One of the main reasons why I really enjoyed Dragon Age 2 was because the story was so different from the "traditional" BioWare story. The game had it's flaws but I very much enjoyed the very personal, down to earth feel it had to it. And I know some people will disagree with me on this, but I also loved the fact that Hawke wasn't this epic hero who just solved every problem perfectly whenever something came up. That wasn't a weakness to me, that was a strength because it made Hawke a much more believable and relatable protagonist. He/she tried his/her best but life just had a tendency to screw him/her over. So while the scale of Origins' story was certainly much grander, I think there is a lot to be said for DA2's approach to the story as well.
Why I Enjoyed Origins
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Posté 10 décembre 2012 - 09:07
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This thread is not DA3 related. I predict it will be locked in the next 24 hours. Unless, of course, everyone ties it in to DA3.
Good job minimod, your sharp mind is invaluable in these forums. You have missed nothing of my post.
What is the title of your thread? "Why I enjoyed Origins." Hmmmm. That would indicate your topic is Origins.
Until I pointed out that no one was actually talking about D3, what were people talking about? Hint: they weren't talking about D3 at all.
If anything I saved this recycled conversation by pointing out y'all better start posting something about D3 in a hurry.
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Posté 10 décembre 2012 - 09:12
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Hanz54321 wrote...
Adugan wrote...
Hanz54321 wrote...
This thread is not DA3 related. I predict it will be locked in the next 24 hours. Unless, of course, everyone ties it in to DA3.
Good job minimod, your sharp mind is invaluable in these forums. You have missed nothing of my post.
What is the title of your thread? "Why I enjoyed Origins." Hmmmm. That would indicate your topic is Origins.
Until I pointed out that no one was actually talking about D3, what were people talking about? Hint: they weren't talking about D3 at all.
If anything I saved this recycled conversation by pointing out y'all better start posting something about D3 in a hurry.
Right, now go recycle yourself somewhere.
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Posté 10 décembre 2012 - 09:34
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Medhia Nox wrote...
TCBC_Freak: Do you honestly think Hawke did the "best he/she could"?
If I saw it that way - I may have liked the story.
I honestly saw Hawke as just another witless victim to the events unfolding around him as... let's say... your average Kirkwall merchant NPC.
"I" could have done more to stop the events at the end... simply by walking to the Templars and telling them where Anders is living.
Depending on the type of Hawke you played, yes I honestly do. Why would you turn in Anders before the attack unless you played a mage hatting Hawke, or at least a Hawke who didn't like Anders. I could see if that was your Hawke why you felt robbed, because you can hate mages all you want to but can't turn in the two rogue mages in your party. It feels weird no doubt. I played a Hawke that was friends with Anders and wanted to work with both sides but then was forced, in the end, to pick a side by forces outside his control. My Hawke did the best he could.
I hope DA3 is, like I said, not too close to either DA:O or DA2. I want a new story, on a new metric. Something that strikes a balance between the two would be okay, but I'd rather it feel like it's own game, not feel like it is just "Origins but," with better graphics, a voiced protagonist, or whatever else they improve.
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 06:54
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Ahh I just finished a Dwarf Noble run, telling Anora to send support to the dwarves to reclaim the deep roads is almost as good as the mage ending. If only there were dwarf mages 
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 07:33
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DAO was about building a legend, a lowly noble/bum/mage
"Lowly noble"? The most powerful family just under royalty for the human and straight up royalty for the dwarf and you call them "lowly nobles"? Yeah, I'm sure nobles born and raised in privilege and luxury have the same bite as the mage, elf, or casteless born and raised in systematic prejudice and poverty.
becomes a warden and accomplishes legendary feats while helping random strangers along the way. The end of DAO was very fitting for my headcanon warden mage, finding Morrigan once again and disappearing through the mysterious portal. At the end I like to believe that my mage becomes the most powerful mage in history, just to add to that feeling. The whole game is like a fairy tale or ancient ballad of the mighty hero who saves the world and disappears, perhaps to return when there was another threat to the world.
It does have a very classic, epic feel to it. One of the reasons I became attached to it in the first place.
DA2 didnt have much of that. Sure, you can sail away with a loose ship wench, but it doesnt have that same feeling. In that story you either help a terrorist blow up a chantry or perform genocide on a bunch of mages. Not many legendary feats, as I see it.
