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[Ziegrif]

Because there's no kill like overkill.

[GhostFaceDon1]

Obsession with gear consumables? I mean...really? One day I will join the elite crowd. lol

[Uchimura]

It's courtesy and it shows enough commitment that you're not going to bail at the first sign of trouble.

[Leland Gaunt]

Uchimura wrote...

It's courtesy and it shows enough commitment that you're not going to bail at the first sign of trouble.

Basically this.

[unclemonster]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think consumable gear is a must if you're on gold and that you're a noob if you don't use them.

In my opinion, it's quite the opposite. Consumable gear is just a crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match...

Should I just let them go to waste?
I have them...use them!!!

[Pensrule1985]

Do not overlook the additional explosions you can create. IE, you are a AA. Add incindiery ammo and you can now make Fire explosions. Also, Ill look for gear that will add assitance to my TEAM. All these lone wolves rarely care about that.

[UnknownMercenary]

By the time I finished my manifest I had 100+ of each level 4 ammo, and that was with me using level 3s and 4s constantly.

You'd be ****ing stupid to not use them.

[przemko877]

My own personal experience: I know that people who are using consumables equipment will most probably use medi gel and cobra rockets if necessary. They care about getting the job done, they care about getting the credits, they won't play to joke around.
There are far too many people that don't care about team play, co-op. They join with low levels, no consumables and hope that somebody else will solo the rest of the match for them, they have no shame, it's easy credits for them.
Am I obsessed with gear consumables? Maybe a little, yes, but that's how the game was supposed to be. If the difficulty is too high for you, there is better ammo/weapon amp/armor amp for you to use. It helps to build up more experience and skill.

[Lajkos]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think consumable gear is a must if you're on gold and that you're a noob if you don't use them.

In my opinion, it's quite the opposite. Consumable gear is just a crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match...

They say that becaus the majority of players that don't use gear in Gold matches spend the most of the game dead

[Derahu]

I actually had a run-in with an elitist consumist a few days ago. I was playing the valkyrie and I put adaptive war amp (+15% biotic damage) and readied up and went to the bathroom. I came back to see I had a message from this guy when it was only like 10 seconds into the match. He said, "thanks for not using consumables NOOB!" Five minutes later he quits when its wave 3 and he has 1600 points and I have 7000... poetic justice...

[Squire Rudi]

My own, biased perception of somebody not using consumables when everybody else in a random lobby does is either one or more of these (in no particular order):

a) The player doesn't know how to use the full potential of their kit.
He / She hasn't played enough to build at least a small stack of useful items.
c) They are stingy / not willing to chip in like everybody else.
d) They could be really good players, but seem to be looking for a challenge "at my expense".

None of the above would automatically make me place a kick-vote on that player, but one thing is certain: The match will take longer than it would if everybody came dressed in their finest.

I might be in the mood to accept that, but then again I might be not.

[MetalDeggial]

Oh look, it's this thread again.

"I'm so badass I dun need no consumablez. I dabess! F33r my l33t skillz!". Seriously, stop leeching from players. Saying that you don't need consumables because you are so awesome, in a co-op game, is just the kind of attitude that makes PUGs unbearable these days. You are not even accounting the multitude of bugs and the crappy lag you can be subjected to in this game. Consumables not only help your sorry ass; they help your teammates. So stop being a douche and put them on or GTFO of the lobby. Simple as that. I have carried teams dozens of times when I get dropped into a match naked. But is no excuse to not use them when I host my lobby or get dropped into one before going out, instead of being put into a game in progress. I mean, seriously, not even Cryo Ammo, Shield Power Cells and lvl. 1 amps or Targetting VI? What a stingy leecher.

Skill... HA! Randoms already struggle hard enough with consumables equiped. The only time I would recommend not using any consumables would be when you are looking for random games. You don't want to get dropped into wave 11 or wave 1 with everyone wiped out and the host rage-quitting, effectively losing your stuff.

And if you are still pulling the "I'm badass and know how to play" card, then what Uchimura said: it's courtesy with others, showing that you are comitted to the cause and will not bail when things go bad.

