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[megabeast37215]

I'll carry a noob with zero equipment and terribad guns who has nothing through a Platinum game, before I'll carry one with a level X rare who refuses to put on equipment.

The percentage of players actually good enough to be contributors on Gold without equipment is quite low... maybe 2-5%. It's not worth risking putting myself through a bad match just to see if they're on of the few who can. Therefore, no equipment = kick.

[Vicious011]

Couldn't have said it better myself Mega. Even if I'm with a couple / few friends and a random comes in, if they have no equipment on, they get a warning Y button. If still no equipment, they get a second shot and then kicked. No carrying scrubs. If you want to run gold/platinum, the only you should have eq and not be a complete liability to the rest of the team.

[Gethzilla-N7SP]

Okay, do you think it is not necessary to use consumables during a match.

This means that you probably did not bother with the score. After all ... the time it takes you to kill a centurion, I'll knock three guardians, because I use consumables.

It also means that you will probably die once or twice times during the game, since the damage you can cause is smaller, and your shields are significantly lower. I will not die, because I'll probably be equipping some consumable.

You also can not use tech combos with the same frequency that I can do it, because my guns will use special ammunition.

I could do like you and play without any consumable ... but the game would be extremely boring. I play ME3 to have fun, play with strangers, always in public lobbies. I never know how much they are skilled and able to survive and help the team. I do not know if they will play as a team. But I know that, properly equipped, I can take with me a bad team to extraction if necessary.

[Blarg]

OP, you almost sound like a troll/elitist. But I'll do my best not to think about that when I answer:

Sure, skill is great and all, but why would you not use every resource available to you, even if you can solo platinum with a melee specced Volus and no shield boost? Challenge is fun, yes, but not when it's overwhelming, which is why people prefer to have gear.
As for why BSNers call gear-less people noobs: well, that's because most of the playerbase is really bad at gold and need every advantage they can get. If they're not using it, they're considered noobs because a) they're new and don't have the equipment, or they're too dumb to equip it.

[Xena_Shepard]

Bolo Xia wrote...

funny
thing is when people like the OP here lose an argument that they fully
believe in and after they still dont agree but try to save face with
"oh... uhhh... ya guys i was trolling... ya thats it!!"

its like people caught with their pants down in public, then try to turn it into "i meant to do that" scenerio.

its really just a pathetic excuse to try to save face.

There's no argument to be had. An argument implies one side or the other is trying to be changed, whereas I never intended to change minds. If a mind is changed, great, but I wanted to assess community opinion.

przemko877 wrote...

My own personal experience: I know
that people who are using consumables equipment will most probably use
medi gel and cobra rockets if necessary. They care about getting the job
done, they care about getting the credits, they won't play to joke
around.
There are far too many people that don't care about team
play, co-op. They join with low levels, no consumables and hope that
somebody else will solo the rest of the match for them, they have no
shame, it's easy credits for them.
Am I obsessed with gear
consumables? Maybe a little, yes, but that's how the game was supposed
to be. If the difficulty is too high for you, there is better
ammo/weapon amp/armor amp for you to use. It helps to build up more
experience and skill.

Honestly, in my personal experience it's the equipment-users that are the ones who go off and are obsessed with their own score, to the detriment of the team...

I don't know what game all the posters are playing, but I've seen far more rage quitters/uncooperative jerks that are equipment-users than not.

unclemonster wrote...

Tronar wrote...

OMG. Another cheap gamer looking for an excuse why he thinks it might still be ok to increase the risk of failure for the entire team and even if it went to full extraction being responsible for a longer time than necessary.

Just adding Incendiary Ammo for example allows you and your squadmates to detonate enemies with Fire Explosions. This fact alone should be enough to answer your question.

You could as well ask: why should I use my biotic or tech powers during the game? Real pros can finish a platinum match even with Level 1 characters and common weapons.

Edit after checking OP's manifest: he has an N7 rank of 69, unlocked only 6 rare and 0 ultra-weapons so far and he has nearly 0 consumables. So essentially we can close this thread, because he qualifies completely for the term "noob". He has 0 experience and thus no clue about the details of the game (which - since a good manual is missing for ME3 MP - is not his fault per se). But either the 10 pages in this thread could convince him by now or he is just a hopeless case.

There we have it!!!!

People who can't look a couple inches down into someone's signature to see their manifest link are lecturing me now? Seriously...

I am not "xenashepard" on Origin. My manifest link is in my signature.

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

OP, you almost sound like a troll/elitist. But I'll do my best not to think about that when I answer:

Sure,
skill is great and all, but why would you not use every resource
available to you, even if you can solo platinum with a melee specced
Volus and no shield boost? Challenge is fun, yes, but not when it's
overwhelming, which is why people prefer to have gear.
As for why
BSNers call gear-less people noobs: well, that's because most of the
playerbase is really bad at gold and need every advantage they can get.
If they're not using it, they're considered noobs because a) they're new
and don't have the equipment, or they're too dumb to equip
it.

