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[Giant ambush beetle]

Gluttony demon should manifest itself as a gargantuan piece of delicious chocolate glazed cherry cheese cake with the special attack of throwing cake crumbs and cherries at the player that impact like the rocks ogre throw.

It should be at least a semi-boss with very few health points but strong magic that charms his attackers with its irresistible chocolate-smell that makes his foes get close to take a bite of it...thats when the demon strikes with his sweet crumbly cake fists to sate his enemies once and for all.

DAI is going to be awesome, I know it.

[EricHVela]

My only concern would be to implement the demon so that it's significantly unique. A Despair demon seems to have the same result as a Sloth demon: the afflicted unwilling to do anything. Different reasons? True. Same result? Yup. Sloth does indeed fill that niche without creating a new skin on the same villain.

Hunger? Greed? Just use Desire. Same result.

Needs to be a demon that brings something new to the field.

[Vortex13]

ReggarBlane wrote...

My only concern would be to implement the demon so that it's significantly unique. A Despair demon seems to have the same result as a Sloth demon: the afflicted unwilling to do anything. Different reasons? True. Same result? Yup. Sloth does indeed fill that niche without creating a new skin on the same villain.

Hunger? Greed? Just use Desire. Same result.

Needs to be a demon that brings something new to the field.

But what if the Despair demon fed off demons as well?

Vortex13 wrote...

What if a Despair demon fed off both mortals and demons? Think about it, the lore suggests that the benevolent spirits are jealous/envious of what mortals have; whether that is because of daddy issues with the maker or just seeking the "stability" of the waking world is left up to the player. Now since demons want what mortals have and attempt to emulate them within the fade it would only be logical that a "force" like Despair would be drawn to mortals and demons alike. After all many demons would gladly live in the waking world for one day then spend untold thousands of years merely watching from the fade. 

I would picture a Despair demon to function in essence like the Nothing of the Never Ending Story; a force as described by one of the characters as a DISPAIR eating the land of Fantasia. Despair is not an emotion persay, but it does have a draining effect on those it acts upon, and if a powerful ruler were to fall to despair the resulting impact could bring down nations.

*Edit And a quote from the Never Ending Story about why a Despair demon could be dangerous:

"People have have begung to lose hope and forget their dreams. And people who have no hope are easier to control."

[Pelle6666]

We can't blame everything on demons. Some times despair is only despair and in a fantasy epic like Dragon Age that is a theme that should be weaved into the narrative any way. Kill off some characters, introduce hard moral choices, let us actually feel despair on behalf of our characters instead of slapping a symbolical demon character on the screen.

[Vortex13]

Pelle6666 wrote...

We can't blame everything on demons. Some times despair is only despair and in a fantasy epic like Dragon Age that is a theme that should be weaved into the narrative any way. Kill off some characters, introduce hard moral choices, let us actually feel despair on behalf of our characters instead of slapping a symbolical demon character on the screen.

not everything is blamed on demons though; when Alistar, or Fenris gets angry is it because of a Rage demon? When you complete a romance is it because of a Desire demon? 

Now I do agree that not everything in the main ques line should "because of a demon" but having a demon of Despair wouldn't automatically mean a Devil made me do it story.

[Medhia Nox]

What would be more important is to show more people like Cullen in DA:O.

People who aren't the PC - actively resisting demonic forces (though Cullen is also resisting Abominations).

I don't mind demons being birthed - or feeding - off of how NPCs are naturally feeling, but I could do with less coercion.

[MisterJB]

David Gaider wrote...

We've actually discussed new types of demons-- despair, in fact, being one of them. You should see at least one new major type of demon in DA3.

Sweet.
Maybe a Demon of Guilt which would make people's greatest regrets surface and drive them into suicide? Or perhaps more Corrupted Spirits like Justice/Vengeance.

If the team is keeping with the Seven Sins, it lacks Greed and Envy.
Plague Demon?
Fear Demon?

Modifié par MisterJB, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[Leanansidhe]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

We also need:

Fear Demon

Snip of awesomely colorful graph

"Don't taunt the Fear Demon."

"Why?  Can it hurt me?"

"No, it's just tacky."


Also, @Mousestalker

Excellent Buffy quote.

[modernfan]

It would be really cool to see male desire demons.

