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[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Anyone want to hear why Thalmor and Aldmeri Dominion is a million times more interesting story-wise then mage-templars? What, because there are no shiny cutscenes? Mage-Templars is and was boring and dull.

There are many in this thread commenting about Skyrim who have zero idea what they are talking about....making inaccurate assertions and the like. The funniest one was no dialogue for guild participation/leadership.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 28 décembre 2012 - 02:46 .

[Ponendus]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Mage-Templars is and was boring and dull.

I don't think it's boring and dull. The premise is a great one in my opinion, but I do think there is a risk it will drag on too long. Three games is enough I think, let's hope DA:I is the climax and the resolution for that part of Thedosian history.

[AnthonyF27]

Skyrim was boring as crap.  I remember having to force myself to just finish the damn game.  The more I played the more bored I got.  The story was nonsense and not interesting at all.

If DA3 wants to look at another game for inspiration look at DA:O and The Witcher 2.  TW2 does just about everything right and is a story driven game like what BioWare typically does.  Bioware should focus on making a few somewhat large locations that the player can explore and have many quests within that one location.

Modifié par AnthonyF27, 28 décembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[The Hierophant]

AnthonyF27 wrote...

Skyrim was boring as crap.  I remember having to force myself to just finish the damn game.  The more I played the more bored I got.  The story was nonsense and not interesting at all.

If DA3 wants to look at another game for inspiration look at DA:O and The Witcher 2.  TW2 does just about everything right and is a story driven game like what BioWare typically does.  Bioware should focus on making a few somewhat large locations that the player can explore and have many quests within that one location.

Because the devs said that the inspiration they took from Skyrim was narrative, and story structure?

Modifié par The Hierophant, 28 décembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Talonfire]

I don't think the TES model is the best open world model to take inspiration from, personally. The problem with the TES model is that you're pretty much forced to waste a good amount of time having to walk from one place to another if you haven't found a specific location yet. Some people love this model, and that's fine, but for other people this is a tedious waste of time when all they want is to get to the next quest landmark or dungeon. The landscape of Skyrim isn't so diverse that it's worth seeing every square inch of it, indeed you've probably seen most of what the world has to offer within the first couple of hours.

If BioWare wants to go with an open world model for Dragon Age III I'd rather see them take look back at one of their own games, namely Baldur's Gate, than I would Skyrim. A bunch of interesting, optional wilderness nodes that the player can travel to from the world map and can freely explore on their own terms is preferable to the Bethesda model that forces us to traverse the same repetitive landscapes over and over again.

Modifié par Talonfire, 28 décembre 2012 - 07:50 .

[ToJKa1]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

I tried to like Skyrim, but I couldn't. I prefer DA2. Yeah I said it. Get over it.

Well, i wouldn't go quite that
far, but i do like how DA2 still has attributes. And the game is more
or less balanced. Bethesda's strength is the world building, no
question, but they fail in pretty much everything else. Were their games
not extensively moddable, i'd buy their inevitable GOTY edition at a
90% Steam sale.

BioWare shouldn't copy anything from them, if you ask me. Well, except support for modding

[In Exile]

Talonfire wrote...
 Some people love this model, and that's fine, but for other people this is a tedious waste of time when all they want is to get to the next quest landmark or dungeon. The landscape of Skyrim isn't so diverse that it's worth seeing every square inch of it, indeed you've probably seen most of what the world has to offer within the first couple of hours.

I press "c" and read this forum. Seriously. 50% of my posting here is while I'm wasting time walking from A to B playing Skyrim.

[Rawgrim]

I liked Skyrim, but for completely different reasons that i like Bioware games. They are almost different genres, really.

[gneisenau556]

Nobody mentioned this, but I like the fact that in Skyrim NPCs don't just stand there, but actually do stuff as if they lived in the world.

[LinksOcarina]

gneisenau556 wrote...

Nobody mentioned this, but I like the fact that in Skyrim NPCs don't just stand there, but actually do stuff as if they lived in the world.

On a track, but yes, that is true.

All part of the illusion though....

[The Hierophant]

gneisenau556 wrote...

Nobody mentioned this, but I like the fact that in Skyrim NPCs don't just stand there, but actually do stuff as if they lived in the world.

