As part of the trilogy, I would say ME2 is the worst. The plot didn't really advance, and in the big scheme of things, nothing in it really mattered (exception being the genophage cure but thats about it).
As a stand alone game in a vacuum, ME2 is easily the best, with ME3 being the worst.
Is ME3 the worst game in the trilogy?
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Worst? Bad question.
Most disappointing? Yes. Most disappointing.
These are of course just my opinions.
ME1 : Best of the series. Exploration (even on barren worlds but then, since it's barren I never expected to find a city there.) Thresher Maws on most of the worlds was fun. I looked for those telltale rings in the dirt just to battle the suckers. Weapons were truly SciFi and required the player to think about how they used their weapons. Weapons mods more resembled magazines, switchable on the fly, making a single weapon so much more versatile. Mako, awesome recon tank. How I miss it.
ME2 : Best for character interaction. Silly weapons mods, silly powers. Loved the unique planets and still gave a sense the universe was big. SciFi was thrown out the airlock (about the only thing to use it in the game) when actual hostile enviroment suits were not even used. Air breathers in space? BAH! Too bad the stories plot did not advance the main plot in any way. (Tali as LI, best thing about ME2)
ME3 : Tuchanka was outstanding but was a downhill ride from there. Very early on I wondered just how many things my Shepard would do without my actual input. It was worse than I expected. Weapons mods were back in more detail but still not up to ME1's standard.
So
ME1, played 52 times. Loved it.
ME2, played 31 times. Enjoyed it for the characters only.
ME3, played 3 times. Still trying to find enjoyment for the whole game. So yes, most disappointing game so far.
Most disappointing? Yes. Most disappointing.
These are of course just my opinions.
ME1 : Best of the series. Exploration (even on barren worlds but then, since it's barren I never expected to find a city there.) Thresher Maws on most of the worlds was fun. I looked for those telltale rings in the dirt just to battle the suckers. Weapons were truly SciFi and required the player to think about how they used their weapons. Weapons mods more resembled magazines, switchable on the fly, making a single weapon so much more versatile. Mako, awesome recon tank. How I miss it.
ME2 : Best for character interaction. Silly weapons mods, silly powers. Loved the unique planets and still gave a sense the universe was big. SciFi was thrown out the airlock (about the only thing to use it in the game) when actual hostile enviroment suits were not even used. Air breathers in space? BAH! Too bad the stories plot did not advance the main plot in any way. (Tali as LI, best thing about ME2)
ME3 : Tuchanka was outstanding but was a downhill ride from there. Very early on I wondered just how many things my Shepard would do without my actual input. It was worse than I expected. Weapons mods were back in more detail but still not up to ME1's standard.
So
ME1, played 52 times. Loved it.
ME2, played 31 times. Enjoyed it for the characters only.
ME3, played 3 times. Still trying to find enjoyment for the whole game. So yes, most disappointing game so far.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:29
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Yes Mass Effect 3 is the worst in the trilogy. It also brings down Mass Effect 2 as well, since because all the squad mates are reduced to minor cameos, Mass Effect 3 also made Mass Effect 2 feel like a complete waste of time. You can play Mass Effect 1 - Mass Effect 3 and you miss nothing.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:30
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malakim2099 wrote...
spirosz wrote...
It had certain aspects that stand out as the worst, but the other games have flaws as well, but at least I can still play the other two...
If it weren't for the multiplayer aspect, ME3 would have been collecting dust as soon as I finished the game the first time. I briefly tried to play Insanity for the cheevo (wound up making it to Mars before getting sick of it, not from difficulty so much as just meh, I know what's going to happen, and there was no replay value for me)... but really, the last 4 months or so my "playing" the game on Xbox involved running amok in multiplayer.
Same for me. I haven't touched the SP because of autodialogue and treatment of certain characters.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:30
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ME2 is definitely the best one, I could play that one forever.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:30
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Calinstel wrote...
Worst? Bad question.
Most disappointing? Yes. Most disappointing.
These are of course just my opinions.
ME1 : Best of the series. Exploration (even on barren worlds but then, since it's barren I never expected to find a city there.) Thresher Maws on most of the worlds was fun. I looked for those telltale rings in the dirt just to battle the suckers. Weapons were truly SciFi and required the player to think about how they used their weapons. Weapons mods more resembled magazines, switchable on the fly, making a single weapon so much more versatile. Mako, awesome recon tank. How I miss it.
