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[Cyberarmy]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I would have introduced them later in the game to preserve balance and keep them as unique items.

I actually really enjoy that concept. Perhaps they were lost or given to someone else for safe keeping during the interim between games, only to be recovered and still pretty relevant (although better equipment could be found before the end game).

+1 for this concept.

Which was very easy to do actually considering we are starting in jail having lost all our possessions. When we got them back we releaize some of our best equipment have been sold.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

One day A.Schumacher will return to Civilization V .. or KOTOR II as I'm playing it

[Haplose]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Haplose wrote...

Yes, some are imported... but legendary Witcher 1 swords with rich lore and history become mediocre Act 1 weapons in TW2... its just sad. Sure they help... very slightly at the very beginning... but that's all. Kinda takes away from the value of these weapons, which were really powerfull in TW1.

That's fair.  But at the same time part of game design (especially for RPGs) is still that sense of progression.

While I think there are some that would be quite content to think "Cool, this awesome sword I imported from the first game is still awesome.  I'm glad I imported" there will also be some that think "It's kinda silly to essentially start off with the best weapon in the entire game right from the get go...."

Well, before writing that please wait till Act IV... and the circumstances in which you can obtain one of the swords. It made it feel really.... special and important. Much moreso then any of the TW2 weapons. The sword becoming obsolete after Act 1 of TW2 was simply bad design.

Perhaps they could have slightly nerfed them and gave the possibility to upgrade the weapons in TW2, so they remain competetive throught the game... that would have been a better solution IMVO.

Or there could have been entire multi-act questlines/investigations/chases to reclaim the lost equipment after the jail.

Modifié par Haplose, 14 décembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[Allan Schumacher]

What's the point of the other weapon slots?

I have an axe and a dagger. The seem to be weapons with somewhat unique abilities, but aside from maybe putting a secondary witcher sword in one of the slots, I can't imagine choosing them over the weapons that get very clearly better with my level ups.


(although I crafted me a red meteorite sword.  +40% damage and +30% bleed on crit, yes please.  Although it only seemed to use 2 of the meteorite rocks...)

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 14 décembre 2012 - 08:11 .

[Haplose]

True, true.
Well, maybe in the beginning some effects can be nice. Some of these other weapons, blunts in particular, have a much higher stun chance... some also bleed I think. Daggers are fast... think there were some weapons with more reach too and some shieldbreakers? Not so sure anymore what was in. Obviously didn't use such weapons much.
They are mostly a novelty.... well that and if the enemy can use it... you should also be able to, right? Adds to the variety and realism.

Most importantly though, there are different killcam animations depending on what primary and secondary weapons you have equipped. I remember there were LOTS of different animations depending on weapon type.

Modifié par Haplose, 14 décembre 2012 - 09:54 .

[Allan Schumacher]

The princess needs a man to give her a proper lay? /facepalm

Also, the woman with Dandelion's lute?! /headdesk /headdesk

At least it's comically bad XD

[Wolfspawn]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The princess needs a man to give her a proper lay? /facepalm

Yeah... at that point, I was all like, "Screw you, hoe!" and me and mah broez went away... YOLO SWAG, BI...!

Holy sh*t! I lost IQ points just remembering that part... Stupid video game scene!

Game's still awesome, though.

[Allan Schumacher]

The line was actually mentioned by someone else when discussing the Princess.

But yeah, she told a putrid joke, and then when I said I was there with Triss, well, she's not the most interesting character I've ever met.

[Wolfspawn]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The line was actually mentioned by someone else when discussing the Princess.

But yeah, she told a putrid joke, and then when I said I was there with Triss, well, she's not the most interesting character I've ever met.

Was it? I don't remember that part very well, despite having played it only a couple of weeks ago. It's a ridiculous quest. The political intrigue is kind of cool, but all parts involving the princess... ugh!

Modifié par bob_20000, 14 décembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[Dave of Canada]

Thankfully the sequel moves past the horrid card collecting. My OCD and collectionist attitude towards RPGs conflicted with my better nature in the original. :-/

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 décembre 2012 - 09:42 .

[Dutchess]

I think the princess is meant to appear unstable and impulsive, so I didn't find her behavior that strange.

[Nordicus]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

What's the point of the other weapon slots?

I have an axe and a dagger. The seem to be weapons with somewhat unique abilities, but aside from maybe putting a secondary witcher sword in one of the slots, I can't imagine choosing them over the weapons that get very clearly better with my level ups.

The non-sword weapons are really weak, but I still carry a torch around in one of the slots, since it has a use outside of combat.

