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[SoundWraith]

[quote]Xena_Shepard wrote...

[quote]SoundWraith wrote...

Thread title is unclear and misleading on what OP wants to debate.

Consumables
can be a crutch but ultimately it's up to the player to make good use
of them. Stacking the best of them all together doesn't equate to an
automatic iWin setup. Imo consumable usage goes hand in hand with weapon
loadouts and mod choices. Even the kit in question plays a part in my
consumable choice.

More power to you if you don't think it's necessary but whatever rocks your boat.[/quote]

My apologies, I don't often post threads.

Though, it seems a lot of people don't understand what "consumable" gear is.

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Consumables and gears are often referred to separately to avoid confusion.

Consumable usage wasn't as impt even around the Earth DLC period, iirc. Around Retaliation-period is when the viewpoint changed due to the game getting harder. Talking about gold games here.

Generally, the opionion is that not using consumables shows lack of commitment by the player, esp those using unmaxed uncommon and rares. Which often has said player quiting half-way thru due to underperformance or dying too much. Or more infamously speaks as trying to get carried by the other players in the lobby using more powerful consumables.

I can understand  your standpoint here but few other players would, especially in-game if you don't or can't opine your reasons.

[solidprice]

stop being cheap,use them. its like condoms. its ment to be used.

hope i dont get he hammer...>.>

[Noahsun]

What else are you going to use them for ? I just assume people are too lazy to select them when I don't anything cued up.

[Farosyrn]

Not using any doesn't make you a noob. It just makes you an elitist/****rd jerk. Definitely so in PUGs when you are expected to clutch a couple of waves if you can. Not to say that I never go without/just a lvl I ammo consumable depending on the kit.

[Moby]

There's skill in video games?!

[Tarelgeth]

Really, it only comes down to, maybe you really are just -that- good. Awesome. No doubt, you're almost certainly better than I am, and I respect that.

But someone just as good who's using their equipment is better, and I respect them more.

*shrug*

Modifié par Tarelgeth, 11 décembre 2012 - 07:50 .

[SaltBot]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I'm the type that values actual inherent player skill. People think they're good if they use consumable gear, but it's just the gear that's good.

Are you using a Rare or UR weapon, mod, or character? If so, then it's still just about the gear.  Yes, it can be done, but if you don't have to play without consumables then why do it? You can't trade them for credits, and you can't take them with you when you leave the game. What are you saving them for?

YOU know that you have the skill to do it without them. Why do you need to prove it to strangers on the internet? Conversely, how does it affect you if some stranger uses consumables as a crutch rather than dying every 30 seconds? Is your self-worth pinned to how someone on ME3 views you in awe? I highly doubt it. So why? Or rather, why not?

Modifié par SaltBot, 11 décembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[Stinja]

They appear to be an important part of the game - constant rewards from RNG store, prominent in lobby weapon screen, new ones added at intervals.

I'm guessing Bioware's intent is we use permenant Gear and one-use consumables, so is that the way the game is meant to be played? So no I do not see them as a crutch.

Really if you have permenant gear you should equip it, no excuses.

One-use is trickier. How good is the player, does their build require it (BE Fury dosent need power gear say), are they running low on that item?
But yes essentially I think you should be using one-use on an appropriate difficulty.
For a long time I didn't use level IV's, but then I realised I had over 50 of most ammo, so now I spam them every single game: bronze? I'll just use a Cryo IV. Gold take a proper warp IV or AP.

[Tarelgeth]

Stinja wrote...

They appear to be an important part of the game - constant rewards from RNG store, prominent in lobby weapon screen, new ones added at intervals.

I'm guessing Bioware's intent is we use permenant Gear and one-use consumables, so is that the way the game is meant to be played? So no I do not see them as a crutch.

Really if you have permenant gear you should equip it, no excuses.

One-use is trickier. How good is the player, does their build require it (BE Fury dosent need power gear say), are they running low on that item?
But yes essentially I think you should be using one-use on an appropriate difficulty.
For a long time I didn't use level IV's, but then I realised I had over 50 of most ammo, so now I spam them every single game: bronze? I'll just use a Cryo IV. Gold take a proper warp IV or AP.

I've always wondered why I see people with random IV ammo in Bronze/Silver....

