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[RainmanMP]

Give HSol arc grenades instead of Frags. Give almost any class arc grenades.

[RainmanMP]

FlowCytometry wrote...

Some people have strange concepts of what an under-performing class is.

So what I got from this thread is.. everyone should have grenades! Well, I guess I need more reason to use thermals, so sure why not.

You can never have enough grenades. If you have a question in ME3, the answer is more grenades.

[Gamemako]

tyhw wrote...

Not true.  Cryo blast has a significant advantage on sub bosses too.  The 25% debuff 1) applies to breakoffs, so that breaking a ravagers sacs will do 37.5% of its armor and 25% of scions armor.

That doesn't matter. You can't get more than 20% of the boss's total health out of the bonus. Period. There is no cap on the damage from SubNet, but it's unlikely that you're going to deal 10k out of the skill.

tyhw wrote...

2) It applies as spike damage affecting both ammo damage and shot damage, allowing you to get all of that damage up front instead of slowly, over time.

No, you still get it over time, just at a rate tied to your normal damage output.

Additionally, let's not forget that it is infeasible to get 100% of the bonus in any case. If you're using a Black Widow, you'll have to start by shooting or you'd lose the cloak bonus on your third shot. The first shot will never get the cryo bonus either way, but you'd lose the cryo bonus on the second shot as well on targets at medium or long distance. That puts you 3000+ ahead of the 8-ball regardless. After you include the inevitable reload, the DoT time on SubNet ticks up, making the damage difference increasingly small.

tyhw wrote...

It also affects sticky grenade damage, allowing you to quickly spike down sub-bosses like brutes, ravagers, and scions.  It won't help you on mooks, but I still think sub nets advantage there is marginal on an infiltrator with very high weapon damage.

Yes, you can use Cryo Blast to buff spike damage, but it always come out as a maximum of 20% of the opponent's health, period. SubNet will deal much more damage and also CCs multiple opponents, making other efforts much more effective. Hitting a series of staggered opponents is much easier than chasing down arbitrarily-dodging targets, and the AoE shocks persist even after the direct target of SubNet is dead.

The benefits of SubNet on an infiltrator are many. It's easily more useful on an Infiltrator than it is on a Sentinel (my BatSent specs only 3 points in it), and it's certainly a truckload more useful than a meager once-in-a-blue-moon 25% damage buff that lasts 5 seconds.

[Happy Shepard]

That's nice, OP. I had the thought of switching Cryo Blast with Fortification, too.

And i'd use that Cryo Blast to switch it with Sentry Turret on the Turian Saboteur.

Then, i'd use the Sentry Turret to switch it with Stimpacks on the TGI. I'd change it to a Geth Turret with rocket evo.

Tada, new Turians are fixed.

[CronicleChicken]

He is not underpowered but I'd like to see the Geth Engineer replace Overload with Flamer... Run, throw Geth Turret in room for shields, then burn everything

Modifié par CronicleChicken, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:30 .

[ParkMan609]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

Human Vanguard
Shockwave -> Annihilation Field

Am I doing this right?

YES

[WizeMan305]

Turian Havoc - Cryo Blast for Snap Freeze.

Volus Adept - Stasis for Warp

Quarian Marksman - Sabotage for Overload

[staindgrey]

Vorcha Engineer. Incinerate for Flamer. Same concept, *much* more effective. And while we're at it, put Bloodlust on the 'Y' button instead of SubNet. Whoever chose the button mapping for him was not paying attention.

[greghorvath]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

tyhw wrote...

Not true.  Cryo blast has a significant advantage on sub bosses too.  The 25% debuff 1) applies to breakoffs, so that breaking a ravagers sacs will do 37.5% of its armor and 25% of scions armor.

That doesn't matter. You can't get more than 20% of the boss's total health out of the bonus. Period. There is no cap on the damage from SubNet, but it's unlikely that you're going to deal 10k out of the skill.

tyhw wrote...

2) It applies as spike damage affecting both ammo damage and shot damage, allowing you to get all of that damage up front instead of slowly, over time.

No, you still get it over time, just at a rate tied to your normal damage output.

Additionally, let's not forget that it is infeasible to get 100% of the bonus in any case. If you're using a Black Widow, you'll have to start by shooting or you'd lose the cloak bonus on your third shot. The first shot will never get the cryo bonus either way, but you'd lose the cryo bonus on the second shot as well on targets at medium or long distance. That puts you 3000+ ahead of the 8-ball regardless. After you include the inevitable reload, the DoT time on SubNet ticks up, making the damage difference increasingly small.

tyhw wrote...

It also affects sticky grenade damage, allowing you to quickly spike down sub-bosses like brutes, ravagers, and scions.  It won't help you on mooks, but I still think sub nets advantage there is marginal on an infiltrator with very high weapon damage.