[Steppenwolf]

Writing it off as a bad idea because Despair Demons weren't in the previous games or mentioned in in-game literature is silly. The Fade is still a mystery. Was their literature on spirits of justice becoming demons of vengeance? Or on spirits inhabiting dead bodies? No.

[MisterJB]

BasilKarlo wrote...
Or on spirits inhabiting dead bodies? No.

Yes. "Codex entry: Corpse" Not that I disagree with you, BTW.
Unless you're making a distinction between spirit and demon.

[Avaflame]

mousestalker wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

We've actually discussed new types of demons-- despair, in fact, being one of them. You should see at least one new major type of demon in DA3.

Demon of Interpretive Dancing, you've heard that here first folks. Tell your friends.

A dancing demon, no something isn't right there...

You. Marry me.

[WhiteKnyght]

David Gaider wrote...

We've actually discussed new types of demons-- despair, in fact, being one of them. You should see at least one new major type of demon in DA3.

Cole from Asunder was a Despair Demon, wasn't he? His presentation certainly gave the impression.

- Only people in desperation can see him, save Rhys.

- The real Cole was in a moment of despair when the demon came to him.

Btw: while the subject of Asunder is up, the last scene with Cole and Lambert was amazing. Bone chilling.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 12 décembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[DarkDragon777]

I rather like this idea.

[Josielyn]

I can easily see a Despair demon as being the worst of all. And it would make an excellent boss fight.

[TEWR]

MisterJB wrote...

If the team is keeping with the Seven Sins, it lacks Greed and Envy.

Those fall into Desire. A Desire demon will prey on a person's desires -- for money, for wealth, for power, for love, etc. -- and Envy could IMO be considered a form of Desire as well.

[Rorschachinstein]

Nizaris1 wrote...

there should be Jealous Demon...jealousy lead to the dark side...

Sounds like a Desire demon.

[Fredward]

clipped_wolf wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Okay firstly how is hunger and lust at all the same thing? Unless using hunger specifically as a synonym for lust. I rarely want to have sex with my food.

Sex and hunger drives compel you to act in order to reach a state of homeostasis, to not be hungry or have lust.  Thirst is much the same way.  They are survival drives, one for your preservation, one for the preservation of the species.
If you want something badly we might say you hunger for it, or if you are obsessed (even non-sexually) that you lust for it.  Rarely want to be rude with your food?  So you do experiment now and then?

Well, yah know. Dem donuts can be such teases. XD

But this still doesn't change the fact that these two "emotions" are motivated by completely different desires which was my point to begin with. They're also needs of varying import. But whatever, I don't even remember why I'm arguing semantics. This is why I shouldn't visit the BSN in the mornings. xp

[Lintanis]

David Gaider wrote...

We've actually discussed new types of demons-- despair, in fact, being one of them. You should see at least one new major type of demon in DA3.

Will they taste of smoked ham :P

[Joah]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

there should be Jealous Demon...jealousy lead to the dark side...

Sounds like a Desire demon.

Jealousy is different than desire. Jealousy is like you see someone have a boyfriend, you want to destroy that someone because you feel that someone don't deserve to have boyfriend, it doesn't mean you like that guy at all, it just you are jealous..

Desire is...you want a boyfriend, but you have none, maybe because you are not attractive, so that lead to desire to become beautiful and get a boyfriend...

While envy is...you see your friend have a boyfriend, but you have none, so you feel you should have one, the one belong to your friend

Just becuase you don't desire the man doesn't mean you don't desire the destruction of the person who has him.
And the when you envy your friend for having the man you want that means you desire him to be yours.
Everything you said could fall unde ar desire that a Desire Demon could potentially exploit.

[AxeloftheKey]

While new types of demons is interesting, I liked the reliance on your seven deadly sins, it just fit really well. Despair is neat, but I'd like to see the other 3 sins (Gluttony, Envy, and Greed) first.

[Mr.Fellows]

AxeloftheKey wrote...

While new types of demons is interesting, I liked the reliance on your seven deadly sins, it just fit really well. Despair is neat, but I'd like to see the other 3 sins (Gluttony, Envy, and Greed) first.

Gluttonny and greed fall under desire. Envy does too, but you can also call it anger.