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[Valmy]

ash the rpgamer wrote...
this is what alot of people are quite annoyed at(including myself), its 90% certain that we won't get any of our old characters or romance options available in the expansion, except 1 person like Oghren(who is hardly a favourite), even if they are in the expansion they won't be in the party, so essentially alot of our choices and effort into companion relationships was for nothing, as bioware are simply removing them from the expansion(probably killing them off)

Huh?  Alot of people like Oghren.

Anyway I fail to see how playing a game was "effort" and how it was rendered "for nothing" and how you came to the bizarre and entirely inaccurate view that they are going to get killed off or removed.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

lady winde wrote...

Bann Teagan?

/innocentvapidsmile

What?

Only if he doesn't marry that Kristen b**** 

[Suzene]

Assuming that the expansion takes place fairly soon after the original campaign, my guesses would be...

Absent:

Wynne - Old and her clock's ticking down even faster than it might be otherwise, so it's not hard to justify writing her out.

Shale - A bit temperamental and almost all of her epilogues involve her leaving in one form or another. Not hard to write out in a single line if she needs a mention at all.

Sten - Has no motivation to stay and a strong desire to return home.

Morrigan - Said flat out that she wouldn't be returning to Fereldan, and, preggers or no, her character arc and its future repercussions demand something more epic than a 15-hour expansion. Bioware's people are good enough storytellers to know this.


NPCs making appearances, but not recruitable party members:

Alistair: Most of his epilogues wind up with him having wandered off to a life of obscurity, being burdened with massive responsibilities, or being very dead, so it seems that he'd either be absent or tethered in place. Of the other options, rebuilding the Grey Wardens means that someone needs to keep an eye on things back at HQ, so there's one obvious write-out. The wandering life epilogue can be dealt with in quite a few ways -- and, given the writers' rep for putting players' hearts through the wringer, I wouldn't put it past them for the new threat to take out your buddy/bunny at the start of the game and make the new quest at least partly about revenge.


Possible returning, recruitable members (possibly variable depending on save game?):

Leliana - Romance options give her a strong possibility of having stayed with the PC, so this makes her a contender for a reappearance.

Zevran - See Leliana.

Oghren - Doesn't really have much to tie him down in most of the epilogues. Assuming he was recruited after the mess with Branka, he'd be a logical choice to go wandering around with an old war buddy or accompanying a new Warden recruit who might need someone watching their back.

Dog - Good choice for a default returning party member if none of the other options are valid.  Also the least problematic to write dialog for and likely has the least expensive VA, and I think most players would rather have the dog back than the dwarf.

Modifié par Suzene, 07 janvier 2010 - 09:18 .

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

Pro7oNz wrote...

i wont be surprised if people are angry because shale doesnt return, i mean you payed what 10-15 dollars for shale......he should return or everyone would feel that was a big waste of money

But at the end of the game doesnt Wynne say that her and Shale are going some where and going to try to return Shale to her dwarven form?? Ive only beat it once with Shale in the party so Im not positive if thats what she says.

[errant_knight]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

Pro7oNz wrote...

i wont be surprised if people are angry because shale doesnt return, i mean you payed what 10-15 dollars for shale......he should return or everyone would feel that was a big waste of money

But at the end of the game doesnt Wynne say that her and Shale are going some where and going to try to return Shale to her dwarven form?? Ive only beat it once with Shale in the party so Im not positive if thats what she says.

 Wynne can do many different things including staying in court as mage advisor.

[Allattar1]

Well I know my Dalish one elven wreckin ball of a warrior will be returning ...



Dark rituals and all that...

[Behindyounow]

RedRobinRobber wrote...

Me?i think it will be morrigan since no matter what ending you have she is wandering the mountains.

In one of the endings Flemeth kills her. Serves her right.

I'm hoping its Oghren.

[Herr Uhl]

Behindyounow wrote...

RedRobinRobber wrote...

Me?i think it will be morrigan since no matter what ending you have she is wandering the mountains.

In one of the endings Flemeth kills her. Serves her right.

No.

[Behindyounow]

No what? No it doesn't serve her right? Or No she doesn't die?