Witcher 2 was better at this, heck, the secret weapon you get by beating an optional secret boss is a really good staff. I also remember using a guisarme (a kind of spiked polearm) and a dwarven axe for much of Act 1.

[Dominus]

The Witcher 1 has quite a few of the So-Bad-It's-Sorta-Good lines - not as much in the second. The second to last act has 2 infamous bits I can think of. As far as weapon slots, I didn't bother outside of the Main witcher weapons and the torch.

As a shameless plug, the sequel is currently $7.49 for the next 3 hours.

Just saying.

Modifié par DominusVita, 14 décembre 2012 - 11:18 .

[Haplose]

Nordicus wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

What's the point of the other weapon slots?

I have an axe and a dagger. The seem to be weapons with somewhat unique abilities, but aside from maybe putting a secondary witcher sword in one of the slots, I can't imagine choosing them over the weapons that get very clearly better with my level ups.

The non-sword weapons are really weak, but I still carry a torch around in one of the slots, since it has a use outside of combat.

Witcher 2 was better at this, heck, the secret weapon you get by beating an optional secret boss is a really good staff. I also remember using a guisarme (a kind of spiked polearm) and a dwarven axe for much of Act 1.

Well yes, but that was possible beacuse they moved away from the chain combo system and you always strike just once per click, regardless of weapon type. The main differences were speed and reach then. Although the fast, auto-targeting rolling thrust attack you could only execute with Witcher swords was still very handy. Agreed that this staff is very nice... still I missed the mobility with the witcher swords too much to use it.

As for TW1, the torch was nice indeed. It was usefull outside combat and, if I remember correctly, could be usefull in some fights as well.

[Nordicus]

Haplose wrote...

Well yes, but that was possible beacuse they moved away from the chain combo system and you always strike just once per click, regardless of weapon type.

Yeah. Now that I think of it, letting the secondary weapons have their own combos would have balanced out a few parts of the game where status effects are more important than pure damage, and you don't have the proper oils prepared

I hope there'll be even more chances to use different weapon styles in Witcher 3, though I don't know how "true to the lore" that would be

[Firky]

I don't really get the card hate. (I'm a 30+ woman, for context.)

I'm definitely a completionist. That's part of it. Have to collect one of everything. But, I think I always just saw Geralt as kind of a tragic figure. He's sterile. The world is pretty misogynist (not Geralt necessarily.) With everyone being threatened with monsters all the time, and Geralt, monster slayer, hell. Promiscuity makes sense to me.

I guess I just saw the cards as kind of a tender window into an aspect of Geralt that paints him as kind of a sad loner, in my mind. (I'm sure many people would disagree with that interpretation, but that's how I saw it when I was playing.)

(Also, static erotic images are less confronting that moving images, in my mind. I had to close my eyes a couple of times in The Witcher 2.)

Edit: However, I will concede there were a HELL of a lot of them.

Modifié par Firky, 14 décembre 2012 - 12:47 .

[Dutchess]

Firky wrote...

I don't really get the card hate. (I'm a 30+ woman, for context.)

I'm definitely a completionist. That's part of it. Have to collect one of everything. But, I think I always just saw Geralt as kind of a tragic figure. He's sterile. The world is pretty misogynist (not Geralt necessarily.) With everyone being threatened with monsters all the time, and Geralt, monster slayer, hell. Promiscuity makes sense to me.

I guess I just saw the cards as kind of a tender window into an aspect of Geralt that paints him as kind of a sad loner, in my mind. (I'm sure many people would disagree with that interpretation, but that's how I saw it when I was playing.)

(Also, static erotic images are less confronting that moving images, in my mind. I had to close my eyes a couple of times in The Witcher 2.)

Edit: However, I will concede there were a HELL of a lot of them.

Same here (10 years younger woman ). I actually kind of liked the idea. I thought the art was pretty (yes, really), and felt like they offered a bit more detailed image of the character, because you see the same models being used for different persons. You're not really "collecting" anything, because you only get to see each card once, as a substitute for a sex scene. They don't appear in your inventory so that you can patience with them or anything like that. 

And when you stop looking at sex from a modern, western point of view, the actions make sense, both for Geralt and for the women he beds. Geralt is a lost soul. He has no memory of who he is, so he is searching. He is literally searching for his identity and for things that give meaning to his life. Seeking intimacy, even casual and fleeting, can be seen as part of that, if you choose to play Geralt that way. It's optional. You can also let him focus on wanting a life with one special person and having a family with her.

As for the women: Geralt is a famous, yet mysterious figure. That must have its allure. Many stories about the White Wolf circulate. In the life of a bored noble woman or a hard-working peasant, sex can be a welcome distraction and form of "entertainment". Geralt is sterile, so no babies afterwards. Great deal! They both know Geralt won't stay in one place for long, so no time for extensive courting (has no use either, because they wouldn't marry a Witcher anyway). 