ME2 : Best for character interaction. Silly weapons mods, silly powers. Loved the unique planets and still gave a sense the universe was big. SciFi was thrown out the airlock (about the only thing to use it in the game) when actual hostile enviroment suits were not even used. Air breathers in space? BAH! Too bad the stories plot did not advance the main plot in any way. (Tali as LI, best thing about ME2)
ME3 : Tuchanka was outstanding but was a downhill ride from there. Very early on I wondered just how many things my Shepard would do without my actual input. I was worse than I expected. Weapons mods were back in more detail but still not up to ME1's standard.
So
ME1, played 52 times. Loved it.
ME2, played 31 times. Enjoyed it for the characters only.
ME3, played 3 times. Still trying to find enjoyment for the whole game. So yes, most disappointing game so far.
This sums it up, except I prefer ME2
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:33
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ME1 was brilliant for the first few playthroughs, but for me it became a bit of a chore to play through it once the novelty wore off. The story was great, but the dialogue often felt stilted and the gameplay was severely lacking.
ME2 didn't advance the plot much, but the characters and the gameplay were vastly superior to ME1. I find the characters in ME considerably more interesting than the main reaper plot (the main reason I like ME1's plot is Saren), so a game where the focus is entirely on them was pretty much what I was looking for. It was an excuse simply to spend another 30 hours in the ME universe.
ME3 has the bast gameplay, and the character interactions are a step above even ME2. It also manages to be the most emotional I think. The ending disappointed, and many of the choices were rendered pretty irrelevant, but the overall feel of the game is phenomenal.
So overall, I'd rate ME1 as my least favourite now.
ME2 didn't advance the plot much, but the characters and the gameplay were vastly superior to ME1. I find the characters in ME considerably more interesting than the main reaper plot (the main reason I like ME1's plot is Saren), so a game where the focus is entirely on them was pretty much what I was looking for. It was an excuse simply to spend another 30 hours in the ME universe.
ME3 has the bast gameplay, and the character interactions are a step above even ME2. It also manages to be the most emotional I think. The ending disappointed, and many of the choices were rendered pretty irrelevant, but the overall feel of the game is phenomenal.
So overall, I'd rate ME1 as my least favourite now.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:41
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Why do people think ME2 had the best character interaction? Most squadmates felt disconnected from the story...only Miranda and Mordin had lines that were driving the plot. Every character has his/her 15 minutes of fame before you could forget him/her. The ME3 squadmates (except Ashley) have more dialogue AND they talk to each other.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:41
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Overall yes it was. For me it goes:
ME1>ME2>ME3
It had the best combat sure, but Mass Effect was never about the action and combat, and Bioware seemed to forgotten that.
ME1>ME2>ME3
It had the best combat sure, but Mass Effect was never about the action and combat, and Bioware seemed to forgotten that.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:53
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For me it goes Me2>>Me3>Me1.
ME3 just edged out second spot for me, its combat system and overall story arcs were far more enjoyable and better than ME1's. (Not including the endings for both games). Also ME1 loses points because of the Mako. I do not like that...thing. Its the biggest drag for me.
Note: I do not consider ME1 the worst. I enjoy playing all three games, I just find it to be the weakest of the three.
ME3 just edged out second spot for me, its combat system and overall story arcs were far more enjoyable and better than ME1's. (Not including the endings for both games). Also ME1 loses points because of the Mako. I do not like that...thing. Its the biggest drag for me.
Note: I do not consider ME1 the worst. I enjoy playing all three games, I just find it to be the weakest of the three.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 02:59
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Barquiel wrote...
Why do people think ME2 had the best character interaction? Most squadmates felt disconnected from the story...only Miranda and Mordin had lines that were driving the plot. Every character has his/her 15 minutes of fame before you could forget him/her. The ME3 squadmates (except Ashley) have more dialogue AND they talk to each other.
Best character(s), not best character interaction.
ME3 holds that title of best character interaction.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 03:03
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To some maybe but still, I did enjoy the heck out of those elevator rides in ME1. Best danged loading screen ever!spirosz wrote...
Barquiel wrote...
Why do people think ME2 had the best character interaction? Most squadmates felt disconnected from the story...only Miranda and Mordin had lines that were driving the plot. Every character has his/her 15 minutes of fame before you could forget him/her. The ME3 squadmates (except Ashley) have more dialogue AND they talk to each other.
Best character(s), not best character interaction.
ME3 holds that title of best character interaction.
(And to those who hated the elevator, why did you not just use the rapid transit system? Then you get your beloved loading screen.)
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 03:29
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As a story, ME3 is certainly the worst. As a game, though, ME1 is in many ways inferior, with boring squadmates, weaker VA, awful inventory and combat systems, and the Mako.