[philippe willaume]

Hello





Well it is an expansion and it needs DA:0 to run so really all old comp should be usable.

At the very least you can use their existing dialogs, cut scene and models.

Modders already play with that to their (and ours) heart content. So there are no real technical difficulties other than an eventual reformatting.

Given the date I doubt that there will be massive changes to drawing format other than the one done in the look-prettier-than-original-mods.

Basically there is nothing that prevents awakening to be like a DLC.



It has been announced that the characters specific ending will be taken in account.

Now there is serial way to read the old favourite sentence.

It can either be one of the remaining companion or a DO:A NPC. It does not necessarily means that the old crew is dropped. Regardless the method, since it is quite close to the ending, Awakening can happen “before” the long term end of final slide show.

All of that has been decided before you kill “Archonacho libre”.

So As long as the char is not dead, any of the old crew can make a cinematic appearance.

(Well in fact even if they are dead, you just need a pop up (with a red cap) “and suddenly from the murky depth of the sea the words of X comes back to you mind, like the eyes of the killer shark )



Again provided the char is not dead or has left, you can easily have a “well I planed to do what ever my final ending is in you case, but for you my old chum, once more into the breach”



So lets not cry before we are slapped



phil

[Herr Uhl]

Behindyounow wrote...

No what? No it doesn't serve her right? Or No she doesn't die?

That ending does not exist. There is no ending that states the death of Morrigan.

[Behindyounow]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

No what? No it doesn't serve her right? Or No she doesn't die?

That ending does not exist. There is no ending that states the death of Morrigan.

Fine then. Technically she is still 'alive', but its not her anymore is it? Its Flemeth.

[Herr Uhl]

Behindyounow wrote...
Fine then. Technically she is still 'alive', but its not her anymore is it? Its Flemeth.

Nothing that states that either, but it is what I personally believe happens.

[Behindyounow]

I'm sure theres an ending where it says Flemeth gets her. You turn down the dark ritual and lie about killing Flemeth.

[Herr Uhl]

Yes, but it is not certain. It is what probably happens, but not certainly what happens.

[xKerberos]

Good thing about having 2 characters (or 2 epilogue saves for that matter) is that I can play Awakening from two different angles. I'm still hoping my dead human can come back but that's hoping for too much.

[SweetiePea]

Well, I don't think Shale would be the companion as Shale is DLC, and not something that everyone necessarily has.



I personally think it's Oghren. The dwarf in the trailer looks a whole lot like him. I like Oghren a lot and, if it is him, will be happy to have him back.



However, I'm really disappointed about the decision to give you a whole new party. I hope the devs are reading this feedback. I was so excited about ME 2, and then when I heard they were giving us a whole new party, I felt extremely let down. Why? I don't have a problem with adding some new companions, but why must we lose all of the old ones? Why does BioWare seem allergic to letting you continue on with your original companions? They let us do this in the BG series and then scrapped the concept entirely.



As for DA specifically, again, sure I'd like to encounter some new companions, but I do not want to have to give up all my old ones. I had a lot invested in those characters and I'd like to see some further development from them. Why devote all the time, effort, and resources to developing these amazing companions if you're just going to chuck them come expansion time? If you're making an entirely new game set in the DA universe, go ahead and chuck characters out with wild abandon. If, however, this is truly an expansion that allows me the opportunity to continue my PC's story, why are you taking my companions away? This, to me, does not feel like a true method of allowing me to take my PC into the next chapter of her story.



I was planning on taking my human noble PC into the XP and I do not buy the idea that she, as queen, goes running off to rebuild the order without Alistair. This makes absolutely no sense to me. Maybe Alistair is playable, who knows. I'm just saying that, if he isn't, I'm going to consider that incredibly lame. I read the interview that states that the choices you made (who's on the throne, who dealt the killing blow, etc) will be a factor in the XP, but how are they *really* a factor for a female noble PC who chose to marry Alistair?



Again, this is all speculation, but I'm just airing my opinion here. I know the devs are around and following threads, so I hope they'll listen to the feedback from those of us who don't want new companions every single time. For me, it really lessens the impact of all the choices I made and all the things I did in my original playthrough if the XP nukes my companions as they are such a vital link to my PC's backstory.

