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If the Typhoon is really so good, why does it feel so underwhelming?


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It is a very class specific gun - really shines on a destroyer. I can take out a Gold Atlas in one clip ( I have a level 6 i believe). The destroyer can make it work as he can keep firing in the ramped up mode unlike the TSol who get staggered a lot.


You also can't be staggered in cover and the typhoon gives you extra DR while in cover.


proof?
how much DR would it give?

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Works well on the Destroyer and Geth Soldier... anything that has an RoF bonus helps (I know the ramp-up isn't affected by that bonus)

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I'm dying to know what the Typhoon was like originally. Biower pls.


Well, If you are willing to invest a whooping 160 points (or around $2), you can get it for single player in the pre-nerf version.


Let's put it like this, despite doing like a 3rd the damage Shepard does your squad can kill most bosses far faster than most Shepard classes could dream. Garrus drops Insanity Brutes in like 3 seconds. That Banshee Garrus and Kaiden killed while I was busy with 2 Marauders is particularly embarrasing. And that is with a level V Typhoon, I need to get around to a NG+ game so I can test X.

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A) The windup on the Typhoon is actually very short.
B) The Typhoon can actually hit things outside CQC on classes without accuracy boosts, and becomes pinpoint accurate on classes with them.
C) On a class with Marksman, even with the Typhoon your cooldown is remarkably short, and the Typhoon is a far superior choice to the Revenant in this case. 

The only point I agree with is that its damage falls behindt he PPR, while weighing more, but there are some things to consider:

1. PPR's ramp up IS significantly long (unlike the Typhoon's), making it a bit hard to use at times
2. PPR has a range limit and a longer reload than the Typhoon

That said, I would like to see Bioware buff the Typhoon, but they balance this game around camping on bronze/silver, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

i've seen a few of your posts and
no matter how much you try to defend the typhoon vs the PPR it won't ever get through because all you're doing is pointing out the few pros that you can grab without pointing out the pros of the PPR

i'm not saying the PPR is better, it could be, it probably is, but that's not what i'm saying
i'm just saying that you can't hope to convince people when you're only making half of the dissertation

 

Sigh.

I'm not pointing out the cons of the Typhoon because they're obvious and have been stated innumerable times already, usually by the same person I'm responding to.

Why is that people on this forum are so bent on taking quotes out of the context of the discussion?

FYI I actually like both weapons. The PPR took a bit to grow on me, but it's great, better than the Typhoon in terms of killing power. But the Typhoon is also awesome, the fact that it's not quite as good as the PPR doesn't make it not awesome.

It's like saying arc grenades are useless because they're not as good as inferno grenades.

Modifié par Lord_Sirian, 10 décembre 2012 - 06:25 .


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Deathsaurer wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

stayposi1990 wrote...

I'm dying to know what the Typhoon was like originally. Biower pls.


Well, If you are willing to invest a whooping 160 points (or around $2), you can get it for single player in the pre-nerf version.


Let's put it like this, despite doing like a 3rd the damage Shepard does your squad can kill most bosses far faster than most Shepard classes could dream. Garrus drops Insanity Brutes in like 3 seconds. That Banshee Garrus and Kaiden killed while I was busy with 2 Marauders is particularly embarrasing. And that is with a level V Typhoon, I need to get around to a NG+ game so I can test X.


Yeah, I made the mistake of giving Garrus max dmg evolutions (he is very squishy now) and Adas. I feel like the game plays without me on Insanity xD

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It's a boss killer, use it with marksmen/DM etc.

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I thought the consensus was that the Typhoon was terribad until it got to high level (whatever high level means, presumably X).

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Lord_Sirian wrote...


Sigh.

I'm not pointing out the cons of the Typhoon because they're obvious and have been stated innumerable times already, usually by the same person I'm responding to.

