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[MarginalBeast]

JasonPogo wrote...

You are all wrong! This is all just a fade dream your Warden has after s/he dies killing the Archdemon. You dieing is now cannon!! Just watch the trailor there in no other posible way to take it.

How can your Warden dream if his/her soul was destroyed? 

[LynxAQ]

BTW are we going to get a real release date this time round, or are the team of incompetent developers going to delay the expansion several times first? I am going to persume the real release date will be late April / early May tbh. So I will set my expectations for those dates.

[Suron]

Mary Kirby wrote...

You mean a 1:38 trailer didn't spend its entirety showing all the permutations of how the story could be continued? What the heck, Bioware! Obviously, you didn't account for my ending, and the whole story is ruined, and forever after I will be unable to enjoy spring breezes, food will have lost all flavor, and there will no longer be joy in the world! HOW COULD YOU?

Personally I hope they do canonize an ending.  It's how you properly move a story forward.  All you crying about it like children THINK FOR A MOMENT about it.  If they don't canonize an ending it makes expansions/sequels that much harder to do..take longer..less likely to turn out how we want...and/or will just ignore what we did in the first one.

By Canonizing an ending they focus the story much better for an expansion/sequel.  ME2 is the only game I know of to ever allow choices like that between the two games..and the verdict is still out on how well it'll be done and IF all possibilties are covered (though in ME there are MUCH LESS CHOICE to carry over.)

Think about all the variables..who lived..who died..the epilogues..the leaders..the kings/queens...etc.

IF they pull it off that'd be great..though I fear it'll make the story less focused and not as good...But to EXPECT them too and freaking cry about it like idiotic children is just plain stupid.

Again I hope they DO canonize a particular ending..it'll make future expansions/sequels that much more focused and MUCH better...if it's not the path I chose in my particular game...I'm over it already.  

TL:DR wah wah blah blah blah crryyyy wah wah cry posts

[Jayphil]

I think the you/alistiar nailing morrigan is now cannon

[MassEffect762]

Any bets on whether or not bioware goes the distance or settles for canon?

I'm on the fence.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:41 .

[Rafaelan]

I don't get the panic here...



It is not as difficult as some of you think to vary your story in the expansion depending upon your choices....



If you died...you have the choice to start an all new origin or go back to an old save and NOT make the sacrifice....



as for companions, I think the epilogues can lead you to who will\\won't be a potential companion...and BTW just b\\c they aren't a companion does not mean you won't see them as an NPC...



and the possible variations based on your decisions...Alistair, Anora or you as king, are what the ENTIRE original game was about....and suddenly now in the expansion they are unable to do so? That makes no sense.....



and BTW, I think the possibility that Ohgren will be the companion is far less likely than some of the other companions (Leliana, Zevran,...heck even Shale...) not one of his epilogue possibilities mentions him travelling with you....

[Sylph_14]

As much as it is my nature to be a complete pessimist, I'll be cautiously optimistic that the 'old favorite' returning may vary depending on the Origin's epilogue.



Which may be a half-decent way to keep Origin's replayability up >.>

[Kohaku]

Sylph_14 wrote...

As much as it is my nature to be a complete pessimist, I'll be cautiously optimistic that the 'old favorite' returning may vary depending on the Origin's epilogue.

Which may be a half-decent way to keep Origin's replayability up >.>

Like Tamlen! My little lover undercover. Now he's a guy I'd fight darkspawn for.

[Jayphil]

wynne and shale are out thats for sure they went on this quest to tevinter....



leliana possible her epilogue says much...

Zevran who knows...

Sten: back to the qunari lands but might give a surprising return?

Oghren: Drunk somewhere

Dog: LOL if this is one of the old companions i will be upset

[Nighteye2]

It certainly looks interesting. I do hope, though, that there will be good explanations for that talking darkspawn and why they are such a problem despite the Blight having ended...



I really hope the expansion doesn't introduce lore inconsistencies with the main campaign...

[Rafaelan]

even with multiple endings in the original game, events going forward can be condensed pretty easily, and there is plenty of "wiggle room" for them to do that....

[I Valente I]

I can't believe the entire point of this thread is so that the OP can complain that the entire story and possible permutations weren't revealed in a trailer. I hate these forums.

[DiscipleofUranus]

i would imagine they will transfer our choices over. Can't imagine it will be that difficult i mean, we are restricted to the areas of aramanthine (think thats right ?) so decisions we made eg. connor, bhelen or harrowmount, will be played out in areas we wont see those decisions wont be taken into account. So the main decision that comes across will be who is king/queen. If you picked anora, she chats to you instead of alistair, if you had them marry, only alistair talks to you. If your char took the throne then you take up your warden duties again and an advisor briefs you.



Also they said an old favorite joins you, so maybe they leave that choice to us. Before we start they ask who we want to bring, this allows them to introduce new characters and get us to use them because, personally, i know if i could i would take sten, zevran and oghren if i could but that would make them writing new characters kind of redundant. Will also make it feel more like an expansion, rather than just some DLC for origins.



