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[Blazomancer]

termokanden wrote...

By far (and I do mean far) the best talent is Momentum. This should be active at all times. It's a monumental damage boost. Read my note about talents at the bottom for more on talents. Do bring a rogue with Song of Courage as that is also very good for DW.

You should definitely go with Berserk for a DW warrior and have berserking active at all times. It adds damage per strike, which is really good for DW and not so much for 2h.

Another winner is Champion.

As for gear, anything that adds raw damage is amazing for a dual-wielder. It's also better for faster weapons, which is why daggers are actually really good for damage-dealing (even though you might think the opposite when you look at them).

TALENTS: DW works great entirely without talents, and sometimes it just isn't worth it to use them. Definitely think of having the right sustainables first: Momentum, Berserking, Rally. Dual Sweep, Whirlwind and Punisher are IMO the best ones to use in combat on a warrior.

Some talents like Riposte are more rogue-like and in fact have a resistance check against your cunning (which is low on a warrior). Punisher features a strength-check and is more warrior-centric. Whirlwind favors hard-hitting weapons and is better with full-sized weapons.

This all might sound complicated. Really it's not. DW warriors and rogues are great at dealing damage entirely without using activated talents.You will have enough points for all the other stuff eventually and you can just experiment.

You are definitely right that DW warrior works great entirely without talents, although I believe, Whirlwind, Punisher and Flurry are worth using in every battle for maximum damage output. To be honest, I think these are more than worth it, and someone who's not taking taking advantage of these in each encounter would probably be missing out on lot of DPS.

[MegaToxic]

While taking all of your advice for a DW warrior i have also been looking around for DW warrior builds to compare and what not and i found this which is really nice. 



www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/950918-dragon-age-origins/faqs/58960

Modifié par ToxicDragon, 14 décembre 2012 - 09:09 .

[termokanden]

Blazomancer wrote...

You are definitely right that DW warrior works great entirely without talents, although I believe, Whirlwind, Punisher and Flurry are worth using in every battle for maximum damage output. To be honest, I think these are more than worth it, and someone who's not taking taking advantage of these in each encounter would probably be missing out on lot of DPS.

Missed my point. I mean that it's not worth it to worry about the exact order in which you pick your talents as long as you get Momentum early, and as long as you make sure you have some good sustainables. At high levels, you have most or all of the relevant talents anyway.

I use ALL the talents as a warrior and as a rogue. Depends on the situation of course. I generally like to chain Riposte, Punisher and Dirty Fighting or a knockdown effect against mages. They are generally bad at physical resistance checks so here those talents are extra good.

PS: I am playing the game with a 2h warrior right now. Kicking much butt so far but I have all the DLC gear so that.. helps slightly

Modifié par termokanden, 14 décembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[Blazomancer]

Oh, okay. Right, the order of getting talents hardly matters.

[MegaToxic]

Back with another question, though this is about DLC. Now the DLC that lets you import your character from Origins, can you chose not to? will the story be different if you do/don't? I think the ones that have an Import are Awakening, Witch Hunt, and im not sure if there is another.

Almost done with my first playthrough about to do the landsmeet.

[dainbramage]

Yeah, you can start with a new "orlesian warden". But that ignores all of the decisions you've made, and it's really underleveled, has pretty bad equipment, and doesn't get any benefits from the skill books/stat books/fade bonuses/etc.

With that said, awakening is really easy so it doesn't really matter if you don't mind that every decision you made gets ignored.

Modifié par dainbramage, 15 décembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[caradoc2000]

ToxicDragon wrote...

I think the ones that have an Import are Awakening, Witch
Hunt, and im not sure if there is another.

Golems of Amgarrak as well.

dainbramage wrote...

But that ignores all of the decisions you've made

This is probably the key point for most players, especially if you intend to import your character into DA2.

Modifié par caradoc2000, 15 décembre 2012 - 09:14 .

[termokanden]

You are actually missing out on as much as 23 (or is it 24) bonus stat points you can find during Origins, on top of the bonus talents and skills. That's a significant amount.

Not that it really matters. Awakening is very easy. The only DLC with any real challenge is Golems of Amgarrak, and I beat that easily enough with a fresh character (including getting the Harvester achievement).

The good thing about Awakening is that you can respec as much as you want in it. There's a merchant who sells respec books. You can even take them with you and respec in the middle of a dungeon.

Modifié par termokanden, 15 décembre 2012 - 12:53 .

[MegaToxic]

So it would be a good idea since i spent so much time picking sides and stuff to just import my character, okay. With Awakening can i bring respec books into my origins play? Really wish they had those in origins, that and stamina potions.

I just asked Anora and Alistair to marry each other so i will be making Him king. In all honesty I like Alistair kind of reminds me of myself a little.

About party (because i have really been thinking about this) on my first play so far my party has been Myself, Alistair, Morrigan, and Leliana. Now is there a certain party to have with what class you are? For example i am going to be a DW warrior on my second play (as if i haven't said that enough) and i was probably going to go with the same party again...though this time around i may get and use Wynne in Morrigan's place. Let me know what you think.

[termokanden]

I don't really think there's a must-have party for each class.

I always bring a mage with healing spells (Wynne, Morrigan, doesn't matter). I usually bring a tank or just someone with heavy armor. Doesn't matter who. I always bring a rogue.

You can do some fun things. In Awakening I had a 3 rogue party. Only bosses could survive the first wave of Flickers. In Origins I had a 3 mage party, and in most fights, all enemies were dead before they had even attacked me. But generally, I prefer a healthy mix of everything.