[Jonnerz]

Either Morrigan or Leliana, since Leliana lived in Orlais.

Oghren was a favourite?

Modifié par Jonnerz, 07 janvier 2010 - 02:38 .

[Walina]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think the ultimate sacrifice ending is the best way to end the main game so I won't mind starting as a new Gray Warden with the last one being remembered as a hero.

I wonder if it will work O.o
Since to do so, you will have to upload a saved game, the main purpose is to continue to play your hero and keep his equipements.

Modifié par Walina, 07 janvier 2010 - 02:40 .

[SinYang]

BioWare seem allergic to letting you continue on with your original companions? They let us do this in the BG series and then scrapped the concept entirely.

Well it keeps mostly everyone thinking Baldur's Gate is best cprg ever. Instead of living in its shadows, they shouldve set out to *best* its features... and they did in someways.. IMO.

Then failed completely on first expansion.. I just hope The Awaking doesnt lock some of us Origin players out of future DLC/Patches by requiring the expansion, for those of us who dont buy it.

Modifié par SinYang, 07 janvier 2010 - 03:58 .

[Walina]

@ SweetiePea : I've to agree with you, it's difficult to imagine how those endings will fit the expansion o.o" Will be like : "WTF ? Just because of the ne threat, my previous game became pointless?!"

[Rheia]

I'm wondering...



IF your warden survived the AND chose to go rebuild wardens as their boon from the ruler, either Leliana or Zevran, (or occasionally not king Alistair) stayed with them if they were their romantic partner.



Could it be that this epilogue carries over and one of the three is with your character?



And if your character died or choose to do something else, and a new warden steps up they would get, say an Oghren who didn't have the option to be killed off?



This all is likely to be wishful thinking though



As a sidenote, imagine the option where your character let Loghain live and dissapears from the scene (looking for morrigan, travelling, sacrificing themselves, not the point.) New warden, new -Orlesian- warden is given -Ferelden- land. Picture our favorite ex-Teryn?

[Rheia]

I'll point out it has been done before. Granted to a lesser extent, but if anyone played Knights of the Old Republic 2, they'll remember it. If you played as a female character at one point of the game you've picked up Disciple, a character alluded to have a slight romantic disposition towards the main protagonist. If you played a male character, Disciple didn't join them, instead it was Handmaiden from another part of the game. It was a nice touch, I thought



It may still be wishful thinking regarding the Awakening, but hey I'm sure the sequel will be a blast either way

[philippe willaume]

Eridhan wrote...

Rheia wrote...

I'm wondering...

IF your warden survived the AND chose to go rebuild wardens as their boon from the ruler, either Leliana or Zevran, (or occasionally not king Alistair) stayed with them if they were their romantic partner.

Could it be that this epilogue carries over and one of the three is with your character?

And if your character died or choose to do something else, and a new warden steps up they would get, say an Oghren who didn't have the option to be killed off?

This all is likely to be wishful thinking though

As a sidenote, imagine the option where your character let Loghain live and dissapears from the scene (looking for morrigan, travelling, sacrificing themselves, not the point.) New warden, new -Orlesian- warden is given -Ferelden- land. Picture our favorite ex-Teryn?

Rheia, you're just reading my mind That would be perfect for everyone, I guess... And this way the expansion could be at least as replayable, as the OC, because you could start it with different PCs, to continue different playthroughs and taking a different companion with you. All depending on your previous choices... But it's not up to us, unfortunately.

Yeap I am hopping for something like that as well
But it means at least 3 old companions ported across. And hence 3 possible companion
 
In that case there is no need for Ogrhen to be ported as well as leleiana would be ideal the new char as an Orlesian commander
 
What is really tricky is that, after the “you are my true love speech” being told after a few month “why don’t pleasure yourself anyway you see fit, and bugger off” is a bit hard to swallow.
It is well within the realms of Zweran to say that but it would be as rough as a baboon’s bottom for leliena or alister to say that.
 
Now it is possible, and well within the Bioware tradition, to have cut /intro scene where you are about to arrive, being sniped at and your DA:O love interested taking the quarrel for you and dying in your arms.