[Homey C-Dawg]

Gamers will call each other noobs for anything. If you start equipping consumables, they'll just pick on something else.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Look how badass I am. I play without Gear

XXX

[FreedTMG]

I view it as not me that needs it, but the other people in the game may not be good enough to complete the game. So I treat it like a solo game. It sounds cocky as hell, but it is how I have had to play when playing with a full team of randoms. It has served me well for a long time as well.

[Dragonhalls]

u should play alone then,no one wants a long 40 minute gold match

[punkzed]

All i seem to get from packs is consumables. A while back i started using them all of the time. Can't understand why you wouldn't. Makes the game so much quicker if you have to solo the end of a round

[Leonia]

So what should I do with my consumables instead, horde them and save for a rainy day? I certainly don't waste them on silver or bronze matches and don't play enough platinum yet. Maybe they're a crutch for some players but you can't paint everyone with broad strokes. There's no one correct way to play a character or to spend credits/consumables, every playstyle is viable. 

Modifié par leonia42, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:03 .

[N7 ElusiveOne]

Tarelgeth wrote...

I've always wondered why I see people with random IV ammo in Bronze/Silver....

It could be many factors.
Person X doesn't care and does what they want.
Person X doesn't know the power of the ammo and just got it.
Person X has too many of them and is using them just to do it.

Personally I don't use any consumables on anything below gold, because other people also don't typically use any. However the first Lvl IV Warp I got I used on silver to see what's what. I'm fairly sure the first 5 rounds were all my kills, plus I was using the harrier on the TGI, It was overkill.

[Stinja]

Tarelgeth wrote...

Stinja wrote...

For a long time I didn't use level IV's, but then I realised I had over 50 of most ammo, so now I spam them every single game: bronze? I'll just use a Cryo IV. Gold take a proper warp IV or AP.

I've always wondered why I see people with random IV ammo in Bronze/Silver....

Well I don't play much silver, and very rarely bronze.  But yes, when you're regularly buying PSPs, and all you get is level IV ammo, you literally can not use them up fast enough.


As another thought, the threads on difficulty, or game is frustrating etc, do you think it would be easier with gear?  Ever thought BW balances the difficulty on the assumption gear/1use is used?

Modifié par Stinja, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[Kogia]

OP you've gone down a wrong path with your view on consumables, they are no more a crutch for players to rely on than setting up a character with certain skills, gear & weapons. All are different ways to build up a character to play with. Otherwise there's no difference between what you say and someone else who thinks if you choose to use a Harrier over an Avenger you're using a crutch that doesn't reveal your true skill.

As for what people think (or kick) based on consumables in lobbies, I generally don't bother to kick on it, but in my experience someone who doesn't put on consumables for gold matches, also doesn't want to use medigels & rockets, etc. As others have said, by not putting any on you're displaying not a measure of skill, but a measure of care and commitment to the success of the match.

Modifié par Kogia, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[Siran]

What else to do with consumables then? Wait for christmas? I usually always take at least one or two consumables for each Gold match and still have plenty to spare, so why hoard it, just so that you can brag how good a player you are without consumables? Guess what - you'd be an even better player with them...

Modifié par Siran, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[SoundWraith]

ElusiveOneN7 wrote...

Tarelgeth wrote...

I've always wondered why I see people with random IV ammo in Bronze/Silver....

It could be many factors.
Person X doesn't care and does what they want.
Person X doesn't know the power of the ammo and just got it.
Person X has too many of them and is using them just to do it.

Personally I don't use any consumables on anything below gold, because other people also don't typically use any. However the first Lvl IV Warp I got I used on silver to see what's what. I'm fairly sure the first 5 rounds were all my kills, plus I was using the harrier on the TGI, It was overkill.

I'm convinced my pile of 50+ disruptor and warp 4 will never be used up. AP will grow to that level too eventually. I do limit myself mostly to cryo and disruptor usage or lower levels of other ammo on brz/slvr though. Power and weapon amps are saved for gold/plat.

[Imp of the Perverse]

If someone isn't using equipment it makes me think its because they're always running out, which shouldn't happen if you're regularly completing gold games. It also makes a huge difference in damage output. People obsess over weapon level, but most weapons only increase about 20% in damage from I to X. A level 3 weapon amp boosts it 30%, level IV AP ammo ~60%, level IV warp ammo against primed targets 120%.