I don't quite understand why people want to accuse me of being an elitist (well, I do know but I'll be pleasent enough not to say it). I mean, let me get this straight: I'm an elitist because I refuse to do what everyone thinks you're a noob for not doing..? So I guess if I don't use their uber kits, I'm an elitist too...

Thanks for the civil reply though. And I do know most of the playerbase is really bad at gold... Hence why I consider equipment a crutch, which I don't need.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Miniditka77]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think consumable gear is a must if you're on gold and that you're a noob if you don't use them.

In my opinion, it's quite the opposite. Consumable gear is just a crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match...

I don't think it means you're a noob if you don't use consumables.  It just means I don't want to play with you.

PUG Gold matches are nowhere near a guaranteed success, and I want my chances of success maximized.  I don't know the people in my lobby or how good they are, and unfortunately, I have to burn some consumables and waste some time before I find out.  It makes me feel a lot more comfortable when I see that others are trying to maximize chances for success too.  Also, if someone doesn't equip consumables, it leads me to believe they are going to be stingy with using Missiles, Medi-gel, etc. in the match.  This likewise affects my chances for success.

Also, you say that you don't equip consumables because you feel that the scoreboard doesn't accurately reflect your ability then?  Really - so I suppose you use only Common/Uncommon weapons too?  Because if you're using a high-level Rare or UR gun and you're outscoring someone whose best gun is a much lower level, that doesn't accurately reflect your skill either.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[PureGeth]

After looking at OP's manifest, they use consumables, just not equipment.

Either way, equipment helps in matches to make time go faster. Everyone here is basically repeating themselves over and over again and the OP still doesn't understand it.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Blarg]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

OP, you almost sound like a troll/elitist. But I'll do my best not to think about that when I answer:

Sure,
skill is great and all, but why would you not use every resource
available to you, even if you can solo platinum with a melee specced
Volus and no shield boost? Challenge is fun, yes, but not when it's
overwhelming, which is why people prefer to have gear.
As for why
BSNers call gear-less people noobs: well, that's because most of the
playerbase is really bad at gold and need every advantage they can get.
If they're not using it, they're considered noobs because a) they're new
and don't have the equipment, or they're too dumb to equip
it.

I don't quite understand why people want to accuse me of being an elitist (well, I do know but I'll be pleasent enough not to say it). I mean, let me get this straight: I'm an elitist because I refuse to do what everyone thinks you're a noob for not doing..? So I guess if I don't use their uber kits, I'm an elitist too...

Thanks for the civil reply though. And I do know most of the playerbase is really bad at gold... Hence why I consider equipment a crutch, which I don't need.

No, it's not because you don't play the uber kits, it's because of the way you worded your post. The implied tone of "consumable gear is just a crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match..." seems a bit elitist. Probably just miscommunication.
Most of the regular posters on BSN don't need gear, but we're a very small portion of the playerbase. As I said, most consider players without gear to be noobs simply because they're new or too dumb to use it, and not because of actual lack of skill.

[Xena_Shepard]

PureGeth wrote...

After looking at OP's manifest, they use consumables, just not equipment.

Either way, equipment helps in matches to make time go faster. Everyone here is basically repeating themselves over and over again and the OP still doesn't understand it.

Obvious troll is obvious.

I... do understand, only too well. It's just nice to have this discussion and hear people's views.

If I said the real reason why I understand why people use equipment, I'd get blasted for it. So I'm keeping it civil and just letting people speak their minds, offering my counter-opinions where I can.

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

No,
it's not because you don't play the uber kits, it's because of the way
you worded your post. The implied tone of "consumable gear is just a
crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match..." seems a
bit elitist. Probably just miscommunication.
Most of the regular
posters on BSN don't need gear, but we're a very small portion of the
playerbase. As I said, most consider players without gear to be noobs
simply because they're new or too dumb to use it, and not because of
actual lack of skill.

I have been told I can miscommunicate these types of things. When I said it's just a crutch, that's purely my opinion. I never accused the equipment-users at large to their faces of being noobs that need crutches. You can use a crutch even if you don't need it. I simply classified them as crutches, and that's all (and just how I feel).

People taking what I said personally is... well, their own fault.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 11 décembre 2012 - 10:10 .

[SilentStep79]

[quote]Xena_Shepard wrote...

I won't apologize if my teammates are so bad that the entire match hinges on me. Though, it does sometimes, and I can still pull through.

Still though, as I said, I value actual skill determining my performance. It literally bothers me to use consumable gear because I know it's not me on that scoreboard, it's my consumables.

[quote]

if you think consumables are the sole reason for your sucess in a round, you're selling that "skill" of yours short.
if you want to top scoreboards without any help from them to test you damage-dealing abilities, that's a different matter. either way, it appears you can hold your own without them. the main problem most ppl have with non consumable use is that the people who NEED them never use them, consequently becoming a burden on the squad. it's clear that you don't need them.
have a nice day.