Modifié par MetalDeggial, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:57 .

[cdzander]

There is no challenge banner or match medal for having the most unused consumables in your inventory. They are there to be used. There is actually no benefit to NOT use them. Is there a valid point to letting them pile up, collecting dust? Do real life soldiers go into battle half-kitted out when they have readily available supplies?

I always have ammo and usually an armor mod. A weapon mod if I happen to have one that matches my loadout. All I have left to max my manifest are URs. Most PSP are 2 more level IV ammo/armor mods. I've got plenty, may as well use them.

[aimimia]

Honestly, I wan you to play with sirian, jay and stentron In the same lobby, and I want to see how your score won't be even half of theirs. Most pugs are not that great, they don't know the spawn system, they don't know how to use classes effectively and they fail at aiming. Saying you can out score most pugs is not.... Something k be proud of. Sure.. You ate better then the average, but te average doesn't know how to play the game. When you get 200k+ in a 15 min game with three other good people, then I would accep your reasons for not using it.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

MetalDeggial wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.

"I'm so badass I dun need no consumablez. I dabess! F33r my l33t skillz!". Seriously, stop leeching from players. Saying that you don't need consumables because you are so awesome, in a co-op game, is just the kind of attitude that makes PUGs unbearable these days. You are not even accounting the multitude of bugs and the crappy lag you can be subjected to in this game. Consumables not only help your sorry ass; they help your teammates. So stop being a douche and put them on or GTFO of the lobby. Simple as that. I have carried teams dozens of times when I get dropped into a match naked. But is no excuse to not use them when I host my lobby or get dropped into one before going out, instead of being put into a game in progress. I mean, seriously, not even Cryo Ammo, Shield Power Cells and lvl. 1 amps or Targetting VI? What a stingy leecher.

Skill... HA! Randoms already struggle hard enough with consumables equiped. The only time I would recommend not using any consumables would be when you are looking for random games. You don't want to get dropped into wave 11 or wave 1 with everyone wiped out and the host rage-quitting, effectively losing your stuff.

when you pug you inherently accept that this is a pug and everyone in this pug will do whatever they want so take your militant ideas and GTFO if you cant handle pugs go get some friends and play a game....stop being butt devastated.

I never use equipment/consumables in gold games

[Pensrule1985]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

I never use equipment/consumables in gold games

Achievement unlocked? Keep pating yourself on the back. You equip a shuriken too, right?

[Ice Cold J]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think consumable gear is a must if you're on gold and that you're a noob if you don't use them.

In my opinion, it's quite the opposite. Consumable gear is just a crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match...

I agree with you mostly, but when a teammate gets messed up b/c you're slow to use a missle or gets killed b/c you didn't use an ops pack/medigel, it gets kinda annoying.

[Bolo Xia]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

Oh look, it's this thread again.

"I'm so badass I dun need no consumablez. I dabess! F33r my l33t skillz!". Seriously, stop leeching from players. Saying that you don't need consumables because you are so awesome, in a co-op game, is just the kind of attitude that makes PUGs unbearable these days. You are not even accounting the multitude of bugs and the crappy lag you can be subjected to in this game. Consumables not only help your sorry ass; they help your teammates. So stop being a douche and put them on or GTFO of the lobby. Simple as that. I have carried teams dozens of times when I get dropped into a match naked. But is no excuse to not use them when I host my lobby or get dropped into one before going out, instead of being put into a game in progress. I mean, seriously, not even Cryo Ammo, Shield Power Cells and lvl. 1 amps or Targetting VI? What a stingy leecher.

Skill... HA! Randoms already struggle hard enough with consumables equiped. The only time I would recommend not using any consumables would be when you are looking for random games. You don't want to get dropped into wave 11 or wave 1 with everyone wiped out and the host rage-quitting, effectively losing your stuff.

when you pug you inherently accept that this is a pug and everyone in this pug will do whatever they want so take your militant ideas and GTFO if you cant handle pugs go get some friends and play a game....stop being butt devastated.