In the end, the only ME game I'm a big fan of is ME2.
I feel the same way.
ME2 was in the middle and it was great there.
ME3 paid way too much attention to the combat and didn't provide that much exposition and said that things happened just because.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 03:31
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Some poeple are saying here that ME2 "had no story". Well, of course it did. It had characters, they did things, so that's a story. In fact, that's what ALL stories are. Stories are about characters, people doing things.
So yes, ME2 had a story. The problem, though, is that it was a story that did not really belong. ME2 should have gone something like this:
Open with Shep fighting the remnants of the geth and learning, from the very beginning, about the geth/heretics/Reaper relationship. Legion should be joining very early, and this part of ME1 should be closed off (to a degree) by re-writing or destroying the heretics.
After this, Shep will be sent to search out and respond and acquire anything that even smacks of reaper tech, in a desperate attempt by the council races to find some way to deal with a potential Reaper invasion. During this process, Shep bumps into Cerberus doing the same thing, except Cerberus ends up being a bit reckless and immoral with their experimentation and scientific pursuits, and TIM ends up indoctrinated.
The end of ME2 should be the battle to defeat TIM, and in the end, and throughout the game, all that Shep and his team learn/discover about the Reapers and their tech leads them to a theoretical means of destroying the Reapers.
Then in ME3, Shep and team has to implement said plan, dealing with the Reaper invasion, and so on. And hopefully, they would have come up with an ending that made sense, one that did not destroy all sense of narrative cohesion.
The ME3 ending would have only one solution to the Reapers: destroy. But for the characters, and the various species, many endings would be available based on all the decisions made up till the end: who lives, who dies, who hooks up with whom, etc. And the ME3 final mission could have been an epic thing with multiple stages using all your squads for various specialized tasks, like it was in ME2, but with a greater variety of gameplay aspects (mini-bosses, car chases or whatever, something that gives us diversity like we got in LotSB).
Also, they could have spent 2 and 3 developing more fully the ME1 LI (or Shep could dump the ME1 LI and be a philanderer, however the player wanted to go).
ME2 was just disconnected, and really was the beginning of ME trilogy's narrative collapse. For this reason, I am tempted to say that ME2 was the worst of the three...but I'm so unhappy about the ME3 ending that I find it difficult to say ME2 was the worst.
So yes, ME2 had a story. The problem, though, is that it was a story that did not really belong. ME2 should have gone something like this:
Open with Shep fighting the remnants of the geth and learning, from the very beginning, about the geth/heretics/Reaper relationship. Legion should be joining very early, and this part of ME1 should be closed off (to a degree) by re-writing or destroying the heretics.
After this, Shep will be sent to search out and respond and acquire anything that even smacks of reaper tech, in a desperate attempt by the council races to find some way to deal with a potential Reaper invasion. During this process, Shep bumps into Cerberus doing the same thing, except Cerberus ends up being a bit reckless and immoral with their experimentation and scientific pursuits, and TIM ends up indoctrinated.
The end of ME2 should be the battle to defeat TIM, and in the end, and throughout the game, all that Shep and his team learn/discover about the Reapers and their tech leads them to a theoretical means of destroying the Reapers.
Then in ME3, Shep and team has to implement said plan, dealing with the Reaper invasion, and so on. And hopefully, they would have come up with an ending that made sense, one that did not destroy all sense of narrative cohesion.
The ME3 ending would have only one solution to the Reapers: destroy. But for the characters, and the various species, many endings would be available based on all the decisions made up till the end: who lives, who dies, who hooks up with whom, etc. And the ME3 final mission could have been an epic thing with multiple stages using all your squads for various specialized tasks, like it was in ME2, but with a greater variety of gameplay aspects (mini-bosses, car chases or whatever, something that gives us diversity like we got in LotSB).
Also, they could have spent 2 and 3 developing more fully the ME1 LI (or Shep could dump the ME1 LI and be a philanderer, however the player wanted to go).
ME2 was just disconnected, and really was the beginning of ME trilogy's narrative collapse. For this reason, I am tempted to say that ME2 was the worst of the three...but I'm so unhappy about the ME3 ending that I find it difficult to say ME2 was the worst.
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easygame88 wrote...
ME2 was the worst actually, though ME3 wasn't much better.