I think it's meant to be a deconstruction of the hero archetype (i.e. complete nobodies can be remembered as heroes just by having nice stories told about them, rather than what they actually did, kind of like Captain Cully in The Last Unicorn), but I agree that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I also resent being shoe-horned into the same "riches to rags to riches again" schlock from the first game. I didn't like it with the Couslands, BioWare, I don't like it for the Hawkes either. One of the benefits of the Origins was to experience the world and the transition from citizen to hero from different socio/economic backgrounds.
I hope DA3 has more of that epic feeling, leading a great army to kill an dangerous evil or slaying an ancient demon that threatens Thedas. Something along those lines. Liberating the mages or building a new home for elves would be great. Just something better than doing chores and fetch quests for random contracts.
Agreed, especially about the "building a new home for the elves" bit. Elves have a greater affinity for magic and the world war started with a scuffle over freedom for mages, BioWare. If any time was a time to make elves part of the main conflict (because they want freedom too, they're mages too and/or their extra magic talent could be useful), now's the time.
Also, maybe add a mention of the warden in DA3. Maybe some story sung by a bard or an obscure mention of saving Redcliffe or finding the ancient secrets of the dwarves in the deep roads.
Add a mention of the City Elf Warden (who was the only Warden not to get any sort of mention in DA2) and I'm in.
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 09:57
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I agree with the OP. Origins is the game I still replay because it just is so awesome. Sure there are flaws in it too, like the fact for me there was way too little discussion and things to do with origins. My city elf would have loved to talk more with his father and place a big pouch of gold coins in his hand beford leaving to save the world. Instead I had to leave him there in the slum penniless. And Cousland, so much more was left unspoken and done.
However,despite these issues Origins just plain steamrolles DA2, there is no question about that. DA2 had a good idea but it was very poorly handled. Maybe if it would have been done mostly Origins style...
However,despite these issues Origins just plain steamrolles DA2, there is no question about that. DA2 had a good idea but it was very poorly handled. Maybe if it would have been done mostly Origins style...
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 11:47
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bigbad1013 wrote...
One of the main reasons why I really enjoyed Dragon Age 2 was because the story was so different from the "traditional" BioWare story. The game had it's flaws but I very much enjoyed the very personal, down to earth feel it had to it. And I know some people will disagree with me on this, but I also loved the fact that Hawke wasn't this epic hero who just solved every problem perfectly whenever something came up. That wasn't a weakness to me, that was a strength because it made Hawke a much more believable and relatable protagonist. He/she tried his/her best but life just had a tendency to screw him/her over. So while the scale of Origins' story was certainly much grander, I think there is a lot to be said for DA2's approach to the story as well.
Pretty much that.
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 02:31
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While this thread is still going (and not locked), does anyone know if bringing Loghain to Soldier's Peak creates unique dialogue for him?
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 03:21
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Adugan wrote...
TCBC_Freak wrote...
Lol, lowly as in some random noble without a lot of power. The Noble origin has almost no power compared to what you can become at the end of the game.
The Couslands are the second most powerful family in Ferelden, only superceded by the Theirins.
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 03:30
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TMZuk wrote...
Adugan wrote...
TCBC_Freak wrote...
Lol, lowly as in some random noble without a lot of power. The Noble origin has almost no power compared to what you can become at the end of the game.
The Couslands are the second most powerful family in Ferelden, only superceded by the Theirins.
The Couslands are Theirins...
In Ferelden there are only 2 Theinirs, the Couslands and the Gwaren (Loghain family), so the noble origin warden was very powerful before the joining.
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Posté 11 décembre 2012 - 03:35
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I enjoy writing my fan fiction within DAO's setting.
See this?
This are all my fan fictions written in my DAO game.
See this?
This are all my fan fictions written in my DAO game.
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Posté 12 décembre 2012 - 07:28
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JCAP wrote...
The Couslands are Theirins...
In Ferelden there are only 2 Theinirs, the Couslands and the Gwaren (Loghain family), so the noble origin warden was very powerful before the joining.
Teryns are not the same as Theirins. Teryn is a title. Theirin is the family name of the king going back to Calenhad.
GREAT DA3 thread. I still say it should be locked or moved to the Origins forum where it belongs.
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Posté 12 décembre 2012 - 09:17
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Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
I enjoy writing my fan fiction within DAO's setting.
See this?
This are all my fan fictions written in my DAO game.
What a shameless plug that is completely unrelated to this thread. Good job.
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Posté 12 décembre 2012 - 11:17
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I agree. the over all feeling of DA:O was much better than DA2. They used some nice narrative tricks that I kinda liked but since the story and the characters weren't strong enough I ended up not giving many f*cks about how it ended for Hawk.
