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[tonnactus]

Barquiel wrote...

Why do people think ME2 had the best character interaction? Most squadmates felt disconnected from the story...only Miranda and Mordin had lines that were driving the plot. Every character has his/her 15 minutes of fame before you could forget him/her. The ME3 squadmates (except Ashley) have more dialogue AND they talk to each other.

Of course. The "characters" only existed for Doctor Shepard to solve their "issues". Characters that know each other,like Liara and Garrus not even ackknowledged each other.
Barely any squadbanter and no teambuilding.
Mass Effect 2 is a joke as a "character driven" game. A bad one.

Modifié par tonnactus, 09 décembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[spirosz]

tonnactus wrote...

Of course. The "characters" only existed for Doctor Shepard to solve their "issues". Characters that know each other,like Liara and Garrus not even ackknowledged each other.

Mass Effect 2 is a joke as a "character driven" game. A bad one.

Your argument is a "joke."  A bad one.  

[o Ventus]

spirosz wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

On a technical level, no. But for everything that actually matters, then yes, ME3 is the worst. Forced emotion, heavy handed plot contrivance, dismantling the threat of the main enemy (even all but replacing the main enemy with Cerberus), disregarding choices made in previous games (like the rachni), meaningless EMS system, lack of development for almost every character in the game who isn't in the squad at some point, repeating plot lines that have been concluded, and merl lacing thematic set with an entirely new set at the end.

Did I get everything?

Kailengatang,SuperMac.

I meant. Besides. The obvious.

/Dietz

[GreyLycanTrope]

It had it's shares of pros and cons like the previous installments. Really was the last few minutes that wrecked the experience for me.

[F4H bandicoot]

3 was generic, 1 and 2 are vastly superior in my eyes.

[crimzontearz]

Only in respect to its effect on me

[Dean_the_Young]

o Ventus wrote...

On a technical level, no. But for everything that actually matters, then yes, ME3 is the worst. Forced emotion, heavy handed plot contrivance, dismantling the threat of the main enemy (even all but replacing the main enemy with Cerberus), disregarding choices made in previous games (like the rachni), meaningless EMS system, lack of development for almost every character in the game who isn't in the squad at some point, repeating plot lines that have been concluded, and replacing the main thematic set with an entirely new set at the end.

Did I get everything?

Until the EMS piece, I thought you were talking about ME2. Afterwards, I still wasn't sure.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 09 décembre 2012 - 04:33 .

[AlanC9]

Calinstel wrote...
Character interaction, with Shepard.
How many times in ME3 (looking at Ashley on the Normandy) did you actually have a conversation with them instead of listening to them talking to another character then getting blown off by "Not right now."?
Shepard, being you in the game, barely had any conversations with the crew.  At least to me.

Someone really needs to do a full count of these. When I did counts for a couple of characters I found that ME 3 had more convos, and the one-liners and conversations between squadmates come on top of that. But I may not have looked at the right characters.

[SlottsMachine]

tonnactus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Why do people think ME2 had the best character interaction? Most squadmates felt disconnected from the story...only Miranda and Mordin had lines that were driving the plot. Every character has his/her 15 minutes of fame before you could forget him/her. The ME3 squadmates (except Ashley) have more dialogue AND they talk to each other.

Of course. The "characters" only existed for Doctor Shepard to solve their "issues". Characters that know each other,like Liara and Garrus not even ackknowledged each other.
Barely any squadbanter and no teambuilding.
Mass Effect 2 is a joke as a "character driven" game. A bad one.

Maybe because the majority of squad interactions in ME3 are just listening to them drone about the war.  

[tonnactus]

Calinstel wrote...
Character interaction, with Shepard.
How many times in ME3 (looking at Ashley on the Normandy) did you actually have a conversation with them instead of listening to them talking to another character then getting blown off by "Not right now."?
Shepard, being you in the game, barely had any conversations with the crew.  At least to me.

After each main mission? Not really that different from the previous games and it prevents that they have nothing to say anymore early in the game.(prevents repetition of dialogue to).
And its actually not that bad that they dont stop everything they do for Shepard.
And well,Ashley? Dialogue in the mars mission,dialogue in the Hospital. Its still better then Garrus doing his calibrations all the time.

Modifié par tonnactus, 09 décembre 2012 - 04:56 .

[MegaSovereign]

ME2>ME3>ME1

IMO, ofcourse.

[Raizo]

Calinstel wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Calinstel wrote...


ME2 : Best for character interaction.

Lol. The game with the least amount of squad banter of them all is the one that has the best character interaction. Oh dear...