One last thing, did anybody else think the narrator on the trailer sounded just like Harrowmount ?

[ComTrav]

LynxAQ wrote...

BTW are we going to get a real release date this time round, or are the team of incompetent developers going to delay the expansion several times first? I am going to persume the real release date will be late April / early May tbh. So I will set my expectations for those dates.

I would rather they delay it, and then release a product that works mostly fine, then rush and release a buggy product to meet a particular release date.

I know it wasn't perfect for everyone, but DAO was smoothest PC game I bought on Day 1 in 2009. 

One HOPES that there will be fewer bug issues with an expansion then with an entirely new game.

[EJon]

You guys are so ridiculous. Do you expect Bioware to release a trailer showing the expansion pack from all of the choices you could have made? In case you didn't realize, all of the Mass 2 trailers are from a canon perspective also - but you don't see people screaming, "Why is bob not here?!??! I chose Bob as the leader! Stop crying and just wait for the game to come out. Half of you didn't even think Bioware would do the import with DA, saying that they're only doing it with ME. Even after so many sources i showed to try to prove it to you people. You must be feeling very dumb right now.Obviously the choice where Allistair is king is the canon choice. Stop your whining. As for the "favorite character" it will probably be the person you romanced, or whoever you had the highest approval for if you didn't romance anyone.

[Spinnazie]

Mary Kirby wrote...

You mean a 1:38 trailer didn't spend its entirety showing all the permutations of how the story could be continued? What the heck, Bioware! Obviously, you didn't account for my ending, and the whole story is ruined, and forever after I will be unable to enjoy spring breezes, food will have lost all flavor, and there will no longer be joy in the world! HOW COULD YOU?

I lol'd


People are so quick to jump on Biowares heels, I have faith in them.

[tallon1982]

Well this sounds like a fun expansion. Do you think we'll get a guy named Patsy as a companion that clicks coconuts together for us as we travel the map this time?



On a more serious note...I would think that since the game revolves around choices it could carry over what choices we made. Is it going to be every single variable? Possibly. If you died in the previous game well maybe your new character can hear about it. If you didn't do the ritual and killed Alistair or he ditched you then you deal with Anora. I mean instead of freaking out about this why not think of what you might be getting out of this expansion.



I usually play LOTRO and with their expansions, granted there aren't choices lol, they've done a good job with leading you in the story and bringing in someone unexpected. I for one will be looking forward to this regardless of what happens choice wise with my saves. It's not the end of the world if you're not with your romantic interest. Hell maybe they will be there in the npc capacity.



Let the silliness ensue...Grab your pinchforks and torches.

[LynxAQ]

ComTrav wrote...

LynxAQ wrote...

BTW are we going to get a real release date this time round, or are the team of incompetent developers going to delay the expansion several times first? I am going to persume the real release date will be late April / early May tbh. So I will set my expectations for those dates.

I would rather they delay it, and then release a product that works mostly fine, then rush and release a buggy product to meet a particular release date.

I know it wasn't perfect for everyone, but DAO was smoothest PC game I bought on Day 1 in 2009. 

One HOPES that there will be fewer bug issues with an expansion then with an entirely new game.

Thats my whole point tho. I would rather they just said "Coming mid 2010" than give a particular day. Because we all know they wont make this date. It is so obvious it wont be out on that date, so why give that date.

[Nighteye2]

LynxAQ wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

LynxAQ wrote...

BTW are we going to get a real release date this time round, or are the team of incompetent developers going to delay the expansion several times first? I am going to persume the real release date will be late April / early May tbh. So I will set my expectations for those dates.

I would rather they delay it, and then release a product that works mostly fine, then rush and release a buggy product to meet a particular release date.

I know it wasn't perfect for everyone, but DAO was smoothest PC game I bought on Day 1 in 2009. 

One HOPES that there will be fewer bug issues with an expansion then with an entirely new game.

Thats my whole point tho. I would rather they just said "Coming mid 2010" than give a particular day. Because we all know they wont make this date. It is so obvious it wont be out on that date, so why give that date.

You can't be sure of that. Work on this expansion started on schedule, while DA itself was delayed. It seems reasonable that that date may be reached...

[MarginalBeast]

Suron wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

You mean a 1:38 trailer didn't spend its entirety showing all the permutations of how the story could be continued? What the heck, Bioware! Obviously, you didn't account for my ending, and the whole story is ruined, and forever after I will be unable to enjoy spring breezes, food will have lost all flavor, and there will no longer be joy in the world! HOW COULD YOU?

Personally I hope they do canonize an ending.  It's how you properly move a story forward.  All you crying about it like children THINK FOR A MOMENT about it.  If they don't canonize an ending it makes expansions/sequels that much harder to do..take longer..less likely to turn out how we want...and/or will just ignore what we did in the first one.

By Canonizing an ending they focus the story much better for an expansion/sequel.  ME2 is the only game I know of to ever allow choices like that between the two games..and the verdict is still out on how well it'll be done and IF all possibilties are covered (though in ME there are MUCH LESS CHOICE to carry over.)

Think about all the variables..who lived..who died..the epilogues..the leaders..the kings/queens...etc.

