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[corey_russell]

I defeated the High Dragon for my first time.
Difficulty: Normal
Party Members: Mage (PC), Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan

This dragon, up this point, always owned my parties no matter what I tried. Yesterday, my 6 year old daughter was watching, and I told her, "You want to see me fight a dragon?". So I summoned the High Dragon. While the PC and Leliana did get some damage in, they were soon killed. So it was just Morrigan and Alistair.

Basically, Alistair got in the Dragon's face, while Morrigan did hex/winter's grasp and cone of cold every time it came up. We had beaten Flemeth by this point, so Morrigan did have her Robe of Possession. Alistair would potion and Morrigan would heal, and if Alistair was in danger of dying, force field placed on him. Alistair had a number of close calls, but he always came through. I think he had the shield wall made him immune to knock downs too. Throughout the fight, Morrigan drank a ton of lesser lyrium potions so she could force field in a jam, including herself sometimes. And a after a while in real time (at least 10 minutes), the battle was over and the dragon was dead! Alistair had died at the end, actually  but a final cone of cold at point blank range finished the dragon.

I was quite shocked at the massive loot dropped, though it was well deserved. The fight definitely felt epic. Does everyone beat this dragon, or there players out there that ignore it all the time,  as I used to? This particular run is probably my 15th run through Dragon Age, if that's relevant. 

[cJohnOne]

Congratulations! Yes I use to skip this fight in earlier playthroughs. One thing you might try is giving Alistair Rock Salve. and I think there is something for fire protection but I don't remember it right now.

[corey_russell]

Fire wasn't giving Alistair trouble, as he had a number of items for fire resistance, it was the physical moves, like the dragon chomping on him, or tail sweeps etc. You say Rock Salve would help with that?

[cJohnOne]

The wiki says RocK Salve only gives 5 armor and 10 physical resistance so if that's true then it isn't worth taking.   Because it doesn't last very long.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 10 décembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[Blazomancer]

Bravo. I have been killing it each time for the loot and xp. But I have to admit, it was a bit difficult in my first playthrough; took a couple of reloads.
Yes, Rock Salve does help for the tank's survivabilty. Basically, anything that increases armor would help, as the dragon's special attack will hit anyway regardless of the tank's defense score.

[corey_russell]

Blazomancer wrote...

Bravo. I have been killing it each time for the loot and xp. But I have to admit, it was a bit difficult in my first playthrough; took a couple of reloads.
Yes, Rock Salve does help for the tank's survivabilty. Basically, anything that increases armor would help, as the dragon's special attack will hit anyway regardless of the tank's defense score.

Oh? If that's so, maybe I'm doing my quests in the wrong order then. I've been doing redcliffe > circle of magi > sacred urn, etc. But if AC is the best help, then I could get the dreadnought armor in Brecilian forest/ruins first then come do the high dragon. That's the best  AC I can think of that doesn't require me shelling out a ton of gold, always in short supply for me.

[Blazomancer]

Well, AC is important but not really that much necessary that you change your preferred order of approaching the questlines. Any heavier armor would do. With proper healing and support, probably armor is not much of a factor at all.
And then you can also come back anytime after completing the major questlines to trigger the high dragon encounter, that is when you have the preffered gear and weapons.

[Dblade]

Well how was your healing going? Did you pc or other mage have just the basic heal spell? Because I know for me when I fought the high dragon for the very first time I didnt have my mage go deep into healing

[keeneaow]

Congratulation
High dragon is one of very few epic battles in DA:O,
here is one helluva mod with more epic battles than the whole campaign + DLC combined,
(it's like a DLC, but much better, and free)
http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/3486
I had a really hard time with High dragon first time, but later with Arcane warrior i solo on nightmare.

ed: i have also found a way to get that last scale without having to fight high dragon:
accept Kolgrims request in the cave, but later when you are at the top of the mountain,
you get a last dialog with him, and here pick up a fight with him,
a 7th medium size dragon will join the fight and drop the last piece of dragon skin

Modifié par keeneaow, 10 décembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[corey_russell]

Dblade wrote...

