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[JasonPogo]

 I have to say I don't like when games give the main character a name that is used throughout the game.  If we are to make our own character it takes allot out of it when everyone calls them a preset name.  Having everyone call my character Hawke just did all the more to make him feel less like my character.  Now I know that all the characters in DA1 had surnames but they were never used.  People just called you Warden wich was my title and did not pull the character out of my characterization of them.   So in short I hope people just refer to the main character as like the Inquisitor or something in game.  I want as much regency over my character as I can get.

[lx_theo]

I still say a combination. Surname for conversations with friends, Inquisitor or whatever they call you for people you don't know.

[Dragoonlordz]

They have to use surname because the protaganist is voiced, Do I like that fact, not really and it is known I prefer silent to voiced but I can understand why they are doing what they are doing. They can't record VO for every possible name people can come up with. I can understand too where your coming from you would rather he or she is called "Inquisitor" or something instead, but I don't think that meshes with Biowares 'personalisation' of their character. For the most part I think DA3 will further restrict self-insert roleplayers like myself (first person vs third person roleplaying) but hopefully this restriction is made up for in many other areas that expands not restricts the players.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 09 décembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[Orian Tabris]

Why not allow us to choose our own surname? Instead of being George Cousland or George Amell, we could be George Anderson or George O'Reilly!

We won't be playing one of 2 or more races, or another surname protagonist like Hawke, so I don't see why we can't have a surname. Unless of course, the backstories all rely on the PC having a last name, such as being called by that.

[Plaintiff]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Why not allow us to choose our own surname? Instead of being George Cousland or George Amell, we could be George Anderson or George O'Reilly!

We won't be playing one of 2 or more races, or another surname protagonist like Hawke, so I don't see why we can't have a surname. Unless of course, the backstories all rely on the PC having a last name, such as being called by that.

If characters are going to speak to the PC, they have to be able to call him by a common name. That's why the surname was pre-set in DA2, Mass Effect and plenty of other games with the same problem.

[inarvan]

Being able to choose between even a few "call names" would be great.

[Orian Tabris]

Plaintiff wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Why not allow us to choose our own surname? Instead of being George Cousland or George Amell, we could be George Anderson or George O'Reilly!

We won't be playing one of 2 or more races, or another surname protagonist like Hawke, so I don't see why we can't have a surname. Unless of course, the backstories all rely on the PC having a last name, such as being called by that.

If characters are going to speak to the PC, they have to be able to call him by a common name. That's why the surname was pre-set in DA2, Mass Effect and plenty of other games with the same problem.

No, I mean like, why can't we choose the surname as well as the first name, irrespective of how NPCs refer to the PC?

[Manic Sheep]

They couldn't have let you choose the surname for a human or dwarf noble in origins since the family is actually important for them. The others it wouldn't have really mattered.
Referring to them by title only works if they actually have a title and Hawke did not around the beginning. It always feels impersonal too, using the last name still is a bit but less so. For example it would be very weird if you were having a heart to heart with your LI in ME and they still referred to you as commander.
Either way it’s a non issue for me. I don’t care what my characters last name is and they already have a set background

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 09 décembre 2012 - 03:09 .

[Plaintiff]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Why not allow us to choose our own surname? Instead of being George Cousland or George Amell, we could be George Anderson or George O'Reilly!

We won't be playing one of 2 or more races, or another surname protagonist like Hawke, so I don't see why we can't have a surname. Unless of course, the backstories all rely on the PC having a last name, such as being called by that.

If characters are going to speak to the PC, they have to be able to call him by a common name. That's why the surname was pre-set in DA2, Mass Effect and plenty of other games with the same problem.

No, I mean like, why can't we choose the surname as well as the first name, irrespective of how NPCs refer to the PC?

It can't be 'irrespective', because NPCs refer to the PC by his surname.