IF they pull it off that'd be great..though I fear it'll make the story less focused and not as good...But to EXPECT them too and freaking cry about it like idiotic children is just plain stupid.

Again I hope they DO canonize a particular ending..it'll make future expansions/sequels that much more focused and MUCH better...if it's not the path I chose in my particular game...I'm over it already.  

TL:DR wah wah blah blah blah crryyyy wah wah cry posts

Letting players go through an entire game making decisions and then completely ignoring or changing those decisions in future sequels is definitely NOT how you properly move a story forward. It completely throws things out of balance for the player unless he/she just so happened to make all of the canon decisions in their playthrough. Expecting them to go back and play through Dragon Age: Origins the "canon" way just so that they can understand what is going on in the sequel is not good storytelling. At all. Developers need to either let decisions carry over or not give you any decisions at all so that players can experience the story the way it was meant to be told from the very beginning.

[Joshd21]

To: LynxAQ

I read your earlier posts and it's obvious you are unhappy about the delay. As we all are, however it's not like Bioware on purpose plans these set back's. From what I read from earlier posts there was a last minute issue. Almost similar to the one where some people couldn't access Shale in his questline.

That problem still from the posts I read wasn't fixed. They want to make sure not to do that again, yes it's sad and it's delayed a bit. Do you have to be so gloom as to picture them as never being able to do it on time. Another online game called

Warcraft has it's problems and untill Dragon Age Orgin's I was unable to fulley apperciate what a real, thought out game with great graphics and a great storyline would look like. The people of Bioware are doing there best and they have recently got awards not only for best game but for being accessible featured below

http://news.bigdownl...ing-accessible/

As well as winning awards for their songs and best game. This clearly blows out all other games from an RPG stand point out of the water considering the length of time it's been out. You may coutinue to look at things in gloom while not seeing the bright side.

The bright side is, you obviously like the game well enough to sign up here, and to download new content so you must share the game is enjoyable and bright side they are willing to make expansions to the game, DLC and make sure they work before sending it out, shows they care about the customers.

DLC could not be avodied, without at least some of their fan base not being able to access the feature. I am just trying to keep things on the postive, on what we have. As against, what we don't have right now

Modifié par Joshd21, 06 janvier 2010 - 02:28 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Since Alistair seems to be alive in the trailer, I'm good no matter what they decide to do with the expansion (so long as he's still my Warden's sweetie). I'm pretty confident in the devs, considering the fact that DA:O was so enjoyable. Personally, I found the snarky dev responses quite amusing, but then you're talking about someone who has a crush on Hugh Laurie's House. If an individual's feelings are so sensitive that they can't handle a smidgen of sarcasm...wow, they need to develop a thicker skin and not take things quite so personally.

[Torilund]

The developers spend a lot of time creating NPC characters in Origins that you can really care about and get to enjoy traveling with a lot! Sure, it's a graphically pretty game. It's a fun story. The fighting is cool. But, I ended up playing this game through 4 times because of the NPCs they created.



Bioware: some players really want to continue where the story leaves off... WITH their team of original NPCs. I make no assumptions based on the trailer so I won't say "Oh, it's definitely Oghren!" I have no idea. I just hope Bioware does the smart thing and takes our choices into consideration for the Xpac because... well, it's not an entirely new game. It's an Xpac. I want to pick up where I left off which, oddly enough, was headed off to rebuild the Grey Warden order with Allistair. I hope I get the chance to continue the journey with that way. Now that would be worth buying the Xpac. I almost don't even want the Xpac if I can't continue where I left off because I kind of have an emotional investment in seeing what happens to these NPCs next, not just my PC.

[ReubenLiew]

Considering that they said you can either make a new Warden that came in from Orlais or import your old warden, I'd say there's a pretty high chance they'd take a fair lot of your choices from the previous game into this one.

[ckriley]

outlaworacle wrote...

You know, I realize these boards are a wretched hive of scum and villiany and I'm as bad as any one... but, and I'm just spitballing here, maybe Bioware could pay somebody to answer questions on these forums without being a dick? I'm sure that for a developer or writer, reading these forums must sometimes be as enjoyable as trying to slurp rancid tuna salad out of your own a55hole... but no matter how inane a customer's question might be, sarcasm does not reflect well on your professional image.

I had the same questions after watching the trailer, and yes after about a second of thinking on it, I realized these things would hard to get across in a trailer, so I shouldn't jump the gun. Nevertheless, I think this is a question you should be able to see coming miles away, so either answer or don't. There's no point in being rude, except possibly driving off a potential customer.

Could not agree more.  I've been thinking this for a while and even said something along these lines in a different thread.  The BioWare developers are complete pricks.  They need to either not post things on the forum or hire CMs who get paid to answer customers, because trust me, I know dealing with people can be annoying, and multiply this by a thousand when dealing with forums.  But their attitude is just atrocious.

I can't WAIT to see one of the devs post something all snarky (like they usually do) over on the TOR forums after that game gets launched, where people will be paying a monthly fee, and watch how they get worked.
 
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