Well how was your healing going? Did you pc or other mage have just the basic heal spell? Because I know for me when I fought the high dragon for the very first time I didnt have my mage go deep into healing

Both mages had the basic heal only. My PC was very heavy into the entropy line of spells (mass paralysis, etc.). However, between, both mages healing and potions, that kept everyone's health up pretty well. Thinking about it now, Wynne's group heal would have been awesome for the dragon's area effects. As long as Wynne had cone of cold I could have swapped her out for Morrigan.

[dainbramage]

The high dragon's pretty similar to flemeth and the archdemon. Give yourself a greater warmth balm if you feel it's necessary, and keep your party members away from its head because being grabbed sucks. Overall I never found it particularly difficult.

[pizzapicante]

I remember being scared ****less of this fight the first time around, it was the last quest left to me and I rmembered how difficult Flemeth was, overall I can say this is the 2nd most scary dragon fight Ive had (in nightmare mode) besides Firkraag (BG2)

[Dblade]

In nightmare mode it took me several tries to take down the high dragon. I really didnt have much problem with Flemeth but boy that high dragon showed me who was boss

[Ferretinabun]

Congrats.

I always take Shale for a tank. Fire resistance (with the crystals) and can't be grabbed. Rock on. :-)

[Dblade]

How easy was the fight on nightmare for you?

[mousestalker]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Congrats.

I always take Shale for a tank. Fire resistance (with the crystals) and can't be grabbed. Rock on. :-)

Have you no shame?

[Ferretinabun]

These days I've got it down to an art. With a fire-resistant Shale tanking, Leliana firing off the ice arrows, and either Morrigan spamming the cold spells, debuffs and Heal, or Wynne just dishing out the healing spells and buffs, and then the Warden doing whatever the warden does best, the fight is a grind, but not too much of a challenge anymore. Be prepared to knock back healing potions like it's free-shot-hour at the student bar and you'll be fine.

It does irk me slightly that you need to kill the High Dragon to get the best fire-resistant armour in the game, when fighting the High Dragon is possibly the most useful time to HAVE fire-resistant armour, but still...

[Ferretinabun]

mousestalker wrote...

Ferretinabun wrote...

Congrats.

I always take Shale for a tank. Fire resistance (with the crystals) and can't be grabbed. Rock on. :-)

Have you no shame?

I don't need shame. I've got Shale.

[keeneaow]

Ferretinabun wrote...

These days I've got it down to an art. With a fire-resistant Shale tanking, Leliana firing off the ice arrows, and either Morrigan spamming the cold spells, debuffs and Heal, or Wynne just dishing out the healing spells and buffs, and then the Warden doing whatever the warden does best, the fight is a grind, but not too much of a challenge anymore. Be prepared to knock back healing potions like it's free-shot-hour at the student bar and you'll be fine.

It does irk me slightly that you need to kill the High Dragon to get the best fire-resistant armour in the game, when fighting the High Dragon is possibly the most useful time to HAVE fire-resistant armour, but still...

No you dont

ed: i have also found a way to get that last scale without having to fight high dragon:
accept Kolgrims request in the cave, but later when you are at the top of the mountain,
you get a last dialog with him, and here pick up a fight with him,
a 7th medium size dragon will join the fight and drop the last piece of dragon skin

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/66/index/15235363#15241110

[dainbramage]

Ferretinabun wrote...

These days I've got it down to an art. With a fire-resistant Shale tanking, Leliana firing off the ice arrows, and either Morrigan spamming the cold spells, debuffs and Heal, or Wynne just dishing out the healing spells and buffs, and then the Warden doing whatever the warden does best, the fight is a grind, but not too much of a challenge anymore. Be prepared to knock back healing potions like it's free-shot-hour at the student bar and you'll be fine.

It does irk me slightly that you need to kill the High Dragon to get the best fire-resistant armour in the game, when fighting the High Dragon is possibly the most useful time to HAVE fire-resistant armour, but still...

Bah, fire resitant armour. That's what salves are for.

Also, I find that it's rarely interested in using fire and much more interesting in clawing/kicking/tailswiping me. That might have to do with positioning, I'm not sure. I did it a couple of days ago with my 4 warrior party (all two-handers), only needed about 8 health poultices total on nightmare. Positioning of about one at each leg so it can't grab and can't hit more than one party member at a time. And spamming the sunders takes it down really fast.