Character interaction, with Shepard.
How many times in ME3 (looking at Ashley on the Normandy) did you actually have a conversation with them instead of listening to them talking to another character then getting blown off by "Not right now."?
Shepard, being you in the game, barely had any conversations with the crew.  At least to me.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this, I was beginning to get worried, I was always complaining about something and to the best of my knowledge I was the only one who noticed it. There is alot of squadmate dialogue in ME3 but when it comes to comes to actual conversations between Shepard and these squadmates I find that ME3 isn't any better than ME2. Alot of the 'dialogue' on the Normandy is the Shepard walking up to a character, the gamer pressing the action button, said squadmate saying somthing ( more often than not a one liner ) and then getting anothe prompt to press the action button again. In terms of written/voice acted dialogue in ME3 there is alot and most of it is very high quality stuff but in terms of charcters interacting with Shepard ( proper back and forth conversations ) ME3 is lacking.

[4stringwizard]

Short answer - yes.  It's sad to say because on its own, it's not a bad game. If it wasn't part of a trilogy I would have thought it was pretty darn good. However, it's bad in the sense that it doesn't live up to the previous two. Lies were told, and too many things that the fans loved were changed for the sake of appealing to the GoW and CoD audience.

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 09 décembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Bizantura]

Not respecting the "Sine Wave" to the end = why so many feel betrayed by the ending seriously hampers the game but no it still doesn't make ME3 a bad game compared to other products.

[LinksOcarina]

Does it really matter?

The entire trilogy is still damn good.

[Barquiel]

Calinstel wrote...

Raizo wrote...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this, I was beginning to get worried, I was always complaining about something and to the best of my knowledge I was the only one who noticed it. There is alot of squadmate dialogue in ME3 but when it comes to comes to actual conversations between Shepard and these squadmates I find that ME3 isn't any better than ME2. Alot of the 'dialogue' on the Normandy is the Shepard walking up to a character, the gamer pressing the action button, said squadmate saying somthing ( more often than not a one liner ) and then getting anothe prompt to press the action button again. In terms of written/voice acted dialogue in ME3 there is alot and most of it is very high quality stuff but in terms of charcters interacting with Shepard ( proper back and forth conversations ) ME3 is lacking.

Oh, you are definitely not the only one. 

Depends on the character. Garrus, Liara, EDI and James have several conversations with Shep on the Normandy/Citadel (more than the ME2 squaddies, I think). But you're right, Ashley or Kaiden don't have much to say after the coup attempt.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

MegaSovereign wrote...

ME2>ME3>ME1

IMO, ofcourse.

I agree. I enjoyed the gameplay and character interaction in ME3. It's just that ME3 unfortunately is full of wasted potential, which is disappointing considering that many of the things bioware cut would have actually greatly enhance the overall game.

[nikki191]

im in two minds about it.. up to the end it was my favourite game in 33 years of gaming and afterwards it retroactively destroyed my interest in the entire game universe.

ive left it months now and thought i would try and replay it. even though the extended cut fixed the issues i had for the most part yeah there is no excitement, no interest for me

ive never experienced something like this with a game before. impressive that bioware managed to achieve that

[Dean_the_Young]

Calinstel wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Calinstel wrote...
Character interaction, with Shepard.
How many times in ME3 (looking at Ashley on the Normandy) did you actually have a conversation with them instead of listening to them talking to another character then getting blown off by "Not right now."?
Shepard, being you in the game, barely had any conversations with the crew.  At least to me.

Someone really needs to do a full count of these. When I did counts for a couple of characters I found that ME 3 had more convos, and the one-liners and conversations between squadmates come on top of that. But I may not have looked at the right characters.

Total count?  I never look at the total count.  I look at the interactions of the Character with Shepard (myself).  I say myself because I am the one playing the game, not another Character.  Too many darned Zaeed/Kasumi statements in ME3 for my tastes.

Character interaction with other characters was actually pretty darn good but it came at the expense of Character interaction with Shepard.

In ME1 and ME2, Shepard (myself) seemed to actually be IN the conversations as well.  In ME3, Shepard (NOT myself) just went his own merry way when he actually could converse.
I really miss my Shepard.

You're Shepard didn't box with Vega, didn't talk with him at the work area besides boxing, talk to him at the Citadel praesidium, talk to him at the Batarian parlor, didn't talk to him at the Cabin about being an N7, didn't talk to him at the Batarrian tatoo parlor? Because those are all times when your Shepard can have a one-on-one discussion with the character, without resorting to ambiant dialogue.

It's not like this is unique to James either. Multiple conversation opportunities in the hospital and then at least one more for the Virmire survivor, EDI's regular questions, talks on Ship and on the Citadel with just about everyone if you just bothered to try...

Maybe you wouldn't miss your Shepard so much if your Shepard wasn't so lazy.

[justafan]

Yes, but only in that ME1 and ME2 were masterpieces of gaming. ME3 was pretty good, but the ending and several smaller issues tarnished the overall experience.

Modifié par justafan, 09 décembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[10K]

ME3 was the worst IMO. ME was about the characters and the player's interaction with the universe and everything. Then ME3 came and killed all of that with it's auto-dialogue. Not to mention Shepard's I.Q. went down a whole 10 points, he became an idiot.