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[Gibb_Shepard]

Just know that TW1 is a completely different animal to TW2. If you don't end up finishing TW1 due to boredom or excessive eye rolling (which happened to me the first time through), don't write TW2 off because of that.

[MurderHouse]

I've heard it's quite a different experience in the hardest difficulty, you have to use Alchemy and the combo cue is gone.

I haven't finished it but I thought it was still excellent despite its short comings.

Consider the Legacy of Kain/ Soul Reaver series a try sometime, if you haven't. Superb story, story telling and video games. They're last gen, I suppose, no love interests just awesomeness.

[Allan Schumacher]

After crashing the party and antagonizing the princess (which will be fun to do in the future), Geralt is now about to start an epic quest..... for better armor >.>

Will likely do some quests to rack up the 5000g.  Need something to go with my improved steel sword.


@Firky
After The Beast, I did spend some additional points in combat skills, and I am at least level 2 in every style (since bronze points are pretty plentiful) with most of the passive upgrades too.

In general I am not finding combat much of a challenge at this point.  I typically do not think to use alchemy, aside from Swallow (which is super handy), and Cat (which also has obvious utility).  I have made some oils, but have never actually applied them.

The only thing I typically remember to apply (and even then, not all that frequently) are weapon enhancements like the whetstone.


It's fun and looks cool, and is at about that comfortable level of challenging I typically enjoy for my RPG experiences (Combat is usually not a strong focus for me - also just a reminder I am playing on intermediate).  The chained moves do look very nice.  The only mode that is a bit "random" is the fist fighting, but Geralt seems to pretty pretty capable at it in any case.

Also, most of my "disdain" for Triss at this point is mostly because she's very clearly hiding something.  Although, from a meta standpoint, it's almost TOO obvious XD.  Still, at this point my Geralt finds Shani more appealing.  And that's perfectly okay because he has amnesia!

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 15 décembre 2012 - 06:24 .

[Allan Schumacher]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Okay, this game is CLEARLY camp (in that awesome sort of way).

Count De Witt: "By the power invested in me, et cetera, et cetera, I hearby .... [not important]"


I actually guffawed bumping into him and Thaler outside. Naturally, Thaler and I seem to be on the up and up (I appreciated his honesty at the party, he appreciated mine), and De Witt being De Twit is certainly making this pretty obvious.

Though, being me, I will naturally hear both sides.

[Allan Schumacher]

Whoops. It's easy for me to remember to switch to silver weapons, but the mental switch back to steel struggles. Was fighting some.... spider thing, and a salamandra assassin, and MAN did that assassin take a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time to kill.


Also, totally sided with Thaler.  De Twit is a... err... twit >.>

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 15 décembre 2012 - 06:33 .

[Khayness]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Will likely do some quests to rack up the 5000g.  Need something to go with my improved steel sword.

I've played dice poker with Thaler for 3 hours in Act II to get that.

Saving the world can wait, Geralt has some dicin' to do folks!

[Firky]

Interesting. I did a lot more on the alchemy side than weapon upgrades/enhancements, for some reason. I think needing to stop and use all that stuff made me feel more like a Witcher. (Which is good, in an RPG.) Does your difficulty have cues for chaining?

I think "camp" is probably a good description. I'd still call it "silly" but endearingly so. I don't know if it got it's "mature" reputation partly from its high rating. In Australia because we don't/didn't have an 18+ rating for games, they were both 15+. I think rating changes perception, even though it's the same game. (There was literally one consequence removed from TW2 in Aus at that was it. No other censoring at all.)

(I don't think 15+ accurately represents the game, though. It's not so much the explicit cards, or cutscenes, in TW2, just that the whole "misogyny thing" is a bit ill defined if you can't try to put it in a wider context, IMO.)

[Allan Schumacher]

Does your difficulty have cues for chaining?

It does give me the notification yes.  The game mentions that alchemy is pretty much required on the hardest difficulty level (which I am not on).

I've played dice poker with Thaler for 3 hours in Act II to get that.

Saving the world can wait, Geralt has some dicin' to do folks!

LOL.  I hadn't thought of that.  But likely will not do that.  I don't mind me some Yahtzee but I prefer to smash things with my sword

[Allan Schumacher]

Gave Alvin to Shani. I think she definitely considers me BF type since she was insanely jealous about Triss rescuing me haha.

