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[Addai]

H. Birdman wrote...
I respect the differing opinion.  I'm certainly no DA2 fan; and I've logged 200+ hours on Skyrim.  But for me, DA2 felt like a borderline-coherent story in a semi-believable world with a lot of specific problems (e.g., nobody noticing Mage Hawke), while Skyrim's two main questlines felt like a tacked-on pretext to do some quests in a world where nobody knew or cared what was going on.

Nobody does know that Alduin has returned until you uncover that fact and can report it to a few people such as in Season Unending, and even then there are those like Tullius who find it hard to believe that the world is really going to end.  The significance of Alduin is mostly-forgotten Nord legend.  The populace comments often and fearfully on the dragons in general, but I take it you want every single bark in the game to be about dragons?

[TerrasSol]

Well let's just be honest, Skyrim ripped of DA in a lot of ways. But nothing about Skyrim felt personal. Sure it was interesting, but I for one felt no stake in my characters or the characters around me. It was the New Vegas story with a bit of recyling (IE do you side with the sensible rebels who have the flaw of being racist, or do you side with the 'right'/traditional side in a civil war). It had the same lack of connection with the 'companions'. Yes, it's pretty. Yes it's expansive. But otherwise? Skyrim was meh. I think if DA has proven anything to us it's that it knows how to grab at our heartstrings. So if they look alike? So be it. It's all just Tolkienesque anywho.

[LobselVith8]

TerrasSol wrote...

Well let's just be honest, Skyrim ripped of DA in a lot of ways.

What? 

TerrasSol wrote...

But nothing about Skyrim felt personal. Sure it was interesting, but I for one felt no stake in my characters or the characters around me. It was the New Vegas story with a bit of recyling (IE do you side with the sensible rebels who have the flaw of being racist, or do you side with the 'right'/traditional side in a civil war).

Actually, some Nords on both sides of the civil war are racist. There's pretty much racism in Nirn among different groups of people. The Legion and the Stormcloaks are both trying to do what they think is right, but Tullius and Ulfric disagree about what that is. Both groups have their pros and cons, and neither leader turns into a villain even if he becomes your enemy.

TerrasSol wrote...

It had the same lack of connection with the 'companions'. Yes, it's pretty. Yes it's expansive. But otherwise? Skyrim was meh. I think if DA has proven anything to us it's that it knows how to grab at our heartstrings. So if they look alike? So be it. It's all just Tolkienesque anywho.

I thought Skyrim was great, and the story DLCs have provided fleshed out companions for the Dragonborn. The developers listen to fans, and address their concerns.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Faust1979 wrote...

Yes I do have to feel that in the game other wise what is the point of making the decision?

That's where the gameplay is.  It's just like combat - you can use whichever tactics you like, but the end result is always that the enemies die.  Does that make your tactical selection pointless?

The decision-making itself is the gameplay.  To quote Motörhead, "The pleasure is to play."

[Addai]

TerrasSol wrote...

Well let's just be honest, Skyrim ripped of DA in a lot of ways.

lolwut?

[happy_daiz]

TerrasSol wrote...

Well let's just be honest, Skyrim ripped of DA in a lot of ways.

I think the game you're thinking of is called Game of Thrones, not Skyrim.

...Wait, you're serious? How on Earth did Skyrim rip off DA?

Modifié par happy_daiz, 02 janvier 2013 - 09:11 .

[TerrasSol]

I've been playing Origins and a lot of the themes are constants. Now granted it might be more of a 'general fantasy' than a straight up Skyrim taking it from DA, but take--for example--the treatment of Mages. The distrust & skeptism towards them. Or the alienages for the elves & how the Dunmer are treated in Skyrim. (Or was their mistreatment a carryover from earlier games, forgive me I did not play Elder Scroll games prior to Skyrim?)

Modifié par TerrasSol, 02 janvier 2013 - 09:24 .

[Addai]

TerrasSol wrote...