Modifié par dainbramage, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[corey_russell]

In my rogue game (a different run), I had to another go at the High Dragon.
Difficulity: Normal
Party Members:
PC - Rogue with Superior Drakescale Armor
Alistair - Aodh (20% fire resist)
Charlie (the dog) - fire resist armor (30%)
Morrigan - fire resist 0%

So my daughter is watching again and I engage the high dragon. Ailistair and the dog get in the Dragon's face, my PC range attacks with a crossbow entire fight, and Morrigan does lots of things to be explained.

The dog rather quickly died, so then I worked furiously to keep Alistair alive. The dragon ignored my PC almost the entire fight, guess my rogue wasn't doing much damage. Ailstair would get in the Dragon's face, Morrigan would heal/cone of cold/winter's grasp/hex/drain life/lightning bolt.

When-ever Alistair was getting chomped I would would forcefield him, or cone of cold/winter's grasp if the force field wasn't up. Morrigan was very close by some ground that was LOWER ELEVATION than the ground the dragon was fighting from. Whenever Morrigan would get the dragon's attention, she would duck to this ground for cover which was lower elevation. This saved her life, as the dragon tried to summon her, but it failed because she was pulled to the ground. This way, Morrigan would always stay out of the Dragon's melee. Alistair would eventually make the dragon mad again, and Morrigan would then resume her thing. I would always have Alistair potion if he was less than 85% health.

This process took a while, but the result seemed sure. Oh, forgot to say I had about 90 lesser lyrium potions for Morrigan, and about 90 lesser heal potions and almost no heal potions greater than that. Success! I think I'm getting the hang of this...

Now just have to figure out how to not have Wade's partner hate me just because I had the Dragon Scale Armor made, I can't buy from that shop anymore. I had Wade make the medium armor for my rogue. I need 34 STR to just to wear that, but with the +2 stamina regen with that armor and the Dalish longbow belt (+0.5 stamin regen), my rogue should be awesome in about 2 more levels.

Modifié par corey_russell, 17 décembre 2012 - 04:52 .

[dainbramage]

Now just have to figure out how to not have Wade's partner hate me just because I had the Dragon Scale Armor made, I can't buy from that shop anymore.

Herren hates you for getting the superior drakeskin armour, not the dragonscale armour. If you just make the first set (and give wade the extra 10 sovereigns to improve the dragonscale set) then the dragonscale armour and do nothing with the second set of drake scales, Herren will still sell you stuff.

Modifié par dainbramage, 18 décembre 2012 - 10:04 .

[corey_russell]

dainbramage wrote...

Now just have to figure out how to not have Wade's partner hate me just because I had the Dragon Scale Armor made, I can't buy from that shop anymore.

Herren hates you for getting the superior drakeskin armour, not the dragonscale armour. If you just make the first set (and give wade the extra 10 sovereigns to improve the dragonscale set) then the dragonscale armour and do nothing with the second set of drake scales, Herren will still sell you stuff.

Well he would still sell to me after making the superior drakeskin armor - he would NOT sell to me after making the dragon scale armor. That's the order of events in my game. I did pay 10 sovereigns for the first set, but didn't have 20 sovereigns for the 2nd set of drake scales.

[dainbramage]

corey_russell wrote...

Well he would still sell to me after making the superior drakeskin armor

Sorry, but nope. If you think he did you're misremembering. After you get the superior drakescale set, herren says "You. You're not welcome here any more" which indicates that. As well as no longer selling you anything obviously, except when you bring Wade the dragon scale.

As for payment, you only need to pay him once for the drake armour. Pay him once or twice and you get superior dragonskin/scale/bone armour. Never pay and you get the non-superior version.

Modifié par dainbramage, 19 décembre 2012 - 09:50 .

[Gunnaka]

First time I beat it I soloed it with the dog, chugged 75 potions or so. I had a terrible team composition so the only thing that survived more than 5 seconds was the dog, not to mention I was level 12 or so.