Why is that people on this forum are so bent on taking quotes out of the context of the discussion?


re-read your posts for yourself, you came in, pointed out some pros of the typhoon in response to no one
then a guy talked about the revenant and merely pointed 1 pro of the PPR and you  argued 'against' the PPR again

and even if you re-read the entire thread, even with all the posts many pros of the PPR aren't mentioned, they can be obvious all you want but if you want a proper discussion you should list all of them, and list them all into one post next to the pros of the typhoon.

my previous point still stands

Modifié par cgj, 10 décembre 2012 - 06:46 .


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I thought the consensus was that the Typhoon was terribad until it got to high level (whatever high level means, presumably X).

 

It was awesome even when I had it at level 1.

People saying it's terribad are probably terribad players.

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cgj wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...


Sigh.

I'm not pointing out the cons of the Typhoon because they're obvious and have been stated innumerable times already, usually by the same person I'm responding to.

Why is that people on this forum are so bent on taking quotes out of the context of the discussion?


re-read your posts for yourself, you came in, pointed out some pros of the typhoon in response to no one
then a guy talked about the revenant and merely pointed 1 pro of the PPR and you  argued 'against' the PPR again

and even if you re-read the entire thread, even with all the posts many pros of the PPR aren't mentioned, they can be obvious all you want but if you want a proper discussion you should list all of them, and list them all into one post next to the pros of the typhoon.

my previous point still stands



 

No actually I do NOT have to repeat what other people have already said (namely what the pros of the PPR are over the Typhoon).

If you want to waste your time saying the same things others have said to give lip service to "fairness" in a discussion, then be my guest. But don't expect others to do the same just because you want them to. 

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

I thought the consensus was that the Typhoon was terribad until it got to high level (whatever high level means, presumably X).

 

It was awesome even when I had it at level 1.

People saying it's terribad are probably terribad players.

Was that before the nerf?

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

I thought the consensus was that the Typhoon was terribad until it got to high level (whatever high level means, presumably X).

 

It was awesome even when I had it at level 1.

People saying it's terribad are probably terribad players.


My. aren't you nice.

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

cgj wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...


Sigh.

I'm not pointing out the cons of the Typhoon because they're obvious and have been stated innumerable times already, usually by the same person I'm responding to.

Why is that people on this forum are so bent on taking quotes out of the context of the discussion?


re-read your posts for yourself, you came in, pointed out some pros of the typhoon in response to no one
then a guy talked about the revenant and merely pointed 1 pro of the PPR and you  argued 'against' the PPR again

and even if you re-read the entire thread, even with all the posts many pros of the PPR aren't mentioned, they can be obvious all you want but if you want a proper discussion you should list all of them, and list them all into one post next to the pros of the typhoon.

my previous point still stands



 

No actually I do NOT have to repeat what other people have already said (namely what the pros of the PPR are over the Typhoon).

If you want to waste your time saying the same things others have said to give lip service to "fairness" in a discussion, then be my guest. But don't expect others to do the same just because you want them to. 


i don't want you to do it, i never said that, just don't be surprised if you're not very convincing

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MastahDisastah wrote...

Annomander wrote...

You also can't be staggered in cover and the typhoon gives you extra DR while in cover.


proof?
how much DR would it give?


Pretty sure it's misinformation. Not sure how it's still floating around.

The guy who originally said it had no idea that cover gave DR at the time.

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Beats me, people think Talon is great too. Haha- fools.

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Uchimura wrote...

MastahDisastah wrote...

Annomander wrote...

You also can't be staggered in cover and the typhoon gives you extra DR while in cover.


proof?
how much DR would it give?


Pretty sure it's misinformation. Not sure how it's still floating around.

The guy who originally said it had no idea that cover gave DR at the time.

 

I think the devs actually claim it does.

Whether that's true or not, who knows? The devs have no clue.

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Typhoon is op on T.sol, Quarian Soldier, GS (with HM) and Destroyer. Every class that boost precision.

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MastahDisastah wrote...

Annomander wrote...

longgamma wrote...

It is a very class specific gun - really shines on a destroyer. I can take out a Gold Atlas in one clip ( I have a level 6 i believe). The destroyer can make it work as he can keep firing in the ramped up mode unlike the TSol who get staggered a lot.


