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[Ethical Scabs]

 I want to go AW/Shapeshifter, and try to tank as the bear.  I realize this is gimped.

I'm merely requesting ideas on how to make it less gimpy.

put points purely in Magic and Dex?

What gear should I use?

[termokanden]

Well people are saying that the Shapershifter forms use strength, so you'd have to boost your strength.



But really, Shapershifter and AW work against each other. They are two different takes on a melee/mage hybrid, and sadly AW is just better at everything.



I read some posts earlier about Shapeshifter, and the consensus was that it is indeed too weak. I don't think anyone actually managed to claim otherwise. You can use it for fun, but it won't be easy to ungimp.

[SusanStoHelit]

Yep. Shapeshifter is supposed to use spellpower for its damage calculations - and doesn't. It uses strength instead. I'd seriously advising waiting until they patch it - if they ever do.



If you really want to play as one, though, for roleplaying and don't want to wait, then I'd avoid arcane warrior. The two just don't mesh. Go for spirit healer or blood mage instead so you can cast decently while not in animal form.



There are some mods out there for pc users which make shapeshifting faster or instant instead of the long casting time.



You'll need to build magic and strength both, and possibly some will. Its hard to say, because as soon as people realise how screwed up it is they respec or restart. So I don't think you'll get stats or anything except by trial and error. Playing with a character that is sub-optimal is one thing, playing with a total suckfest is another.

[Vazura]

Hmm, what about just getting the first Arcane Warrior skill, and maxing out Shapeshifting? You can then equip some really good massive armor and be a decent tank in bereskarn form.

[Cybercat999]

You can never be a half decent tank as warrior with Threaten/Taunt and you can never do any damage worth mentioning. So what is the point in gimping a mage that can use some 15 good offensive/CC/healing spells into an animal that can use 3 half assed abilities?

Imo the better choice is to spec Leli into ranger and get the same thing as an additional party member.

[Ethical Scabs]

I was thinking you'd start a fight by popping off some hexes(for threat) then armor up and bear up. Should be pretty hard to kill.



The point would be to try something new and interesting. Sure, a fight will last 30 minutes when it should have been 2, but I'd be able to say I did it. I'm just trying to find a way to make it LESS gimpy than it would be.



AW would indeed be there only for the stat boosts and the first skill to equip massive armor. I'm really curious what kind of armor value I can get this way; I'd eventually go to the top of AW for fade shroud.



They'll fix the damage bug eventually right? Make it so that Magic is what determines your damage instead of strength?

[Clintster75]

Do your sustained abilities even stay on when you shapeshift? If so I'd say a bear with shimmering shield, rock armor, arcane shield, miasma, and maybe something else would be pretty good at tanking. But until they patch the strength problem AW + shapeshifter is seriously broke. You would need to spread points around in magic, strength, and willpower which would gimp both AW and shapeshifter...

[Ethical Scabs]

Clintster75 wrote...

Do your sustained abilities even stay on when you shapeshift? If so I'd say a bear with shimmering shield, rock armor, arcane shield, miasma, and maybe something else would be pretty good at tanking. But until they patch the strength problem AW + shapeshifter is seriously broke. You would need to spread points around in magic, strength, and willpower which would gimp both AW and shapeshifter...

Sustainables are a no go.  AW would be only for the passives.

I'm thinking currently you'd have to win every fight through sheer durability--doing only a few damage at a time,  but being able to outlast that which you face.

Pop out of bear occassionally for a heal, and get back to it.

[Ethical Scabs]

Do status effects/activated abilities follow you through transformation?

Could I get away with casting Heroic Defense and then going bear for the duration?

Modifié par Ethical Scabs, 07 janvier 2010 - 05:19 .

[Cybercat999]

I dont know. Tanking doesnt mean just getting invincible with massive armor and health, you have to keep aggro on yourself too and that you can only do with taunting abilities (that you dont have) or good damage (that you cant do). I dont think any kind of armor will keep aggro on you soon your other mage or rogue dishes some serious dps.

So in order for shapeshifter to be a good tank you should basically gimp the damage of your entire party.

[Ethical Scabs]

Cybercat999 wrote...

I dont know. Tanking doesnt mean just getting invincible with massive armor and health, you have to keep aggro on yourself too and that you can only do with taunting abilities (that you dont have) or good damage (that you cant do). I dont think any kind of armor will keep aggro on you soon your other mage or rogue dishes some serious dps.
So in order for shapeshifter to be a good tank you should basically gimp the damage of your entire party.

