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[jmadsen]

Dude it would be so awesome if they made a demon/undead/spirit like One Of Many, you know a being composed of several thousand smaller Spirits. 

[InfinitePaths]

Great

[Fast Jimmy]

I would be intrigued if they added newer demons to the lore. Either ones that are less prolific and haven't been observed/recorded before, or spirits who are neither good, like Valor, Justice or Faith, but are neither demons. Spirits which embody feelings or emotions that could fall on either side of the spectrum.

For instance, despair is not an inherently destructive virtue (like hunger, desire, etc. could be) although it is surely not a "positive" emotion. This being could feed on the emotion of its host, but not go out its way to make its host feel said emotions or cause more despair to others... it just would be.

Could be coolish.

[Fortlowe]

Perhaps a spirit of curiosity or humor or love?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Despair is a far more negative emotion and destructive than hunger. Hunger is merely a symptom of sustenance requirement, despair is a state of hopelessnes, which can lead to self-destructive behavior.

[Fast Jimmy]

Fair enough. Sloth isn't all that destructive, either, to be honest. If you are lazy, you are usually nt hurting anyone. I guess the writing team just wanted to parrot Catholiism's seven deadly sins.

I would like to see a despair demon. Of some more varied instances of demons/spirits.

[InfinitePaths]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Despair is a far more negative emotion and destructive than hunger. Hunger is merely a symptom of sustenance requirement, despair is a state of hopelessnes, which can lead to self-destructive behavior.

Not hunger for food,but hunger like greed

[Herr Uhl]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Despair is a far more negative emotion and destructive than hunger. Hunger is merely a symptom of sustenance requirement, despair is a state of hopelessnes, which can lead to self-destructive behavior.

Not hunger for food,but hunger like greed

It is slightly more geared towards gluttony than just greed though. Desire demons are the ones that seem to appeal to greed at a greater extent.

[EmperorSahlertz]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Despair is a far more negative emotion and destructive than hunger. Hunger is merely a symptom of sustenance requirement, despair is a state of hopelessnes, which can lead to self-destructive behavior.

Not hunger for food,but hunger like greed

Hunger demons are embodiments of literal hunger, not greed. Greed is the dominion of desire demons. Greed is basically just a negatively charged connotation of desire, whereas desire by itself is more ambiguous.

[BlazingSpeed]

MR_PN wrote...

if there was a despair spirit ithink it would fall on the benevolent side despair isnt an emotion that would lead to evil like pride

It might if Kelis from the Ferelden Circle had gotten possessed by a depair demon and then thinking that putting as many of her suffering fellow mages out of thier misery and into Andrastes arms is the makers divine will.

In one of the rumors and hersay Dragon Age Origins Epilogue unhardened Leliana was also in a of state despair because of what the warden did.

Modifié par BlazingSpeed, 26 décembre 2012 - 08:32 .

[Mr.Fellows]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Hunger demons are embodiments of literal hunger, not greed.

It's not literal hunger either. Remember the hunger demon who fed off the profane? Those things did not eat like humans do, and more importantly: he offered you a way out of the deep roads. Hunger, in this case, is need; survival. The profane would die without the lyrium, and you would die if you couldn't get out.

[Silfren]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

So based off your own concept of a despair demon, what would happened to the possessed/manipulated victim?

Something akin to clinical depression.

Oh, they could just turn into a hideous abomination and go on a murderous spree, which seems to be what happens with most possessions.

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I would think that the Sloth demon could fill that role. A giving up of hope, not caring anymore, etc.

However, more info on the spirit world would be nice.

Categorizing despair as a form of sloth strikes me as bizarre. I've been lazy and I've been sad, and being lazy is much more fun.

Sloth as defined by Dragon Age isn't synonymous with laziness.  From the Sloth Demon Codex: The truth is that demons of sloth are named so because this is the portion of the human psyche that they feed upon. Doubt. Apathy. Entropy. They seek to spread these things. The sloth demon hides in its forms, a master of shapes and disguises, always in the last place you look... and from its hiding place it spreads its influence. A community afflicted by a demon of sloth could soon become a dilapidated pit where injustices are allowed to pass without comment, and none of the residents could be aware that such a change has even taken place. The sloth demon weakens, tires, tears at the edges of consciousness and would much rather render its victim helpless than engage in a true conflict. Such creatures are best faced only with a great deal of will, and only with an eye to piercing their many disguises.