[Inprea]

I believe it'd be nice if characters have different ways of referring to the main character. This could be a title, a nickname or a mark of their status. None of these require the character to be named but gives you an idea of the characters relationship. Perhaps those who really don't know the main character or while the character is working they would be called Inquisitor.

I wonder what would be a good mage nickname?

[Ianamus]

In many ways I almost would prefer it if the character has a fixed first name (or nickname) and a selectable surname. I know that people like naming their characters (and so do I) but it would solve the problem of your closest friends and loved ones calling you by your surname, which is really just strange. 

As for not using the surname or first name: an awful idea in my opinion really. It requires all the dialogue to be done so that either no name is used (which is harder than you would think) or the dialogue would have to refer to you by your title or role. Fine when you're speaking formally, not so much when you're having a deep conversation with your LI. "I love you inquisitor" really doesn't fit. 

Modifié par EJ107, 09 décembre 2012 - 03:32 .

[Manic Sheep]

The problem with using a nickname is that a nickname is more defining than your actual name. Your name is just what your parents called you but a nickname actually has relate to you in some way.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 09 décembre 2012 - 03:29 .

[xsdob]

Inprea wrote...

I believe it'd be nice if characters have different ways of referring to the main character. This could be a title, a nickname or a mark of their status. None of these require the character to be named but gives you an idea of the characters relationship. Perhaps those who really don't know the main character or while the character is working they would be called Inquisitor.

I wonder what would be a good mage nickname?

Sparkles.

[xsdob]

EJ107 wrote...

In many ways I almost would prefer it if the character has a fixed first name (or nickname) and a selectable surname. I know that people like naming their characters (and so do I) but it would solve the problem of your closest friends and loved ones calling you by your surname, which is really just strange. 

As for not using the surname or first name: an awful idea in my opinion really. It requires all the dialogue to be done so that either no name is used (which is harder than you would think) or the dialogue would have to refer to you by your title or role. Fine when you're speaking formally, not so much when you're having a deep conversation with your LI. "I love you inquisitor" really doesn't fit. 

Another example is your companions crying out in alarm should something happen. For instance, if your starting to fall down somewhere in a cutscene, it would be strange for your friends to shout "INQUISITOR!" instead of something closer, like your name.

Also, what if someone else with a similar title shows up, for instance, another inquisitor. Than you need to wonder how the characters tell which inquisitor is being called and which one is not.

[DarkSpiral]

xsdob wrote...

Inprea wrote...

I believe it'd be nice if characters have different ways of referring to the main character. This could be a title, a nickname or a mark of their status. None of these require the character to be named but gives you an idea of the characters relationship. Perhaps those who really don't know the main character or while the character is working they would be called Inquisitor.

I wonder what would be a good mage nickname?

Sparkles.

Sparkle-fingers.

[Ianamus]

xsdob wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

In many ways I almost would prefer it if the character has a fixed first name (or nickname) and a selectable surname. I know that people like naming their characters (and so do I) but it would solve the problem of your closest friends and loved ones calling you by your surname, which is really just strange. 

As for not using the surname or first name: an awful idea in my opinion really. It requires all the dialogue to be done so that either no name is used (which is harder than you would think) or the dialogue would have to refer to you by your title or role. Fine when you're speaking formally, not so much when you're having a deep conversation with your LI. "I love you inquisitor" really doesn't fit. 

Another example is your companions crying out in alarm should something happen. For instance, if your starting to fall down somewhere in a cutscene, it would be strange for your friends to shout "INQUISITOR!" instead of something closer, like your name.

Also, what if someone else with a similar title shows up, for instance, another inquisitor. Than you need to wonder how the characters tell which inquisitor is being called and which one is not.

That's a good point, and considering a lot of our companions in the next game might be inquisitors themselves (I got the impression you are getting people to join the order) it would only confuse things further. 

I am reminded of this scene from the mass effect 3 extended cut (one of the few things about the extended cut that I actually really liked). The way she says "Shepard" is what makes the scene in my opinion, and if she had said a generic title like "commander" or not said a name at all it just wouldn't be the same. 