[Nerevar-as]

Cards appear in the character page on the journal.

The princess...well, she´s not the smartest character in the game. By far. Luckily for her I liked her father, and for all her faults she didn´t deserve what they did to her.

[slimgrin]

renjility wrote...

I think the princess is meant to appear unstable and impulsive, so I didn't find her behavior that strange.

And spoiled, discontent, more or less a powerful brat. She behaves like a lot of royalty does, actually. Not saying CDPR didn't over do it with the casual sex in TW1 but Adda cracked me up. She turns out to be a genuine character in the end though.

Also, what Dominus said. TW2 for under 8 USD is a crazy deal.

Modifié par slimgrin, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[Cyberfrog81]

The cards wasn't the best idea ever, but some of them are pretty funny. Like the one with the fish.

[Addai]

renjility wrote...
Same here (10 years younger woman ). I actually kind of liked the idea. I thought the art was pretty (yes, really), and felt like they offered a bit more detailed image of the character, because you see the same models being used for different persons. You're not really "collecting" anything, because you only get to see each card once, as a substitute for a sex scene. They don't appear in your inventory so that you can patience with them or anything like that. 

And when you stop looking at sex from a modern, western point of view, the actions make sense, both for Geralt and for the women he beds. Geralt is a lost soul. He has no memory of who he is, so he is searching. He is literally searching for his identity and for things that give meaning to his life. Seeking intimacy, even casual and fleeting, can be seen as part of that, if you choose to play Geralt that way. It's optional. You can also let him focus on wanting a life with one special person and having a family with her.

As for the women: Geralt is a famous, yet mysterious figure. That must have its allure. Many stories about the White Wolf circulate. In the life of a bored noble woman or a hard-working peasant, sex can be a welcome distraction and form of "entertainment". Geralt is sterile, so no babies afterwards. Great deal! They both know Geralt won't stay in one place for long, so no time for extensive courting (has no use either, because they wouldn't marry a Witcher anyway). 

All very well said.  I took the cards in good humor myself- would go tell my husband how many wenches I'd bedded that day- and some of the art is quite good.  In general I loved all the still art in The Witcher.  Never enjoyed loading screens more than that game.

I'm not a completionist, so I did roleplay his encounters.  No Abigail, no forcing a starving elven woman to sleep with him for bread, and once he commits to someone he's mostly faithful.

[Allan Schumacher]

The problem with the cards is that they immediately make me look at the women in game as targets. This is horrible messaging IMO.

I found myself going "Does she have a card? What do I need to do to get the card?" As there's a progression mechanic, the game reinforces this perspective that all the women in the game are targets to be conquered. Coupled with the laughable circumstances where women pretty much throw themselves at Geralt, I actually find it grating. The whole scene with Shani was absolutely destroyed by the end of that arc as what could have been a tender moment turns into "I can't wait to jump Geralt's bones," not to mention the moment where Triss pretty much takes advantage of a wounded Geralt in some male fantasy wish fulfillment at the start of Chapter 3. "So I need to make sure you're fully recovered Geralt, so let me just take a page from some skin flicks and verify how manly you are." /facepalm


Sure, not everyone is going to share this perspective, but as the game went on I went from "Card mechanic is neat" to "Card mechanic makes me feel uncomfortable as it leverages my gaming tendencies of progression/collection into making me look at all the female characters in the game as targets to be conquered."

I'm not here to tell others that they should feel the same way as me, but that's the way I feel about it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I agree with Allan. I found the cards and the whole sex mechanic ridiculous, annoying and demeaning. That and 99% of female characters in TW1 were simply bad and uninteresting (being there msotly to get screwed), with the possible exception of Toruviel and Shani. Triss was bad imo and yes that sex scene in Act 3 was just creepy. Adda was ridiculous and I'm glad she wasn't in TW2.

That's TW1's major flaw. Its portrayal of women was very bad, immature and offensive. Thankfully TW2 went beyond that by miles.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 décembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[slimgrin]

Well it wouldn't be a Witcher game if it didn't rub a few people the wrong way, lol. I still feel the cards were a budget substitute for in-game cut scenes, and like Addai, I think they were well rendered. What I found unrealistic is the sheer number of women wanting to jump on Geralt. I mean he's kind of an ugly dude and an outsider, someone to be feared despite his status as a legendary swordsman. Ironically, while TW2 moved past this by drastically cutting the available shagging, it's also much more explicit. In place of cards, you get actual sex scenes which can be viewed as the same type of 'reward'.