True, Bio should take note of Beth's npc's like how their actions are programmed to daily schedules with the transition of animations between sleeping, sitting, standing, eating drinking, cooking, singing, chopping wood, working a forge or tanning hide, etc.

[Rawgrim]

The Hierophant wrote...

gneisenau556 wrote...

Nobody mentioned this, but I like the fact that in Skyrim NPCs don't just stand there, but actually do stuff as if they lived in the world.

True, Bio should take note of Beth's npc's like how their actions are programmed to daily schedules with the transition of animations between sleeping, sitting, standing, eating drinking, cooking, singing, chopping wood, working a forge or tanning hide, etc.

Agreed. Way better than people standing around in the same spot for 7 years, wearing the same clothes.

[katamuro]

If they blend it correctly with pieces of Skyrim and pieces of DA then it would be brilliant. But that is one really big IF!

[Rawgrim]

I think Bioware might be looking more at the civil war bit in Skyrim, actually. How you can fight for one of the sides. Stuff like that. Would fit with the civil war in Orlais, and also the Mage vs Templar bits.

[The Hierophant]

Rawgrim wrote...

I think Bioware might be looking more at the civil war bit in Skyrim, actually. How you can fight for one of the sides. Stuff like that. Would fit with the civil war in Orlais, and also the Mage vs Templar bits.

If the DA3 were to have factions i would wish they were handled like in New Vegas where you could join the NCR or Legion, as a double agent who's own agenda is independant of theirs.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 29 décembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[Rawgrim]

The Hierophant wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I think Bioware might be looking more at the civil war bit in Skyrim, actually. How you can fight for one of the sides. Stuff like that. Would fit with the civil war in Orlais, and also the Mage vs Templar bits.

If the DA3 were to have factions i wsould wish they were handled like in New Vegas where you could join the NCR or Legion, as a double agent who's own agenda is independant of theirs.

Agreed.

[ToJKa1]

Rawgrim wrote...

I think Bioware might be looking more at the civil war bit in Skyrim, actually. How you can fight for one of the sides.

I don't see why, it has exactly the same quests for both sides, apart from the final one. I played once for both and haven't bothered since.

[The Hierophant]

ToJKa1 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I think Bioware might be looking more at the civil war bit in Skyrim, actually. How you can fight for one of the sides.

I don't see why, it has exactly the same quests for both sides, apart from the final one. I played once for both and haven't bothered since.

You may consider it cosmetic but the Jarls of the losing faction end up being sent to Blue Palace in Solitude and are replaced, but seeing someone who's morally bankrupt like Maven Black Briar become Jarl of Riften seriously made me question my choice between factions.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 30 décembre 2012 - 05:25 .

[ToJKa1]

A good point, but again with Bethesda's writing i never really had a strong enough opinion of any of them to care.

Bioware migth be able to do something with such consequences though, even if the actual quests were the same.

[JoltDealer]

Why are people so concerned about it being like Skyrim? Regardless of whether you think the story is boring or that it fails to hold your interest as a player, Skyrim did exploration undeniably well. In addition, Bioware does characters and stories incredibly well. I see what could possibly be the perfect RPG when I think of what Bioware could learn from Skyrim.

[Allen Spellwaver]

Never even like Skyrim. Better stay in your style, DA.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

If your aims on posting in this thread is simply to hate on BioWare, I'll not be a happy camper.


And as for looking like Skyrim, as others have said those are concept photos.  Those types of pictures exist for DAO and DA2 as well.

We are looking on opening up the game somewhat, in large part because Frostbite will let us do it in a less restrictive way than Eclipse.

Those thinking this means sandbox game that's light on story, though, are reading too much into the comparisons to Skyrim.

I agree. People seem to be overreating to the concept art.

[Talonfire]

Crimson Sound wrote...

Skyrim did exploration undeniably well.

In the sense that you could go almost anywhere at anytime sure, but that's it as far as I'm concerned.

[DragonAgeTemplar]

If so = R.I.P. Dragon Age.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Talonfire wrote...

Crimson Sound wrote...

Skyrim did exploration undeniably well.

In the sense that you could go almost anywhere at anytime sure, but that's it as far as I'm concerned.

That's the most important part. An open world game that doesn't let you explore defeats itself.