

I've noticed a few people on the BSN seemed concerned DA3 will focus on exploration at the expense of story. I assure you, DA3 is a BioWare game which means a strong, character driven epic story which spans many diverse locations.

Yes, we look at and learn from other games like Skyrim and how their sandbox style evolved to help them over multiple generations of titles. We’re gamers so we look at all sorts of games, recently I’ve looked at; AC3, Dishonored, XCOM, Dragons Dogma, Dark Souls, Kingdoms of Amalur, plus many more, including old school games which show off fundamentals. This doesn’t mean we radically change direction, though all these titles can influence aspects of what or how we create if we think it’s appropriate. This is normal in every studio so don't worry, you’ll get a kickass BioWare story, quests and characters.

Be calm and game on friends.

[Allan Schumacher]

Epic is actually a literary term. I suppose you can argue that our stories don't really fit the definition, but I get the feeling that you are equating "epic" with "awesome" in your post.

[Allan Schumacher]

Varric should have started by invoking a muse, then DA2 would have been a true epic.

Cassandra was clearly the muse. That whole sequence of how awesome Varric was, oh yeah just exaggerating to make an impression

[Allan Schumacher]

Question for Allan: Do you not struggle to enjoy video games, like someone who works with ice cream may grow to hate eating it?

Nope. I perhaps struggle to play Dragon Age games (I haven't been able to complete the retail release of any game I worked on), but I'm a gamer at heart. I had no problems playing even ME2/3.

If anything I can appreciate some of the aspects of the design and muse about what sort of decisions and challenges occurred during the development. I'm actually pretty lucky because others in QA find themselves unable to stop mercilessly pointing out the issues in ALL games they play, whereas I seem to have the ability to turn that off in non-work related gaming

[Allan Schumacher]

Eh, he's not a fan. In my experiences with TES (Olbivion and Morrowind), plot isn't a huge focus of their games.  I find the excel at lore and setting creation.

My old prof (who uses RPGs for research) even had the pleasure of talking with some guys from Bethesda in the wake of Oblivion, and they stated that most of their story focus went into the early part of the game to provide a hook for the player to keep playing and start exploring the world.

I hear Skyrim is better than Oblivion, but it did seem to match my expectations for Oblivion after the fact.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:24 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Bfler wrote...

Mr Deathbot wrote...
... I would hope they take inspiration from real RPGs like Morrowind...

I think, games like Morrowind overwhelm the mental abilities of the majority of Bioware's target audience, f.e. the quests require a lot of patience and that's rare nowadays.

Blanketly insulting fans who like different games than you isn't acceptable.  I'm starting to grow exceptionally weary of it.

I mean, look at your own post, which insults the intelligence of those that like things you do not.  Though instead of using the proper two letter abbreviation to indicate an example (e.g. which is latin for exempli gratia: "for example") you have gone with "f.e" which is at best a vague internet colloquialism that no self respecting intellectual would ever use.

But then, you're not the one that struggles with mental abilities, it's the guys who like video games that you don't like.


People like different things.  Better to accept that and embrace things like crowdsourcing and an improving indie game scene (thanks in large part to digital distribution) as alternative ways to get the types of games that you find more interesting if the bigger publishers aren't delivering.


EDIT: responses here, since I did have a point to doing this
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Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 15 décembre 2012 - 09:18 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Bfler wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...
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First part is only nitpicking. Typically used, when you have no real counter arguments.

Actually, it wasn't only nitpicking.  The thing is, this is exactly the response I knew you were going to make too.  I actually wish I had actually put it in my post.  Alas.


The point I was trying to make is that simply because people like a particular game style, doesn't make them stupid.  By extension, simply because someone does like a particular game style, doesn't give much of an indication that they are more intellectually capable.

The reason why I used it, is you were directly making reference to the intelletual capabilities of people.  This isn't a case of "I think hockey is teh gratest" and me going "Uh, you can't even spell.  Clearly you aren't smart, so your argument is invalid."  This is a case of you calling out the subpar intellectual capabilites of other people (specifically, the people I apparently make games for), while I utilize parody by being pretentious and pointing out your intellectual short comings.  It's all dumb and innately makes people defensive.

This is a case of "You're implying you are intellectually superior to those that prefer games you do not like."  It's always the people with different tastes that that are either young, or stupid.  Or both.  How many times do people go "It's the ADD 12 year old that's ruining my gaming!"  The ironic part is that it's just as much (if not moreso) the 40 year old father of 3 that's "ruining your gaming."

I am 31 years old, with a Bachelor's degree in Computing Science.  I am far and away more intelligent than I was when I was 13 years old.  However, when I was 13 I had no problems clicking on every single button in XCOM trying to figure out what each button did and how the heck to play the game, to the point where I basically played the game for 8-16 hours a day over summer vacation and was a full on expert at it in the 2 months of summer vacation.

I have no where near the time to apply that level of commitment to my gaming anymore.  I still enjoy deep and complex games, but I seek games for other types of escapist enjoyment too, rather than full on intellectual challenges all the time.  Probably in part because I don't watch TV to unwind, I play video games to do that too.  What it does mean, however, is that if a game isn't relatively intuitive in how it plays, there's a greater chance I won't be able to spend the time to figure it out.  Now being intuitive doesn't mean it has to be simple and shallow, just as being obfuscated doesn't mean it's complex and deep.  But I have a lot of gaming options (much more so than I did in 1994), so if I have to go digging for the challenging and deep gameplay, it's a serious issue.  Because I went digging for the deep and challenging gameplay of Oblivion and ended up concluding that I didn't really enjoy any of the 40 or so hours I spent on the game.

If I spend a huge amount of time playing a game I don't enjoy looking for the interesting and complex features that aren't actually present, it means I'm not spending that time playing something I actually would enjoy.  No one wants to do that.


So yes, there's not much merit to me pointing out that you made an intellectual mistake in your post, just as there isn't much of a point in you making a generalization about the intelligence of other people because they like different video games than you.  We both come across as pretentious and in the end not much is accomplished as the other side just gets defensive, right?


(it should be noted that I don't actually think you're stupid or of subpar intellectual capability.  I was trying to be pedantic)

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 15 décembre 2012 - 09:16 .