I agree with you. Mass Effect 2 is my least favorite. ME2, has a boring/pointless plot and generic cover shootergameplay. ME3 may have had bad ending(bad final act), but at least it was back to the reaper threat that ME1
ended on. Like Resident Evil 4, Mass Effect 2 , will be thought to be to most popular in the series, because it broke away from it's roots and brought alot of casuals into the series.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 03:55
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I think so, easily. Even without counting the ending. A lot of the writing was dumb (Rachni) or characters who were out of character (aka Legion), the side quests were mostly lame scanning, which I honestly didn't mind but that was about it. Your decisions didn't matter from previous games or even hardly this game, and a lot of the decisions were streamlined and autodialoged. The whole kid in the dream thing, just as an example.
The combat was improved... somewhat, but Mass Effect was never best at being a shooter game anyway! In fact I sort of like Mass Effect 1's combat better: it's a lot clunkier and ME 3's is far, far more polished but it's also more streamlined. Just duck here and shoot in tiny areas, repeat repeat repeat. Mass Effect 1's combat was a little messy and the controls were stiff but you had a lot more freedom and different ways to approach combat. It wasn't perfect but... yeah. ME 2 was more similar to ME 3 and also felt a bit dry at times. But that's alright, as combat was never supposed to be the highlight of the game anyway.
Multiplayer was fun for a little while at least, and of course the voice acting was top notch. Overall though I'd say ME 3 was not HORRIBLE but more so mediocre and incredibly disappointing.
Really I'd say:
ME 2 > ME 1 >>>>> ME 3
ME 2 and 1 had their issues: leveling up in ME 2 was lame, the inventory screen and stiff controls of ME 1 were a nightmare: the environments in both range from alright to dull, especially ME 1 and the checkpoints were beyond horrific... but most of that has to do with the combat and as I said, combat was never the bread and butter of the ME series.
The combat was improved... somewhat, but Mass Effect was never best at being a shooter game anyway! In fact I sort of like Mass Effect 1's combat better: it's a lot clunkier and ME 3's is far, far more polished but it's also more streamlined. Just duck here and shoot in tiny areas, repeat repeat repeat. Mass Effect 1's combat was a little messy and the controls were stiff but you had a lot more freedom and different ways to approach combat. It wasn't perfect but... yeah. ME 2 was more similar to ME 3 and also felt a bit dry at times. But that's alright, as combat was never supposed to be the highlight of the game anyway.
Multiplayer was fun for a little while at least, and of course the voice acting was top notch. Overall though I'd say ME 3 was not HORRIBLE but more so mediocre and incredibly disappointing.
Really I'd say:
ME 2 > ME 1 >>>>> ME 3
ME 2 and 1 had their issues: leveling up in ME 2 was lame, the inventory screen and stiff controls of ME 1 were a nightmare: the environments in both range from alright to dull, especially ME 1 and the checkpoints were beyond horrific... but most of that has to do with the combat and as I said, combat was never the bread and butter of the ME series.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 03:57
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I don't find it being the worst, by far. I love the whole trilogy, but if I have to pick a "weakest link", then I'd pick ME2.
To me it's ME1>ME3>ME2... but don't get me wrong, I love them all and I treat them as a whole.
To me it's ME1>ME3>ME2... but don't get me wrong, I love them all and I treat them as a whole.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 03:58
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It is by far the worst in the series. And no, not because of the ending.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 03:59
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Worst is a terrible word for this.
A better way to say it would be that ME1 and ME2 are better
A better way to say it would be that ME1 and ME2 are better
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No, that title belongs to Mass Effect 2 aka Shepard the Space Jesus aka Pokemon in Space aka Barbarella with Aliens aka Daddy didnt love me.
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 04:06
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Calinstel wrote...
ME2 : Best for character interaction.
Lol. The game with the least amount of squad banter of them all is the one that has the best character interaction. Oh dear...
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 04:08
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On a technical level, no. But for everything that actually matters, then yes, ME3 is the worst. Forced emotion, heavy handed plot contrivance, dismantling the threat of the main enemy (even all but replacing the main enemy with Cerberus), disregarding choices made in previous games (like the rachni), meaningless EMS system, lack of development for almost every character in the game who isn't in the squad at some point, repeating plot lines that have been concluded, and replacing the main thematic set with an entirely new set at the end.
Did I get everything?
Did I get everything?
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Posté 09 décembre 2012 - 04:17
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o Ventus wrote...
On a technical level, no. But for everything that actually matters, then yes, ME3 is the worst. Forced emotion, heavy handed plot contrivance, dismantling the threat of the main enemy (even all but replacing the main enemy with Cerberus), disregarding choices made in previous games (like the rachni), meaningless EMS system, lack of development for almost every character in the game who isn't in the squad at some point, repeating plot lines that have been concluded, and merl lacing thematic set with an entirely new set at the end.
Did I get everything?
Kailengatang,SuperMac.