I'm skeptical if the game will let me run with pursuing Shani, but I will see how far it lets me go.

[Wolfspawn]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Gave Alvin to Shani. I think she definitely considers me BF type since she was insanely jealous about Triss rescuing me haha.

I'm skeptical if the game will let me run with pursuing Shani, but I will see how far it lets me go.

Yeah... good luck with Shani...

Don't worry, the game allows you to romance Shani instead of Triss. Unfortunately, CDProjekt RED prefers Triss...

I've made it to Chapter IV, by the way. Also, make sure to talk to Carmen. Most interesting quest in the game (I've played yet) is started by talking to her in Chapter III.

[Allan Schumacher]

bwahahaha. I'm already regretting Shani XD

"Honey, could you spend some time with Alvin? You're his only role model!"

Whoa whoa whoa! You asked for the orphan and I delivered! Now Shani is all "I love you Geralt!" O_o

XDXD

[Allan Schumacher]

LOLWUT!?

Alvin: "I don't want to go to Oxenford University. But Shani says..."

LOL My friend on Steam: "Didn't you give her the child like 5 minutes ago?!"

"I suppose I did spend the evening drinknig with the boys."


I swear they're trying to troll me to say "You chose wrong!!!" LOL

[Costin_Razvan]

It's kinda the same with Triss ( minus sending him to school ).

As for the sex cards personally I find it all amusing though yes it's laughing at how bad it is. Also I don't think it's a case of women are made to be ****ed by Geralt but rather a case where Geralt is made to be the tool of women. 

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 15 décembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Took out the Salamandra lair in the sewers.

I do have to say, the cycling between stances has grown on me. I was a bit worried it'd seem silly that my "speedy" guy (although I'm actually quite balanced) wouldn't be able to attack a guy simply because I need to use the "strong" attack, but there's obviously something about the character design that makes it implicitly obvious what types of attacks would work best.

And even then, it's not like the "wrong" attack never works. It's just less consistently effective. When fighting a huge group of guys, it looks really freaking badass to be in group mode and smashing all around, knocking 4 of them down, quickly switching to strong attack and firing off a 3 sequence attack to kill that guy, firing off an Igni, to kill two more, while then using the speed attack to finish off the last two.


In that sense, the combat has actually become an increasingly more enjoyable aspect of the game.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 15 décembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[Nordicus]

The group style is so awesome that it's almost overpowered. In later parts of the game, adding Crinfrid Oil, which causes Pain on hit, makes it so that even massive groups of enemies will be holding their wounds in agony in a circle around you after a few hits.

So while fast and strong styles exist in Witcher 2 in the form of strong hits and fast hits that can be mixed and matched, group style was pretty much turned into a mid-game swordmanship skill tree ability

[wolfsite]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Gave Alvin to Shani. I think she definitely considers me BF type since she was insanely jealous about Triss rescuing me haha.

I'm skeptical if the game will let me run with pursuing Shani, but I will see how far it lets me go.

The game will allow it (Shani is one of the best things about TW1 honestly) however if you try to import your game into TW2 this gets ignored and you end up with Triss no matter what.  Actually importing is kind of pointless since anything that does not conform to what the developer sees as canon gets ignored.

[Dragoonlordz]

wolfsite wrote...

-snip-

I don't agree with that. Importing did impact my playthrough in a good way, those ways were subtle but present. It should not be required to change things on grand scale for it to matter. As for Shani thing, firstly I thought Allan asked for no spoilers and secondly there will always be some aspects in one that are not handled / handled well in another, TW2 is also not the last Witcher game that will be made and the writer of the Witcher books is writing yet another book in the series due to the popularity of the games, even though there is more than enough without that additional book to continue the story by CDPR. Point being even if some aspects are not concluded in second game they might still be present in the third.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 décembre 2012 - 04:49 .

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

bob_20000 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Gave Alvin to Shani. I think she definitely considers me BF type since she was insanely jealous about Triss rescuing me haha.

I'm skeptical if the game will let me run with pursuing Shani, but I will see how far it lets me go.

Yeah... good luck with Shani...

Don't worry, the game allows you to romance Shani instead of Triss. Unfortunately, CDProjekt RED prefers Triss..

So what happens if you import a TW1 save where Geralt "romances" Shani in TW2?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

bob_20000 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Gave Alvin to Shani. I think she definitely considers me BF type since she was insanely jealous about Triss rescuing me haha.

