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[TheButterflyEffect]

Boy did this thread ever take off while I was in class.

To touch on one point, Anders was not really an "evil" LI. Mainly because of his contant opposition to blood magic and contact with demons. I don't think BM is inherently bad, but everyone in universe seems to think it is. But, since he himself willingly made a pact and is possessed by a demon... well he seems like a pretty big goddamn hypocrite, and really that was the one and only thing I totally disliked about his character. He was a mediocre LI, overall, but I really didn't like the dramatic change in his character.

Really, the main thing I meant a "dark/evil" LI is simply someone who doesn't constantly push the PC to make "good" decisions... like saving people, sparing lives, and helping others for no personal gain. And doesn't mind a little cold blooded murder. Ha.

[Giant ambush beetle]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Really, the main thing I meant a "dark/evil" LI is simply someone who doesn't constantly push the PC to make "good" decisions... like saving people, sparing lives, and helping others for no personal gain. And doesn't mind a little cold blooded murder. Ha.

Isn't that neutral / chaotic neutral instead of evil?

Does anybody remember the ''evil-ish'' female Drow from Baldur's Gate 2, Viconia? Now that was a well written ''evil'' character / love interest (the best IMO).

[challenger18]

The Woldan wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Really, the main thing I meant a "dark/evil" LI is simply someone who doesn't constantly push the PC to make "good" decisions... like saving people, sparing lives, and helping others for no personal gain. And doesn't mind a little cold blooded murder. Ha.

Isn't that neutral / chaotic neutral instead of evil?

Does anybody remember the ''evil-ish'' female Drow from Baldur's Gate 2, Viconia? Now that was a well written ''evil'' character / love interest (the best IMO).

That was the first character I thought of when I read the thread title. Took 6 pages for someone to even bring her up.

[Dagon]

challenger18 wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Really, the main thing I meant a "dark/evil" LI is simply someone who doesn't constantly push the PC to make "good" decisions... like saving people, sparing lives, and helping others for no personal gain. And doesn't mind a little cold blooded murder. Ha.

Isn't that neutral / chaotic neutral instead of evil?

Does anybody remember the ''evil-ish'' female Drow from Baldur's Gate 2, Viconia? Now that was a well written ''evil'' character / love interest (the best IMO).

That was the first character I thought of when I read the thread title. Took 6 pages for someone to even bring her up.

^^
Great minds think alike

[Sable Rhapsody]

Viconia, however, can be turned to True Neutral via the PC's influence by the end of Throne of Bhaal. I think the OP was looking for someone more irredeemably evil.

I'm slowly picking my way through BG:EE (got derailed by Skyrim). We'll see how Dorn pans out.

[clipped_wolf]

First time I played KOTR I played light side...up until the part evil Bastila asks to join her in the darkside. I did. Then I got the evil ending. It was fun.

[lunamoondragon]

"Evil" is a pretty broad term. But a character who is overtly immoral sounds like they'd have an interesting romance.

A romance full of conflict is always interesting. I loved rivalmances more than I can possibly say. So to see a character that actively tries to push you into doing "bad" things would be very interesting if done right.

[Rawgrim]

Sure. I`d like an "evil" love interest. One that completely manipulates me into making poor choices throughout the game. Maybe even blackmails me later on.

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

the only way i see this happening is in the kotor style. act evil and they will be corrupted or approve of u based on their personality and relationship with the character. i kinda miss that style actually. if anything i would love a evil character who tries to kill u in the beginning and ends up becoming a li....if it could work in manga it could work in games dammit

[gosimmons]

I'm OK with the concept of needing to have darker characters join your list of friends and allies.

Though I guess my problem with Morrigan, other than initial personality, was that a lot of the time she wasn't pragmatic about being evil. Not every ally has to be morally upright, but it was tiresome getting berated for taking a beneficial job just because it could potentially help out a stranger.

[hoorayforicecream]

Question... How many would consider Javik to be evil?

[Fredward]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Question... How many would consider Javik to be evil?

Not I. Since his backstory offers perspective and my basic human empathy allows me to understand why he thinks like he does. So he goes from puppy-kicking-evil (which he does seem at times) to ruthless as a result of necessity/experience.

