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[Lookout1390]

ME3 is the worst because I average out story/characters/gameplay.

ME1 was great story/characters/gameplay wise.

ME2 was great characters/gameplay wise

ME3 other than Tuchanka/Rannoch sucked. Characters sucked because my favorite ones die and I can't do anything about it.

Music was nice though.

I'm going to leave it at that.

Also, ME3 was probably the most anti-climatic thing I have played in my entire video-game backlog.

Modifié par Lookout1390, 10 décembre 2012 - 06:01 .

[Fixers0]

 Choices having absolutly no meaningless consequence is an exteremly frustrating aspect of Mass effect which I dmittedly failed to mention in my list as to why mass effect 3 is specifically the worst game, but now that we're unto the subject, let's just take a look at some seemingly major choices throughout the narrative and why  their outcome feels so unrewarding: 

(1.0) ME2: I encourged the quarians not to go to war. ME3: But now they did.  
(2.0) ME2: I destroyed the possible hopes for a genophage cure:.ME3: But now there is one.
(3.0) ME2: I rewrote/destroyed the Heretics to prevent the geth from joining the Reapers. ME3:Now they went voluntary
(4.0) ME2: I destroyed the collector base to keep Reaper tech out of Tim's hands: ME3: He gets it anyway.
(5.0) ME2: I saved the collector base to learn more about Reaper tech. ME3: Irrelvant in Mass Effect 3's plot.
(6.0) ME2: Character X died or is otherwise absent ME3, Every character has a subsitue or is otherwise absent.

Not that mention that if you don't do certain loyalty mission at all (Mordin's), the narrative doesn't seem to be affected in the least bit.

And I think this makes it clear that bioware should focus less on meaningless fetch quests, and useless guns, but more on a diverging narrative.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Yes.

While I have always been heavily critical of ME2's plot. We had interesting and rewarding character missions take up the vast majority of the game. ME3's narrative was inconsistent, sloppy and downright awful on more than a few occasions. Evidently, the game was rushed and it shows. Despite their flaws, ME3 is easily the worst of the three.

[George Costanza]

Yeah probably. Gameplay was spiced up, but shooting things was always the least attractive part of the game to me anyway. Storyline wise it's a bit of a trainwreck from start to finish. It doesn't carry the emotional weight that it should at the end thanks to the ludicrous endings. Many things don't make sense.

ME2 comes out best for me - it balances good gameplay with a story told in a compelling way. It's also got an outstanding last act that rewards/punishes you based on how you've played and the decisions you've made.

Going on story alone, the first is still the best.

[fchopin]

ME2 is the worst.

[clarkusdarkus]

ME3 worst of the series, worst game 2012 and known for putting me off the series and added another nail in the coffin of bioware products i'll purchase along with DA2/TOR

[Anacronian Stryx]

ME 2 is the worst, Me 2 is about nothing, You could completely remove ME 2 and there would be no difference in the story line - ME 3 (flawed as it is) is at lest about something story wise.

[AllThatJazz]

IMO, the games are pretty much on par but for different reasons. I enjoyed the combat in ME3 the most, it has some of my favourite levels (Tuchanka, Grissom Academy, AY Monastery) and I loved the urgency of the storyline and the way the main sidequests tied into that. I also thought there were some fantastic moments between Shep and crew, and between the crew themselves. But ohhh, dat ending And too much autodialogue. And Insanity is a bit too easy.

ME2 had the best cast of squadmates, and the most interesting dynamic with Cerberus, a few nice non-combat missions, and the Hammerhead which I found a lot of fun. Plus the suicide mission was incredible. But weak overall storyline, antagonists (Collectors) I wasn't very interested in, horrid 'Mission Over' screens at the end of levels, and boring mini-games. Also, more streamlined than ME1 or 3 in terms of skill/power progression imo.

ME1's main quest was the one I found most enjoyable overall, and had the best sense of exploration, and I loved the Mako. Still my favourite skill/weapon/power progression of all three games. It also gets nostalgia points for being the intro to the trilogy and the universe. But head-smackingly frustrating and clumsy combat, some really boring planets to drive around, and re-use of assets almost as bad as DA2s. And an inventory that was painful to manage (this coming from someone who loves a bit of inventory shuffling).

So for me they're all the worst. And the best.

[Someone With Mass]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

ME 2 is the worst, Me 2 is about nothing, You could completely remove ME 2 and there would be no difference in the story line - ME 3 (flawed as it is) is at lest about something story wise.

I'd rather take ME2's story instead of ME3's any day, every day.

Seeing how I actually enjoyed playing through ME2 and recruiting people, while the story in ME3 kept giving me headaches because of how f**king stupid it was.

You can remove ME3 as a whole from the trilogy and absolutely nothing of value will be lost. If anything, it'd be preserved.

[fchopin]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'd rather take ME2's story instead of ME3's any day, every day.

You can take ME2 if you like but you will need a magnifying glass to find a story in the game.

[spirosz]

fchopin wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'd rather take ME2's story instead of ME3's any day, every day.

You can take ME2 if you like but you will need a magnifying glass to find a story in the game.

"The Collector's are attacking", okay cool, let's go pick up some meaningful characters on our way!  

[EnvyTB075]

fchopin wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'd rather take ME2's story instead of ME3's any day, every day.

You can take ME2 if you like but you will need a magnifying glass to find a story in the game.

Reapers are rounding up humans to create a new Reaper to replace the one that was destroyed in ME1. Theres your plot, simplified.

