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[Maria Caliban]

It fits a conceptual hole.

And a thematic one given the hopeless situations the games sometimes throw at you.

And it works with the idea of possession as a mental illness metaphor DA sometimes uses.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 décembre 2012 - 04:49 .

[Uhh.. Jonah]

So based off your own concept of a despair demon, what would happened to the possessed/manipulated victim?

[Daerog]

I would think that the Sloth demon could fill that role. A giving up of hope, not caring anymore, etc.

However, more info on the spirit world would be nice.

[Maria Caliban]

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

So based off your own concept of a despair demon, what would happened to the possessed/manipulated victim?

Something akin to clinical depression.

Oh, they could just turn into a hideous abomination and go on a murderous spree, which seems to be what happens with most possessions.

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I would think that the Sloth demon could fill that role. A giving up of hope, not caring anymore, etc.

However, more info on the spirit world would be nice.

Categorizing despair as a form of sloth strikes me as bizarre. I've been lazy and I've been sad, and being lazy is much more fun.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 décembre 2012 - 04:59 .

[Uhh.. Jonah]

I really like that idea. If they were to ever exist, I imagine them looking like a Dementor with a mix of the art piece in the OP.

[Dominus]

My knowledge of Dragon Age lore is very scarce, but it does come off as an apt opportunity. Perhaps it would be similar to something more fantastical a la Scarecrow's hallucination? Taking memories of the past to bring despair upon the NPC or PC?

[Rorschachinstein]

shuks yeah. The DA universe needs more baddie variety. Fighting the 200th Shade gets rather annoying.

Modifié par Rorschachinstein, 11 décembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[devSin]

I guess it could be a counterpart to rage, although to me it seems a little more symptomatic than some base urge or instinct (like pride or desire).

I'm not sure sloth could encompass things like terror, although depression does seem like it could share a room at sloth's place.

With weird things like Cole, though, I'm not sure just how little window we've been given to the spirits of the Fade. Maybe despair wouldn't be a demon, but something else?

[NoForgiveness]

if there was a despair spirit ithink it would fall on the benevolent side despair isnt an emotion that would lead to evil like pride

[Direwolf0294]

Dragon Age's five demon types could be made to fit a lot of different emotions, but I think there's definitely room to add more to the list if for no other reason than what Rorschachinstein said, more enemy types. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of jealousy/envy demon or a guilt demon. Despair's also a good idea.

[Direwolf0294]

MR_PN wrote...

if there was a despair spirit ithink it would fall on the benevolent side despair isnt an emotion that would lead to evil like pride

I can't agree with that. Despair can cause people to do some pretty evil things. A good example is Star Wars. The whole reason Anakin falls to the dark side is because of the despair he's suffering over the thought of losing Padme.

[NoForgiveness]

i would catagorize that in the fear folder

[Conduit0]

Spirits and demons are based on the cardinal emotions, the ones that empower and motivate us for good or bad. Things like sadness or despair don't empower or motivate, so they're not really emotions that a fade spirit could draw power from.

[Direwolf0294]

MR_PN wrote...

i would catagorize that in the fear folder

Fear certainly played a part, but it was the feeling of hopelessness, of not being able to do anything to avoid the future he dreamed of, that drove him to seek out more drastic and evil measures to avert it.

Edit: To put it another way, despair can cause people to look for hope in strange places, places that ultimately corrupt and destroy them.

Modifié par Direwolf0294, 11 décembre 2012 - 05:24 .

[Daerog]

Maria Caliban wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I would think that the Sloth demon could fill that role. A giving up of hope, not caring anymore, etc.

However, more info on the spirit world would be nice.

Categorizing despair as a form of sloth strikes me as bizarre. I've been lazy and I've been sad, and being lazy is much more fun.

Well, despair is a giving up of hope. No more drive or action toward something greater. Others are cut off, one is alone and is pulled into his or her self.

Laziness is also a lack of drive to do something greater, one does not branch out.

Despair is kind of like a laziness of the soul.

Now, this is despair I am talking about. I am not talking about depression or mourning or being sad from empathy. I am strictly talking about despair and its definition of losing (giving up, no longer trying to achieve) hope.

[Conduit0]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

i would catagorize that in the fear folder

Fear certainly played a part, but it was the feeling of hopelessness, of not being able to do anything to avoid the future he dreamed of, that drove him to seek out more drastic and evil measures to avert it.

Edit: To put it another way, despair can cause people to look for hope in strange places, places that ultimately corrupt and destroy them.

But its not really despair that fueled his evil deeds, it was rage and pride. Anakin's pride wouldn't allow him to accept the fate he had seen and he became angry(rage) at his apparent inability to alter the future. Those were motivating forces that caused Anakin to seek greater power from the darkside.

[NoForgiveness]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

i would catagorize that in the fear folder

Fear certainly played a part, but it was the feeling of hopelessness, of not being able to do anything to avoid the future he dreamed of, that drove him to seek out more drastic and evil measures to avert it.

Edit: To put it another way, despair can cause people to look for hope in strange places, places that ultimately corrupt and destroy them.

   i disagree i think feared played the lead role because the fear came first

[Fredward]

Wow. Some rilly, rilly interesting ideas about despair in this thread. XD

But yeah. A despair demon would be reeeeaaaalllllllyyyyy depressing. Oh! They could write depressing poetry on the walls with their victims blood! That could work. Hey maybe Edgar Allan Poe was secretly possessed by a despair demon?

[Daerog]

Conduit0 wrote...

Spirits and demons are based on the cardinal emotions, the ones that empower and motivate us for good or bad. Things like sadness or despair don't empower or motivate, so they're not really emotions that a fade spirit could draw power from.

Empower and motivate? The sloth demon is one of the greater demons, I don't see how sloth can be a motivator.

I agree that it is all about the big emotions, but I don't think it has to be ones that motivate. I think it is all emotions and virtues, but being able to neatly categorize them into certain "families" of spirits.

[NoForgiveness]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Wow. Some rilly, rilly interesting ideas about despair in this thread. XD

But yeah. A despair demon would be reeeeaaaalllllllyyyyy depressing. Oh! They could write depressing poetry on the walls with their victims blood! That could work. Hey maybe Edgar Allan Poe was secretly possessed by a despair demon?

 wow what a dbag thing to say edgar allan poe was an artist

[Conduit0]

Honestly greater enemy variation could be achieved by simply giving demons more than one look. Infact according to the codex, no two demons should look alike. Now obviously depending on the number of demons in the game it would be impractical or even impossible to create unique models for each one, but what they could and at the very least do, is give named/important demons unique models and then if possible, give the rank and file demons 2 or 3 different looks for the sake of variation.

[clipped_wolf]

Despair is not an emotion; it's closer to grief, a state of being that emotions rise out of. A despair demon would be interesting.

[Welsh Inferno]

More demons would be a welcome addition. Despair sounds like it could work nicely to me. But they really need to give Sloth & Hunger demons unique models too. As of now they are just given the same look as shades.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 11 décembre 2012 - 05:45 .

[Fredward]

MR_PN wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Wow. Some rilly, rilly interesting ideas about despair in this thread. XD

But yeah. A despair demon would be reeeeaaaalllllllyyyyy depressing. Oh! They could write depressing poetry on the walls with their victims blood! That could work. Hey maybe Edgar Allan Poe was secretly possessed by a despair demon?

 wow what a dbag thing to say edgar allan poe was an artist

Yes, yes he was. A depressing one. xp

[NoForgiveness]

the emo girl likes the rain..