[Twisted Path]

Javik doesn't do what he does out of pure selfishness, which is my main definition of an evil character.

I think if you were to cast know alignment on him you'd get "chaotic neutral." Dude was just pure anger. Chaotic neutral also fits with his tendency to constantly mess with people.

[Althix]

Javik? Evil? why?

[TheButterflyEffect]

I want a male version of Viconia.

[Althix]

mmmm nooo.
Viconia is so cute because she's a women. Remove that and we will have Bishop.

[hoorayforicecream]

Javik is what I would consider an evil character. He is ruthless, unforgiving, and has no qualms about sacrificing anyone or anything to accomplish his goals. He will stop at nothing to win. He only cares about accomplishing his goal, and views those around him as assets to be used rather than thinking, feeling people. His backstory explains why he is this way, but that doesn't change the fact he'd step over the smoking husk of the Normandy without even blinking.

The only reason he isn't a villain is because his goal happens to coincide with Shepard's.

[Medhia Nox]

@Twisted Path: you don't find revenge to be a purely selfish act?

[Bfler]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Javik is what I would consider an evil character. He is ruthless, unforgiving, and has no qualms about sacrificing anyone or anything to accomplish his goals. He will stop at nothing to win. He only cares about accomplishing his goal, and views those around him as assets to be used rather than thinking, feeling people. His backstory explains why he is this way, but that doesn't change the fact he'd step over the smoking husk of the Normandy without even blinking.

You could say the same about Loghain with regard to Ostagar and his hate against Orlais.

Modifié par Bfler, 11 décembre 2012 - 04:03 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Bfler wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Javik is what I would consider an evil character. He is ruthless, unforgiving, and has no qualms about sacrificing anyone or anything to accomplish his goals. He will stop at nothing to win. He only cares about accomplishing his goal, and views those around him as assets to be used rather than thinking, feeling people. His backstory explains why he is this way, but that doesn't change the fact he'd step over the smoking husk of the Normandy without even blinking.

You could say the same about Loghain with regard to Ostagar and his hate against Orlais.

People frequently do.

[Althix]

Javik is a warrior of race that ruled entire galaxy as we know it. He is product of this time. You should not consider him be evil simply because pragmatism and ruthlessness determines his ideology.
yes he is not babyface like Garrus or Liara or Tali. He is one of few mature characters in entire setting along with Aria and ME1 Wrex.

And trust me, my Shep will step over entire Normandy crew to get the job done. So Javik is fine.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 11 décembre 2012 - 04:16 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Bfler wrote...

You could say the same about Loghain with regard to Ostagar and his hate against Orlais.

Remember when I said that the only reason Javik wasn't a villain was because his goals coincided with Shepard's? Loghain is a situation where a similar character's goals didn't coincide with the protagonist's.

secretsandlies wrote...

Javik is a warrior of race that ruled entire galaxy as we know it. He is product of this time. You should not consider him be evil simply because pragmatism and ruthlessness determines his ideology.
yes he is not babyface like Garrus or Liara or Tali. He is one of few mature characters in entire setting along with Aria and ME1 Wrex.

And trust me, my Shep will step over entire Normandy crew to get the job done. So Javik is fine.

I didn't say he was a bad character. I said he was evil. Evil can be justified. Evil can be pragmatic. Hence the term "necessary evil".

Your Shepard might be evil too.

[Parmida]

Bishop from NWN2 was really evil and pretty hot as well!
But the bugger wasn't LI I had to drool all over my monitor.

Modifié par Parmida, 11 décembre 2012 - 04:46 .

[Althix]

your definition of evil is yours.
it looks like he is evil simply because he is not nice to those around him and see those people around him as tools.
If this is the case so - back to first sentence.

[Parmida]

secretsandlies wrote...

your definition of evil is yours.
it looks like he is evil simply because he is not nice to those around him and see those people around him as tools.
If this is the case so - back to first sentence.

Nope! he sides with the King Of Shadows at the end and leaves people and you to fend for yourselves and die horribly, no matter what you do.
And I always sided with the King Of Shadows as well, and then me and Bishop had to take down the rest of my companions. KOS raised my companions' corpses and we conquered the world with shadows and corrupted the lands!

Modifié par Parmida, 11 décembre 2012 - 05:01 .