I never use equipment/consumables in gold games

actually since this is a team oriented game i have to say you got it backwards, it is people with your point of view that make PUG's a bad experience.

most common answer to not using equipment or consumables is "i dont care about people on my team", so go play solo then badass and let that team get someone actually usefull.

usually when i play with Pug's they usually lay around dead more often if they dont equip anything.
so i put on my stuff just to speed up the process of having to finish the waves with less people or by myself after i have collected the gold revive badge off of these "badass's" by wave 1.

i dont see how making one's self a better killer makes them a noob, seems quite the opposite to me.

i also have a hobby, its kicking non equipment/consumable users, its so much fun reading their tears on the forums when they post "why did i get kicked boohoo butthurt boohoo" 

[DrFace007]

I wish I didn't have to reply from phone so I will have to keep this short. Basically, I used to be the same way and almost still am until they reached 255 and credits would go to waste bcuz store still gives u them but they get thrown away since 255 is limit. Since then I always use at least lvl 1 stuff for gold.

The mindset of getting too soft or complacent is understandable. But flawed. Bcuz of balance nerfs. There is no guarantee any weapon will do the same damage next week, so don't get used to any weapon don't get complacent to anything.

This happened for a lot of krysae users and could happen to anything. Bcuz of this, that reasoning is pointless.

[CreoleLakerFan]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think consumable gear is a must if you're on gold and that you're a noob if you don't use them.

In my opinion, it's quite the opposite. Consumable gear is just a crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match...

It isn't a must, but IMHO the passive racial trees are too vanilla and don't offer a seasoned player enough distinction between playstyles.  So I use armor consumables to accentuate the differences between classes to make it fun for me while I grind through the challenges U/R unlock process.

[drmoose00]

well, ur real gud then!

i have dozens of level IV why wouldn't i use the consumables? faster, easier match on gold. I save the weapon amps for platinum tho, since those seem to come more infrequently

hell, I usually equip IV ammo on silver if I run a match there for grins. I have 130+ cyro III/IV.....

but that you don't, well that is just pure awesomeness!

Modifié par lemon00, 11 décembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[SoulRebel_1979]

Derahu wrote...

I actually had a run-in with an elitist consumist a few days ago. I was playing the valkyrie and I put adaptive war amp (+15% biotic damage) and readied up and went to the bathroom. I came back to see I had a message from this guy when it was only like 10 seconds into the match. He said, "thanks for not using consumables NOOB!" Five minutes later he quits when its wave 3 and he has 1600 points and I have 7000... poetic justice...

Real ballers wear diapers when they play dude. Just saying..................

[Zjarcal]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Still though, as I said, I value actual skill determining my performance. It literally bothers me to use consumable gear because I know it's not me on that scoreboard, it's my consumables.

Does it also bother you to use good weapons then? Or to spec your characters in a good way?

Consumables are a part of the game and they allow for different strategies that would otherwise not be possible (i.e. using AP ammo while not using piercing mods).

While consumables aren't needed to be succesful, the idea that using comsumables is a "crutch" is just ridiculous.

EDIT: You also mentioned "skill"... do your consumables do all the aiming and shooting for you? Do they make the right call for you when in a tight spot? Hmm... I must find these consumables that enhance "skill".

Modifié par Zjarcal, 11 décembre 2012 - 06:20 .

[stilly1]

Use no consumables and you recieve the kick vote in my lobbies. Joining lobbies with people using them and you refusing to put them on because you're clearly so amazing that you don't need them is just stupid and disrespectful in my opinion. I've kicked top 10 on leaderboards using good classes with level X URs and then readied with someone who hasn't leveled all classes to 20 because of not using consumables before and the sub 120 performed just fine.

Question to OP, several times it's been asked and every time you've ignored it, why do you think the devs added consumables into the game exactly? It would seem like to help people do a little bit better and that my friend, is not a crutch. (I only read to page 4 or 5 so excuse me if you did answer but until there, no you didn't.)

Modifié par stilly1, 11 décembre 2012 - 06:18 .

[bendermac]

let me ask this: what's keeping you from using consumables in the first place? do you get a special price when you hit maximum? do you wanna keep them in case titanium with sprinkles of diamond difficulty comes along?