Yes, you can use Cryo Blast to buff spike damage, but it always come out as a maximum of 20% of the opponent's health, period. SubNet will deal much more damage and also CCs multiple opponents, making other efforts much more effective. Hitting a series of staggered opponents is much easier than chasing down arbitrarily-dodging targets, and the AoE shocks persist even after the direct target of SubNet is dead.

The benefits of SubNet on an infiltrator are many. It's easily more useful on an Infiltrator than it is on a Sentinel (my BatSent specs only 3 points in it), and it's certainly a truckload more useful than a meager once-in-a-blue-moon 25% damage buff that lasts 5 seconds.

 

This post was so bad it gave me cancer.

I'm consdering taking legal action.

Your fault, mate. You read a Gamemako post. I think there is actually something in the disclaimers about that...

[Faps to phantoms]

Volus Adept - Replace Shield Boost with Biotic Wind (a shockwave type power that can detonate primed targets and
                        prime all others)

Volus Sentinel - Replace Shield Boost with Sentry Turret (MOAR pets)

Geth Soldier - Replace Fortification with Defence Matrix
Turian Havoc - Substitute Cryo Blast with Adrenaline Rush 

Modifié par Faps to phantoms, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:53 .

[Stinja]

Assuming existing MP powers:

Volus Adept - replace Stasis with Singularity
Vorcha Hunter - replace incinerate with flamer
Krogan Shaman - replace Warp with Reave
Turian Havoc - replace Havoc Strike with Biotic Charge

At least for the new ones, i'd have to have a think about earlier kits, but they're mostly fine.

[Deerber]

Gamemako wrote...

Ha, **** this, let's make everyone awesome.

Havoc Soldier:
Cryo Blast -> Fortification (aww yeah, ground pound)

Drell Vanguard:
Pull -> Dark Channel (aww yeah, explosions errewer)

Vorcha Engineer:
Incinerate -> Ballistic Blades (aww yeah, ballistic blades)

Vorcha Soldier:
Carnage -> Inferno Grenades ('cause fire)

Female Quarian Engineer:
Cryo Blast -> Snap Freeze ('cause cryo explosions)

Batarian Vanguard:
Lash -> Multi-Frag Grenades ('cause what the **** is Lash for, anyway?)

Quarian Marksman Soldier:
Tactical Scan -> Recon Mine ('cause seriously, TS sucks and has no synergy with Marksman)

Human Infiltrator
Cryo Blast -> Submission Net (ha ha I removed Cryo Blast from every character that has it because it's a **** skill)

I think that's all of the weaker classes. Did I miss any?

//EDIT: Also, it's shocking how many people want two grenade powers on the Havoc. That's a terrible idea.

GTFO.

Edit cause on the forums it's hard to tell when someone's joking. I was 

Modifié par Deerber, 11 décembre 2012 - 12:36 .

[Striker93175]

Take drell adept and subtract pull, add supply pylon... biotic demolisher!
Reave and cluster nade all the things! ... Even More so then usual!

[Das Rouse]

Might have been said but I will say it

Drell Vanguard: Pull for reave
Batarian Vanguard: Lash for Singularity

[CronicleChicken]

Striker93175 wrote...

Take drell adept and subtract pull, add supply pylon... biotic demolisher!
Reave and cluster nade all the things! ... Even More so then usual!

This

[Mullpat]

Shampoohorn wrote...

GS: Replace Flamer with Snap Freeze.

???

Hell no

[CronicleChicken]

Krogan Shaman

replace Barrier with Bloodlust.

Krogans should be able to regen like in ME the original.

[Deerber]

Striker93175 wrote...

Take drell adept and subtract pull, add supply pylon... biotic demolisher!
Reave and cluster nade all the things! ... Even More so then usual!

Oh my. Oh my. That would be... That would... 

[Trontor]

Gezar149 wrote...

Asari justicar.
Pull
Would replace it with:
Throw.

Yes it would be op. But iust imagine the BEplosms!

Yes, please. 

[Killigula]

Batarian Sentinel: Replace shockwave with overload

Krogan Sentinel: Replace incinerate with flamer

Krogan Soldier: Replace carnage with bloodlust

Modifié par Killigula, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[Killigula]

Krogan Shamen: Shockwave for Reave.

[Poison_Berrie]

People complain about Havoc Strike needing more force and yet most people here would remove Cryo-blast from the character which allows you to do 3x force.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:56 .

[lightswitch]

tyhw wrote...

I'd replace Stim packs on the Ghost with Inferno grenades. Then I'd like using the class

 I think you just found the only way to make him even more OP.

[Tankcommander]

DullahansXMark wrote...

All kits:

Replace one skill with Tactical Cloak.
Replace another with Biotic Charge.
Replace another with BLADE Armor.

HOLLA

Fixed that for ya