I'm skeptical if the game will let me run with pursuing Shani, but I will see how far it lets me go.

Yeah... good luck with Shani...

Don't worry, the game allows you to romance Shani instead of Triss. Unfortunately, CDProjekt RED prefers Triss..

So what happens if you import a TW1 save where Geralt "romances" Shani in TW2?

Well Allan doesn't want TW2 spoilers, but suffice to say they dropped the ball on this one.

[Addai]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In that sense, the combat has actually become an increasingly more enjoyable aspect of the game.

Exactly.    I wasn't a great fan either, especially early in the game, but overall I find it more fun and fluid and as you say, fairly intuitive while still giving you plenty of options how to approach encounters (if you count in the various oils and potions as preparation).  I also like the level up system much better than TW2.

I also love how the boss fights are not just a test of my HP versus yours but there is usually something in the environment which requires some problem solving.

Modifié par Addai67, 15 décembre 2012 - 04:52 .

[Haplose]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Does your difficulty have cues for chaining?

It does give me the notification yes.  The game mentions that alchemy is pretty much required on the hardest difficulty level (which I am not on).

On the higest difficulty setting the cursor no longer changes when you should click... but after a normal gamepaly it's not a problem at all, as you can hear it... and the rhytm is pretty obvious by then.

I've played dice poker with Thaler for 3 hours in Act II to get that.

Saving the world can wait, Geralt has some dicin' to do folks!

LOL.  I hadn't thought of that.  But likely will not do that.  I don't mind me some Yahtzee but I prefer to smash things with my sword

But... But... But.... that's by far the most effective way to earn money in TW1. I don't know if I could have ever afforded that armor were it not for several hours of dice poker. Eh... they kinda broke the dice poker in TW2 as well

[Haplose]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Took out the Salamandra lair in the sewers.

I do have to say, the cycling between stances has grown on me. I was a bit worried it'd seem silly that my "speedy" guy (although I'm actually quite balanced) wouldn't be able to attack a guy simply because I need to use the "strong" attack, but there's obviously something about the character design that makes it implicitly obvious what types of attacks would work best.

And even then, it's not like the "wrong" attack never works. It's just less consistently effective. When fighting a huge group of guys, it looks really freaking badass to be in group mode and smashing all around, knocking 4 of them down, quickly switching to strong attack and firing off a 3 sequence attack to kill that guy, firing off an Igni, to kill two more, while then using the speed attack to finish off the last two.


In that sense, the combat has actually become an increasingly more enjoyable aspect of the game.

When you're fighting a sizeable group, it rarely makes sense to switch styles. Group style is the uber style when there are more enemies then 3. If I remember correctly, in Group Style Geralt has a critical chance that gets higer with the number of enemies he's fighting. So the group style leads to many instant fatalities on enemies and a quick reduction of their numbers (as long as there are many).

[Allan Schumacher]

On the higest difficulty setting the cursor no longer changes when you should click... but after a normal gamepaly it's not a problem at all, as you can hear it... and the rhytm is pretty obvious by then.

I find I don't really look at the indicator anymore either. I probably subconsciously notice it so it still helps, but once you see the combat animation a few times it's pretty clear when to click.

When you're fighting a sizeable group, it rarely makes sense to switch styles. Group style is the uber style when there are more enemies then 3. If I remember correctly, in Group Style Geralt has a critical chance that gets higer with the number of enemies he's fighting. So the group style leads to many instant fatalities on enemies and a quick reduction of their numbers (as long as there are many).

You're right that I don't have to, and while guys are standing, I typically don't. But it does have a knockdown and once a few guys get knocked down, I switch it up. I don't have to, but it's kind of like Batman: Arkham City. I could win the fights just hitting attack and counter, but it doesn't look as awesome, nor is it as much fun.

[Allan Schumacher]

Also:

Hehehehe

[Dragoonlordz]

In fights I did not tend to care about what I was against most of the time, I would actually not even be thinking about them at all. I merely kept trying to hit the perfect rhythm on sword swings trying to get fastest combos and keep it going fast for as long as possible. It was the Guitar Hero or DDR of combat in TW1 which wasn't a bad thing as it gave me some enjoyment. I am however glad they changed it in the following game. Though slightly annoyed at how tricky is to play on K/M. I feel the second game is better suited to gamepad than K/M.