Sorry, i should have said that I am starting to think of going solo now.  It will be a very slow process with hours and hours of auto-attack,  but could be amusing to be invulnerable in such a gimped manner.

edit: but this is a great idea... an entire party of defense.  Win by forcing the enemy to bash themselves against your great wall repeatedly.... for hours.

Damage only allowed from auto-attack and other defensive items.

Modifié par Ethical Scabs, 07 janvier 2010 - 05:26 .

[Zecele]

Sustainables are a no go. AW would be only for the passives.

I might be missing something but none of the AW passives work unless combat magic is active which is a sustainable so if sustainables are a no go......

[Ethical Scabs]

Zecele wrote...

Sustainables are a no go. AW would be only for the passives.

I might be missing something but none of the AW passives work unless combat magic is active which is a sustainable so if sustainables are a no go......

Oi I didn't realize fade shroud was only while Combat Magic was active.

That'd mean the only purpose of AW would be for Combat Magic to equip armor.  hmmmm.....

I wonder if equipped weapons/shields have any effect while shapeshifted?

[Eragondragonrider]

I have soloed the game on nightmare with a shapershift, most of the stats for bear form are kind of weird, its pretty much the same stats for a warrior tank, which if your using AW to get the armor your gimping the build by putting points into magic to wear the armor, when you could just be putting to points in strength to wear the armor any ways. I found that a could secondary specialization was bloodmagic so I could heal myself with drainlife if needed.

[Ethical Scabs]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

I have soloed the game on nightmare with a shapershift, most of the stats for bear form are kind of weird, its pretty much the same stats for a warrior tank, which if your using AW to get the armor your gimping the build by putting points into magic to wear the armor, when you could just be putting to points in strength to wear the armor any ways. I found that a could secondary specialization was bloodmagic so I could heal myself with drainlife if needed.

okay.  I was thinking of Magic so you could pop out and be somewhat effective/versatile.

Honestly, a strength/dex build would be amusing.

[Eragondragonrider]

Ethical Scabs wrote...

okay.  I was thinking of Magic so you could pop out and be somewhat effective/versatile.

Honestly, a strength/dex build would be amusing.

I wanted a challege so I really didn't worry about magic unless it was to get what i need for shapeshifting and bloodmagic, was kind of boring just auto attacking everything but made for some interesting boss fights. Reminds me of being a druid in wow so I left my strength at 25 to wear rogue leather, put con at 30 and the rest went to dex had somewhere are around 100 dex by lvl 25.

Modifié par Eragondragonrider, 07 janvier 2010 - 07:45 .

[Godak]

The general consensus seems to be that shapeshifters suck harder than a high powered vacuum cleaner...

[Ethical Scabs]

Godak wrote...

The general consensus seems to be that shapeshifters suck harder than a high powered vacuum cleaner...

Indeed.  that's why I was hoping to do this.  the challenge would be amusing.

[Godak]

Ethical Scabs wrote...

Godak wrote...

The general consensus seems to be that shapeshifters suck harder than a high powered vacuum cleaner...

Indeed.  that's why I was hoping to do this.  the challenge would be amusing.

Personally, I'm more than a little disappointed. I was planning on doing a shapeshifter playthrough...Well, guess I'll just poor everything into strength and constitution (2-1 ratio?).

[Ethical Scabs]

Godak wrote...

Ethical Scabs wrote...

Godak wrote...

The general consensus seems to be that shapeshifters suck harder than a high powered vacuum cleaner...

Indeed.  that's why I was hoping to do this.  the challenge would be amusing.

Personally, I'm more than a little disappointed. I was planning on doing a shapeshifter playthrough...Well, guess I'll just poor everything into strength and constitution (2-1 ratio?).

I'm pretty certain they'll fix it down the road in a patch.

I REALLY hope they will.

I was so excited when I saw Shapeshifter,  and I really wish it didn't kill your sustainables--then any Spec combo would be viable.

Edit:  I'd also like to see if a CON build would be semi-viable anywhere at any point.

I think Dex may be better than CON,  for the same exact reasons it is with a normal tank.

Modifié par Ethical Scabs, 07 janvier 2010 - 10:56 .

[Eragondragonrider]

Con increases your hit point and there for the amount of damage you can take, where dex increases hit rate and avoidance

[Xeremius]

I was planning to try this mode on my next playthrough as a shapeshifter, with a total of 20 new forms (including a high dragon) acquired by fighting them:

http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=91

But I still don't see how AW and SS could match...