I've been playing Origins and a lot of the themes are constants. Now granted it might be more of a 'general fantasy' than a straight up Skyrim taking it from DA, but take--for example--the treatment of Mages. The distrust & skeptism towards them. Or the alienages for the elves & how the Dunmer are treated in Skyrim. (Or was their mistreatment a carryover from earlier games, forgive me I did not play Elder Scroll games prior to Skyrim?)

Racism is pretty much a constant in Tamriel, yes.  The races don't get along.  Dunmer used to enslave beast races, for example, and didn't consider them people.  The Grey Quarter is not an alienage, it's a sovereign enclave because the refugees were given land with autonomy.  Distrust of mages is more pronounced than in past games but Nords were always more of a warrior race.  Man vs. Mer is a base underlying conflict of all Elder Scrolls.

ES has been around more than a decade.  If there's any influence, it's ES on DA not vice versa.

Modifié par Addai67, 02 janvier 2013 - 09:33 .

[Sidney]

You know for all the time that the Bethesda people put in writing those books they sure can't bring any of that history and life actually into the game. You sure wouldn't want to play the game to find that stuff out, no read about it and then get back to fiddling with your stats.

[Addai]

Besides the fact that lore books *are* in the game, that stuff is there if you're paying attention. Not everything needs to be put in a cutscene for it to count.

When a little pop up flashes on my screen in DA telling me there's a new codex, does that count as being "in the game" for you?

And, Skyrim is all about "fiddling with stats"? Please tell that to the people howling about attributes and spellcrafting being removed.

Modifié par Addai67, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:49 .

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Besides the fact that lore books *are* in the game, that stuff is there if you're paying attention. Not everything needs to be put in a cutscene for it to count.

When a little pop up flashes on my screen in DA telling me there's a new codex, does that count as being "in the game" for you?

And, Skyrim is all about "fiddling with stats"? Please tell that to the people howling about attributes and spellcrafting being removed.

The things being described in the books being in the game I think. Seeing the stories in the books as better narratives than the games themselves.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:55 .

[KingJason13]

I think it's a great idea, personally. I'm not expecting a full on open world... but a little exploration would be better for everyone. It's what I missed from the 'ol Ultima days of CRPG.

[ADelusiveMan]

I'm all for exploring the rest of Thedas. Bioware hasn't really used much of the world they've created. Just Ferelden and Kirkwall. If they can get the rest of their world in a thing like Skyrim, while keeping the stuff that makes Bioware games worth playing...it would be awesome.

[HTTP 404]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Yes I do have to feel that in the game other wise what is the point of making the decision?

That's where the gameplay is.  It's just like combat - you can use whichever tactics you like, but the end result is always that the enemies die.  Does that make your tactical selection pointless?

The decision-making itself is the gameplay.  To quote Motörhead, "The pleasure is to play."

I agree.  The journey is more important than the destination.   Unless that destination sucks.

[FieryDove]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

I'm all for exploring the rest of Thedas. Bioware hasn't really used much of the world they've created. Just Ferelden and Kirkwall. If they can get the rest of their world in a thing like Skyrim, while keeping the stuff that makes Bioware games worth playing...it would be awesome.

I agree. We have only seen a tiny slice of the world. I would love to see more of it!

I do think some people are expecting the "looking at Skyrim" quote to mean DAI will be huge exploring open world sand box +. I believe they will be disappointed.

Open world sandbox + story driven is a hard thing to mix. I don't even have any idea how it would work. Just having some exploring/several major hubs would be a huge plus after the one city DA2 type game.

[Bizantura]

Since "emulating other games" has not brought Bioware the sales they hoped for they should come full circle and become original Bioware again.

[The Night Haunter]

I find this thread very... premature. We know next to nothing about DA3 beyond the title and people are comparing it to other games already. We know nothing about the story (besides a 1 paragraph blurb that isnt even confirmed) and nothing about gameplay at all.

No-ones said DA3 would be open-world or open-class like Skyrim, and apart from Dragons I don't really *see* anything similiar about these two games (mostly because there is nothing to see).