[Blarg]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

No,
it's not because you don't play the uber kits, it's because of the way
you worded your post. The implied tone of "consumable gear is just a
crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match..." seems a
bit elitist. Probably just miscommunication.
Most of the regular
posters on BSN don't need gear, but we're a very small portion of the
playerbase. As I said, most consider players without gear to be noobs
simply because they're new or too dumb to use it, and not because of
actual lack of skill.

I have been told I can miscommunicate these types of things. When I said it's just a crutch, that's purely my opinion. I never accused the equipment-users at large to their faces of being noobs that need crutches. You can use a crutch even if you don't need it. I simply classified them as crutches, and that's all (and just how I feel).

People taking what I said personally is... well, their own fault.

Eh, fair enough. I don't view it as a crutch, but more of a generic tool. Everyone's entitled to their opinion though. I didn't take the remark personally, but I did see it as a bit odd in how you phrased it.
Anyways, you have my explanation on why people called you an elitist, and on why people call the gear-less players noobs.

I should go.

[monkeyhunter]

Not a must but I prefer blowing stuff away in 2 shots, instead of 5.

[ThatOddGuy]

i only really use consumables on gold. Silver is too easy.

[Swan Killer]

Show some commitment, use your ****ing consumables.

[billpickles]

Wow, this has really gone on for 12 pages? Stop feeding him, people!

[WoWwacker]

Gold and Platinum I use gear and expect others. Its not a crutch in my opinion, its about getting through the games without too much issues. To me the cobra missles are more of a crutch then using the gear.

I know its a video game and all but I do take a more real life view point. Why not set myself up to succeed and expect others to do as well when you are doing something as a team. Id rather play with a player using a less optimal kit with consumable boneses then a player with an optimal kit and no consumable bonuses. Mostly because I feel like that one with the consumable gear has more invested and I wont be seeing him bleed out and no using a single medigel.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

All I have to say is...

[cciadr]

If I see someone in my gold public game using no consumable, I will kick him regarding his N7 levels. To me, it is a sign of ignoring success of the game. If you want to train your skill, why not do a solo by yourself instead of joining a PUB gold game.

[Shinnyshin]

This thread is still going? Christ.

This thread only exists because of a mix-up in terms. It's not inherently "noob" to not use consumables in gold+.  But it is inherently rude as hell. If you don't use consumables, you're being an ass to your team.

And from reading this thread, it's very easy for me to imagine the OP being rude as hell.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:01 .

[hostaman]

This is a very strange argument. Consumables are no more a crutch, than going into a game with a level X weapon. You always want to give yourself the best chance of (a) doing well, and ( serving your team.

I have quite a low N7 for Gold (I never promote) so I try to make up for it by stacking on the best gear I have - Level III ammo, and good weapon and shield Buffs.

I might use some level I ammo on Silver (a good way to get rid of explosive rounds) and a weapon buff but little else. If I'm in Bronze for practice or leveling up, I normally use nothing.

Having said all that I would never kick a player for any reason other than (a) being abusive or ( failing to ready-up. I don't care what you're packing in my games.

[lynch108]

I assume people with no gear will quit in wave 3. Why? Because it happens 70% of the time. Especially if they have a fraction of the score of the leader.

[RiouHotaru]

I prefer the conserve my consumables, to be honest. I'll use lower level ones first.

Also, a lot of people like to say a class/weapon is OP...but then use consumables to make the argument. Which is retarded. If a class/weapon is OP, make your case WITHOUT using consumables to do so.

[Carbuncle]

allways that one guy who quits at the start. its usually the one who didnt put on consumables since he has nothing to lose and no one revived him.

[Xena_Shepard]

Shinnyshin wrote...

This thread is still going? Christ.

This thread only exists because of a mix-up in terms. It's not inherently "noob" to not use consumables in gold+.  But it is inherently rude as hell. If you don't use consumables, you're being an ass to your team.

And from reading this thread, it's very easy for me to imagine the OP being rude as hell.

Not sure why you say that, I've been nothing but civil. It's quite rude, however, to assume something about me when you've never played with/talked to me.

Carbuncle wrote...

allways that one guy who quits at the
start. its usually the one who didnt put on consumables since he has
nothing to lose and no one revived him.

I know, those people annoy the hell out of me. Though it doesn't happen very often, it does happen.

I go by a personal honor code of never quitting. I believe in seeing something through when you've committed to it, no matter how distasteful it may be. I've only ever quit 2 matches in the entire history of Mass Effect 3: once when I got into a really bad wave 8 that was bad because the match was unbelievably laggy, and a second time when a match started and the match was laggier beyond belief (as in a brute's in front of me... then I drop dead, and he charges over my corpse 3 seconds later, lag that bad.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:24 .

[Miniditka77]

hostaman wrote...

This is a very strange argument. Consumables are no more a crutch, than going into a game with a level X weapon. You always want to give yourself the best chance of (a) doing well, and ( serving your team.

^^This^^

The Harrier is a crutch, so I'm not going to use mine any more.  If I finish 1st on the scoreboard in my Gold match, I feel like it was my Harrier and not me.  In fact, I'm only using the Avenger X from now on.  That way, the scoreboard will accurately reflect my skill.