The problem seems to be that the DA writers are defining sloth with concepts more typically associated with depression rather than true laziness, but there it is.  Apathy and doubt certainly are aspects of clinical depression.  So I think it's definitely the case that Sloth Demons per DA's own lore could fill the role well enough.

Modifié par Silfren, 26 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mr.Fellows wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Hunger demons are embodiments of literal hunger, not greed.

It's not literal hunger either. Remember the hunger demon who fed off the profane? Those things did not eat like humans do, and more importantly: he offered you a way out of the deep roads. Hunger, in this case, is need; survival. The profane would die without the lyrium, and you would die if you couldn't get out.

The Profane were feeding on the Lyrium, and as such had a hunger for Lyrium, it was this hunger the Demon fed off of. Still a hunger for sustenance, not a traditional one, but still literal hunger.

[Silfren]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

For instance, despair is not an inherently destructive virtue (like hunger, desire, etc. could be) although it is surely not a "positive" emotion. This being could feed on the emotion of its host, but not go out its way to make its host feel said emotions or cause more despair to others... it just would be.

Could be coolish.

Shyeah, uh, no.  Despair IS inherently destructive, and extremely so--seriously, despair is precisely what is so debilitating, even lethal, about clinical depression.  (It's not a virtue, either).  I fail to see how a creature embodying despair would NOT be a demon under the kind of classification Bioware has set up, or why it wouldn't want/need to go out of its way to enflame despair in its host or create despair in others. 

[Silfren]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mr.Fellows wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Hunger demons are embodiments of literal hunger, not greed.

It's not literal hunger either. Remember the hunger demon who fed off the profane? Those things did not eat like humans do, and more importantly: he offered you a way out of the deep roads. Hunger, in this case, is need; survival. The profane would die without the lyrium, and you would die if you couldn't get out.

The Profane were feeding on the Lyrium, and as such had a hunger for Lyrium, it was this hunger the Demon fed off of. Still a hunger for sustenance, not a traditional one, but still literal hunger.

I think, though, that hunger need not be defined as a literal need for sustenance.  In metaphorical terms, concepts like Hunger, Desire, Gluttony, Greed...they're all different terms, different degrees, of more of less the same thing.  It would be rather disappointing, actually, for Bioware to have demons concerning such human vices as apathy, greed, and pride, only to toss in a demon for literal hunger as well.  In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of alliance between Hunger and Desire demons, based on the one possibly being lesser incarnations of the other rather than separate species, as it were, or because they are separate species but ones which have very closely intertwined needs and interests.  'Cuz really, Hunger is just another word for Desire.

[InfinitePaths]

What I meant and what most likely do they mean with hunger is addiction to something,you can't get enough,you need more,whatever you do you are still 'hungry' for something.

[BlazingSpeed]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

What I meant and what most likely do they mean with hunger is addiction to something,you can't get enough,you need more,whatever you do you are still 'hungry' for something.

That's what the codex for DAO says about the shades concerning human lifeforce which also explains why the shades use aura of weakness and drain life.

[Versus Omnibus]

David Gaider wrote...

We've actually discussed new types of demons-- despair, in fact, being one of them. You should see at least one new major type of demon in DA3.

[Urzon]

As long as there is a new major spirit to go with the new type of demon, I'll be happy.

*Crosses fingers for Spirit of Sacrifice*

[gneisenau556]

We need a spirit of humor, or a spirit of debauchery that sends you out on crazy quests.

[Caellis]

Great idea ! Could bring tear-jerking sidequests !

[Urzon]

I could see a quest of the PC investigating a rash of suicides in a city. S/he would question people in the area and/or family members, and try and find the demon or abomination that's driving people to kill themselves, so it could feed on their great depair just before death.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Despair Demon...that takes two attempts to kill.