[Tarelgeth]

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

+1 for awesome name.

[APEX KING19]

i could probably do gold without consumables using my batsol or geth trooper. but as i dont have my manifest maxed im still heavily reliant on getting the creds. so i would rather use consumables to make mine and everyone in the lobbies life easier. and you saying using consumables is like an athlete taking a banned substance is saying were cheating for using them which is just stupid. we use them to do our best for our team.

[Xena_Shepard]

SaltBot wrote...

Are
you using a Rare or UR weapon, mod, or character? If so, then it's
still just about the gear.  Yes, it can be done, but if you don't have
to play without consumables then why do it? You can't trade them for
credits, and you can't take them with you when you leave the game. What
are you saving them for?

YOU know that you have the skill to do
it without them. Why do you need to prove it to strangers on the
internet? Conversely, how does it affect you if some stranger uses
consumables as a crutch rather than dying every 30 seconds? Is your
self-worth pinned to how someone on ME3 views you in awe? I highly doubt
it. So why? Or rather, why not?

I do see your point, but parts of your manifest aren't single-use. They're consistent, always there.

It's
just fun to score high/do well without any form of aid. I don't really
care what other people use, as long as they leave me alone and let me do
my thing.

Dragonhalls wrote...

u should play alone then,no one wants a long 40 minute gold match

I've had maybe a handful of 40 minute long matches ever... and those were because my teammates were just absolutely terrible and would wipe early into each wave from 6 onwards.

My gold matches average 20~23 minutes, usually.

Kogia wrote...

OP you've gone down a wrong path with your view on consumables, they are no more a crutch for players to rely on than setting up a character with certain skills, gear & weapons. All are different ways to build up a character to play with. Otherwise there's no difference between what you say and someone else who thinks if you choose to use a Harrier over an Avenger you're using a crutch that doesn't reveal your true skill.

As for what people think (or kick) based on consumables in lobbies, I generally don't bother to kick on it, but in my experience someone who doesn't put on consumables for gold matches, also doesn't want to use medigels & rockets, etc. As others have said, by not putting any on you're displaying not a measure of skill, but a measure of care and commitment to the success of the match.

I don't quite see why people keep referring back to this. In no way are supplies and consumable equipment the same.

You can get enough supplies for a single match from a 33K pack. Level I consumable gears are non-factors, not even worth using, so you're talking about going up into the III or IV which aren't as readily availible as supplies... So, really, anybody that thinks no consumable gear = no supply use just doesn't have any idea.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[Shinnyshin]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Kogia wrote...

OP you've gone down a wrong path with your view on consumables, they are no more a crutch for players to rely on than setting up a character with certain skills, gear & weapons. All are different ways to build up a character to play with. Otherwise there's no difference between what you say and someone else who thinks if you choose to use a Harrier over an Avenger you're using a crutch that doesn't reveal your true skill.

As for what people think (or kick) based on consumables in lobbies, I generally don't bother to kick on it, but in my experience someone who doesn't put on consumables for gold matches, also doesn't want to use medigels & rockets, etc. As others have said, by not putting any on you're displaying not a measure of skill, but a measure of care and commitment to the success of the match.

I don't quite see why people keep referring back to this. In no way are supplies and consumable equipment the same.

You can get enough supplies for a single match from a 33K pack. Level I consumable gears are non-factors, not even worth using, so you're talking about going up into the III or IV which aren't as readily availible as supplies... So, really, anybody that thinks no consumable gear = no supply use just doesn't have any idea.

Actually, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation that many people have already mentioned: commitment to the match.  Not having consumables is an indicator (not a 100% true symptom, but indicator) of not being committed, not being willing to burn stuff.  And I think we can ALL come up with pages of anecdotal evidence on how that one guy (often the one with a weak loadout) doesn't bring consumables, underperforms, doesn't use resources and supplies, and makes a gold run hell.

At the lobby, we have no way of knowing what kind of player you are.  So even if you're 1000x better than we are, you coming in with a setup that screams: "Lolol have fun carrying me for the next 35 minutes"...  Well even if that's not how things actually are, giving off that impression will earn you no friends.

I think you'll find a disproportionate % of leechers, moochers, and people who make gold runs absolutely no fun use no consumable equipment.

Modifié par Shinnyshin, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:43 .