You also can't be staggered in cover and the typhoon gives you extra DR while in cover.


proof?
how much DR would it give?



I'm quoting Derek Hollan

We always have to take more in consideration than dps and weight. The combined factors of given weapons (including their passives) are also what gives them their particular niche. The Typhoon, for example, has damage reduction for the player when leaning out of cover. This is something that places it in its own category. This combined with its penetration bonus means the player doesn't need the piercing mod and can use another mod instead. So, while the pure DPS of the Typhoon might not stack up against other ARs, it does have advantages those other weapons do not.



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TxC_Denali2012 wrote...

I agree with you, although I really do want to like this gun. I want to try it on a Turian Soldier or the new Quarian under Marksman, with fire rate increase and head shot damage. I am probably grasping at straws here, but the weapon looks so cool, and I really do want to like it. Thing is, I do not like the Destroyer. Blasphemy right?


I used it with my Turian Soldier for the weekend challenge for the first time.  Took a little getting used to with the wind up in the fire rate. With the standard clip size it generally ran a full clip(100) rounds per the time of the Marksman ability.  I ran it with armor piercing and damage.  But I am gonna try it again with just armor piercing and thermal clip size and see how that works. Not a "huge" fan of it, even on silver.  But its an interesting gun to use.  Im wary of using it on gold until I get comfortable with a class/equipment for it.

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Destroyer + typhoon is my fav combo in the game.
this gun is so much fun it's just great.

the thing is this gun need some fine tunning based on which class you play and which enemy you fight against.

example, vs Geth strap some Disruptor ammunition for the fun, VS collectors I'll use warp ammo cause half their units use barriers etc...
another great thing is using on armor slot the stabilization module for extra hits, add some AR rail mod or Targeting VI if you can score headshots with ease and basically it's weapon of mass destruction.

from my experience weapons like harrier are great but low fire rate or low ammo cap is a **** which can get you killed if you are not careful and that's where the typhoon ownz the other AR.

and I tried it one time with no coldown TGI build, evil.

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sounds like peddro has a new thing to test then...

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To be honest I prefer the Revenant.

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Stardusk wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

I thought the consensus was that the Typhoon was terribad until it got to high level (whatever high level means, presumably X).

 

It was awesome even when I had it at level 1.

People saying it's terribad are probably terribad players.


My. aren't you nice.


He's so much more lovable when he's surly....

I felt like the 'nice sweet' krogan who wrote the guide thread was somebody else...

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I see a lot of questionable things on BSN, but I gotta say this "Typhoon sucks and needs a buff" myth is definitely in my top 3.

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

I'm quoting Derek Hollan

We always have to take more in consideration than dps and weight. The combined factors of given weapons (including their passives) are also what gives them their particular niche. The Typhoon, for example, has damage reduction for the player when leaning out of cover. This is something that places it in its own category. This combined with its penetration bonus means the player doesn't need the piercing mod and can use another mod instead. So, while the pure DPS of the Typhoon might not stack up against other ARs, it does have advantages those other weapons do not.


Another proof the devs have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. I guess they completely forgot about the armor damage reduction :? And how it's a bigger deal on the Typhoon than on any other weapon ....

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Feneckus wrote...

I see a lot of questionable things on BSN, but I gotta say this "Typhoon sucks and needs a buff" myth is definitely in my top 3.

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

I'm quoting Derek Hollan

We always have to take more in consideration than dps and weight. The combined factors of given weapons (including their passives) are also what gives them their particular niche. The Typhoon, for example, has damage reduction for the player when leaning out of cover. This is something that places it in its own category. This combined with its penetration bonus means the player doesn't need the piercing mod and can use another mod instead. So, while the pure DPS of the Typhoon might not stack up against other ARs, it does have advantages those other weapons do not.


Another proof the devs have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. I guess they completely forgot about the armor damage reduction :? And how it's a bigger deal on the Typhoon than on any other weapon ....


so who do we trust >< devs or our fellow testers ? this is getting confusing when i was sure the typhoon giving DR had been our imagination