Modifié par termokanden, 16 décembre 2012 - 01:23 .

[MegaToxic]

Okay..I will probably just stick with my party for almost every play I do. Only thing i wasn't sure about with Leliana was if i should keep her as an Archer or Daggers or both. However right now she is an archer and is pretty good but man she losses stamina fast.

[termokanden]

Yep, those archery abilities drain a lot of stamina and some are a bit underwhelming as well. But you can just turn them off in tactics.

Daggers are great, but you have to micromanage to keep her alive and backstabbing. I don't have the patience myself.

[dainbramage]

The only archery talents I use are scattershot (this is brilliant and definitely worth it), and occasionally shattering shot. Auto-attack is just better than all of the rest.

Archery is pretty good for leliana if you don't want to micro her. She'll keep up SoC for the party and can bring a pet too, set scattershot to go and just let her autoattack from there. With daggers and assassin she can do pretty good damage, but needs a decent bit of effort to control since the AI will never try to backstab.

Modifié par dainbramage, 16 décembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[MegaToxic]

Right i thought as much, pardon me but what is SoC? I was thinking of putting some points in willpower for her but wasn't sure so i just left it alone, but a little in str though to get her the top tier i think light or medium armor.

Well i just beat the game and it was amazing, now I will start my second go with Leliana's song and then origins and so on. Speaking of Leliana's song I should use her as an archer there as well?

[dainbramage]

SoC = song of courage. One of her bard talents, gives the party +damage, +att and +crit chance

EDIT: But going melee is probably a good idea in leliana's song, I don't know if you even get any decent bows.

Modifié par dainbramage, 16 décembre 2012 - 06:31 .

[Blazomancer]

That party setup is very well balanced. One thing you can do if you wish is swap Alistair with Shale sometimes. Shale is also a very effective tank.
As it is already mentioned, leliana is probably better with a bow unless you are a glutton for micromanagement or doesn't care about her damage output. Regarding her running out of stamina frequently, it happens. Given their effectiveness, most of these talents are very costly. Scattershot, shattering shot, and situationally crippling shot, Arrow of slaying are useful though. One thing I'd suggest is not to keep 'aim' on anytime, unless you have reduced her aim time with the different means possible. It will only kill her dps.

SoC or Song of courage(though it's more like a scream) means more crit chance, attack, and damage to the whole party. Now, the thing is these bonuses depends on her cunning score. So if you want to optimize things, probably you'd want to invest voraciously in cunning rather than will and str. But that being said, if you are having trouble keeping her alive, by all means go for sturdier armors, although the best light armors already have large armor+ other bonuses that one can even tank in them. And these are equippable at about 20 strength IIRC. Not to mention, Leliana looks more elegant in leathers.

You can let her use anything in Leliana's song. It will be over before you know it. Just make sure to unlock the gear i was talking about before.

And congrats on completing the game.

[MegaToxic]

Thank you, Foolishly i invested too late in her bard talents but i wont make that mistake again. Once i get the SoC i will have her use that one instead of the first one she has in bard. Yeah I rather keep her in all leather as well need a way to keep her fatigue down though.

With that gear is there something special in leliana's song i need to do to unlock it?

And thanks, it was a really good story....though i am gonna have to hunt Morrigan down...because i really want to know what happen.

[Blazomancer]

Quoting the wiki:
"Collect all 6 Masterwork Leather Pieces in Leliana's Song.Accomplishing this unlocks the Provocateur achievement."

These pieces are not hard to find. Once the achievement is unlocked the armor will be available in origins and awakening from the beginning in your inventory. Enjoy.

[MegaToxic]

That wiki...I keep forgetting about the wiki.

Thank you. Off to start it now. DW warrior playthrough here i come!!

[MegaToxic]

Got a questions about Return to Ostagar DLC regarding Cailan's armor set. Now i was reading the Wiki and it says the armor can be Tier 5 or 7, now obviously Tier 7 is better but I would like to have the armor early, so should i do this quest at a higher level for the tier 7 or just get it when the quest is available?

Side note finished Leliana's song and got the armor from it.

[dainbramage]

If you do it early and get the red steel version, you can later sell it to a shopkeeper, save and reload and if you're a higher level it'll be a higher tier when you re-buy it. Dryden in warden's keep seems to be the most reliable at this, and at level 18 or so he should turn it into dragonbone for you.

EDIT: This works for just about every item that scales

Modifié par dainbramage, 17 décembre 2012 - 12:12 .

[Blazomancer]

I wouldn't know about it, but it seems on consoles the party storage chest in warden' keep also scales variable tier items to the warden's level when placed in it.

[termokanden]

I could be mistaken here as it has been a while, but I don't think it works like that in the PC version.

Anyway, this thread has rekindled my interest in replaying the game. Currently deep in the Deep Roads with my 2h warrior. Level 13. Slaying much Darkspawn rabble.

2h warriors are so much fun once they reach this level!

Modifié par termokanden, 17 décembre 2012 - 09:13 .

[MegaToxic]

I see, i also read something like that in the wiki saying that if you get it at a lower level it will be tier 5 but at higher levels you can put it in the party storage and it will be tier 7. This seems really cool, i will probably just do it early for the armor it looks awesome. Oh and Marics Blade also looks cool and so does Starfang (I was looking around the wiki)

[caradoc2000]

The Wardens Keep storage chest does scale the items on consoles - you need to leave the area and come back.