Modifié par EJ107, 09 décembre 2012 - 03:44 .

[DarkSpiral]

lx_theo wrote...

I still say a combination. Surname for conversations with friends, Inquisitor or whatever they call you for people you don't know.

I rather like this idea.  DA2 handled as well as any other game that had that problem.  Heck, DA:O had that problem, its just that the title of "Warden" or "Grey Warden" or "Warden-Commander" (toss in a few "Commander" and "Commander of the Grey" as well) was a gender neutral term that could be applied to anyone.

Given that we're part of the Inquisition (I think) a neutral title seems likely.  I really wouldn't mind the occasional "boss" "serrah," "messerre," "Big Brother/Sister" etc, though.  For variety.

Interesting thought.  Anyone know what th French use as social idenitfiers?  Lower or higher social status surnames?  I'm talking about historical France, of course.  Not necesarily modern forms of address.

[AppealToReason]

DarkSpiral wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I still say a combination. Surname for conversations with friends, Inquisitor or whatever they call you for people you don't know.

I rather like this idea.  DA2 handled as well as any other game that had that problem.  Heck, DA:O had that problem, its just that the title of "Warden" or "Grey Warden" or "Warden-Commander" (toss in a few "Commander" and "Commander of the Grey" as well) was a gender neutral term that could be applied to anyone.

Given that we're part of the Inquisition (I think) a neutral title seems likely.  I really wouldn't mind the occasional "boss" "serrah," "messerre," "Big Brother/Sister" etc, though.  For variety.

Interesting thought.  Anyone know what th French use as social idenitfiers?  Lower or higher social status surnames?  I'm talking about historical France, of course.  Not necesarily modern forms of address.

Its similar to old English titles. Duke, count, baron. More French was like a marquis or something along those lines. I also think viscount actually originates from France as well. Also, castellan (reminds me of Castillon) was like a castle leader. So if the castle is actually your home base then that could work on site.

There already is people referred to as comte which is some old ass French title type thing.

[AppealToReason]

The last name never bothered me. It just felt, especially in DA2, that it had to be there since you were just a fellow for the first bunch of the game. I liked how once you were "champion" you would be referred to as such. Friends called you Hawke. Family called you brother.

It bothered me a little in DAO a bit as I was always just generically referred to as the Warden, etc. Felt like no one "knew me" and that the people you were "close" to weren't close. Like a work place or a school or a hospital versus being my buddies on a neato trip to save the world.

[LinksOcarina]

All you need is lord, inquisitor, leige, sir, madam, serah, and so forth.

That covers the gamut without even saying a last name. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 09 décembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I prefer the surname; everyone calling Hawke by his name made him feel like a real person and not just some video game construction.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

They should further develop text-to-speech (TTS) system.

[Orian Tabris]

Plaintiff wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Why not allow us to choose our own surname? Instead of being George Cousland or George Amell, we could be George Anderson or George O'Reilly!

We won't be playing one of 2 or more races, or another surname protagonist like Hawke, so I don't see why we can't have a surname. Unless of course, the backstories all rely on the PC having a last name, such as being called by that.

If characters are going to speak to the PC, they have to be able to call him by a common name. That's why the surname was pre-set in DA2, Mass Effect and plenty of other games with the same problem.

No, I mean like, why can't we choose the surname as well as the first name, irrespective of how NPCs refer to the PC?

It can't be 'irrespective', because NPCs refer to the PC by his surname.

No, most NPCs will refer to the PC in the way, designated by BioWare. In Dragon Age's case, Warden, Warden/Commander or Hawke. That does not necessarily mean they will refer to the PC by his/her surname.

Otherwise, why even choose our own character's first name? If the surname can't be changed based on what the player decides, then logically, the first name can't either. It really depends on what the standard name for the PC is in DA3. If it's the last name, then obviously we would be unable to make it up, but we don't yet know that.

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 09 décembre 2012 - 04:56 .