Of course it would've been nice if it did make sense, but nothing BioWare has done recently makes sense.

[spirosz]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I'd rather take ME2's story instead of ME3's any day, every day.

You can take ME2 if you like but you will need a magnifying glass to find a story in the game.

Reapers are rounding up humans to create a new Reaper to replace the one that was destroyed in ME1. Theres your plot, simplified.

Of course it would've been nice if it did make sense, but nothing BioWare has done recently makes sense.

Truth.  

[stonbw1]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

ME 2 is the worst, Me 2 is about nothing, You could completely remove ME 2 and there would be no difference in the story line - ME 3 (flawed as it is) is at lest about something story wise.

This.  ME2 isn't bad (and is real good as to gameplay and visuals) I just don't know why ME2 had to exist, story-wise. 

[pablosplinter]

Playing ME3 atm, there is one thing that is really annoying me....everyone keeps using the word 'war' far, far too often. Pretty much every sentence has the line "this war" in it!it is just something that has started to grate me for some reaosn:P..I can't put my finger on why

...also I am sick and tired of Hackett popping up every 5 seconds. Liked Leviathan though.

Modifié par pablosplinter, 10 décembre 2012 - 05:06 .

[tonnactus]

Bull****.There wasnt even any hint why the human reaper was built and why the Collectors tried to built it before the reaper arrived.Stop pulling things out your asses.

[3DandBeyond]

Many pinnacles within each ME game. The lows in ME3 tend to destroy those pinnacle moments. ME3 needed to remember the awesome subtlety of the moments following the suicide mission and what they had created that became important. We as Shepard began to care about people and in ME2, finish the suicide mission and then see that those people care about Shepard as well. And then Shepard solidifies what matters by rejecting TIM in a very awesome moment. ME3 had some of this but that was smashed at the end. ME was like the culmination of a great and beautiful forest that began with some seeds that were allowed to grow, were tended and nurtured. In ME3, at the end, the forest is burned with a cleansing fire that is apparently all the writers knew how to do, because they said they couldn't write it any other way (unless you count the EC as some other way). They fell back on the idea that they only did what they were meant to do.

[Baihu1983]

Yes.

[CronoDragoon]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

ME 2 is the worst, Me 2 is about nothing, You could completely remove ME 2 and there would be no difference in the story line - ME 3 (flawed as it is) is at lest about something story wise.

ME2 is about the characters. It doesn't contribute much to the overall storyline, no. I never found the overall storyline interesting, however. It's just a bunch of sci-fi cliche. For BioWare games the characters is where it's at.

This also makes ME2 the most replayable for me since it's the most self-contained game.

[someguy1231]

Here's how I'd evaluate the games:

ME1: worst combat, mediocre characters, best overall story
ME2: good combat, best characters, mediocre overall story (too out-of-focus compared to characters)
ME3: best combat, worst characters, worst overall story (and not just because of the ending, also hated that Cerberus got turned into a two-dimensional bad guys)

[AlanC9]

Linkenski wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Yes, I know what you're talking about. I mean the total count of interactions with Shepard. 

You think that ME3 has less interactions with Shepard, and I think you're simply wrong about that. It's got the same amount plus the one liners and the squadmate-squadmate interactions. Didn't I say that?

Like I said, we need an actual count. Easy enough to do from YouTube if someone's already done compiled convos from ME3 -- I think IGN already has all ME2 squadmate interactions neatly packaged.

Edit: but even if ME3 has fewer intereactive convos than ME2, I still prefer its allocation of the word count. The squadmates have things to say at more different times, and when they don't have anything to say I don't get into a convo where Shepard's told to go away because Garrus has to do more calibrations.

I agree to that having the interactive convos spread out more throughout the game is good, but then there are the non-interactive convos where shepard replies in Autodialogue. That could've potentially been an interactive convo with two or three dialog options. Why didn't they make it like that?

Because they don't have infinite resources.

ME3 already has substantially more dialogue than ME2. I think it has a lot more than ME1, but since I don't have ME1 installed at the moment I can't back that up with real data.

And why the heck can't i at least redo the investigate convos, after the first missions?

I think the design intent is for the player not have to ration out the conversations for himself. Doing that is one of the things I didn't like about DA:O camp conversations. Depending on the NPC I could burn out all of their topics long before the end of the game.

Squadmates are like Kasumi and Zaeed in ME2 most of the time.

I suppose so. Beats being like Garrus in ME2 most of the time. Calibrations, anyone?

This strikes me as being somewhat related the negative reaction to the "fetch" quests -- a misomer since you're mostly not told where to get the thing. Anyway, quests like Citadel: Heating Unit Stabilizers, Kite's Nest: Pillars of Strength, and the like. Sure, some of these could have been made into full missions, if ME3 was going to be a 50 hour game. But it wasn't going to be a 50 hour game. It was going to be about as long as the other games.

[Fredvdp]

It's a great game, but the bar was set really high by ME1 & ME2, and ME3 didn't meet it.

[TommyNg]

ME1 is the worst but its still great game, just need to upgrade its graphic and combat system

[in it for the lolz]

ME 3 is the worst by FAR.

[BlackCat]

Yes

Illusive Man's clone troopers.
Combat consists of: Cerberus, Cerberus, Reapers, Cerberus Cerberus...
Barely any REAL side missions.
Only one hub world.
Kai Leng.
Auto dialogue is a travesty.