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[InvincibleHero]

BleedingUranium wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


You shouldn't promote; only excuse is the N7 or weekend challenge.

I like promoting. Not for the N7 or the epeen, but for taking low level characters into gold and challenging myself that way, and for experimenting with different builds on all kits of a class. Your way to play the game is not the only way.

That's fine, I don't mean it's a bad thing, so much as I meant it's odd to argue that not using consumables is intentionally making yourself worse (being seen as bad), while intentionally making yourself worse by promoting is seen as fine.

Promoting is fine if you want to, but those two arguments don't mesh very well

Some characters can be almost as effective at 8 as at 20. QMI only needs 4 levels of TC and full arc grenades and boom. Most kits by 12-14 can be what you need just lacking a 3 power or some health/shields which isn't as beneficial on gold/plat anyway. Most have powers that are used sparingly or not at all anyway. I never use the missiles for destroyer for example. if people actually levelled they'd learn how to min/max better and try different combinations.

[BleedingUranium]

count_4 wrote...

Well, this is quite different from what the OP said (and what you kinda adopted by defending and agreeing with them) and I fully agree.
Using consumables should never become imperative to successfully beating matches.

The point I was making with that was that I know, for example, exactly what the kill time of my weapon damage spec'd HME's Avenger with Scope/AP and AR Amp V is (my Shepard kit). I may not able to tell you how many shots it takes to kill something, but when I use it, I know exactly how it's going to perform.

Sometimes using a Rail Amp I, sometimes Targeting VI III, sometimes Disruptor Ammo II, sometimes Cryo Ammo IV, that screws with your ability to know what your kit's going to perform like.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 11 décembre 2012 - 10:51 .

[HolyAvenger]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Leland Gaunt wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...
There is no point to hoarding consumables.

This is pretty much it. What are you saving your consumables for? I mean, if you don't use them on Gold+, when are you ever going to use them?

Platinum.

I save my good stuff for Plat (high level Cyclonic Mods, Warp Ammo etc), but low level stuff or less useful consumables like Cryo ammo or explosive rounds, or even stuff like targeting VI which is pretty meaningless in Plat...stick em on for gold.

I guess you need to learn better what you need for Plat. Once you get more than 2 plat extractions, you might be a bit more knowledgeable about it all

/elitistdbag

[Xena_Shepard]

BleedingUranium wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Well, this is quite different from what the OP said (and what you kinda adopted by defending and agreeing with them) and I fully agree.
Using consumables should never become imperative to successfully beating matches.

The point I was making with that was that I know, for example, exactly what the kill time of my weapon damage spec'd HME's Avenger with Scope/AP and AR Amp V is (my Shepard kit). I may not able to tell you how many shots it takes to kill something, but when I use it, I know exactly how it's going to perform.

Sometimes using a Rail Amp I, sometimes Targeting VI III, sometimes Disruptor Ammo II, sometimes Cryo Ammo IV, that screws with your ability to know what your kit's going to perform like.

I think the irony of this is that you've articulated one of my points better than I.

HolyAvenger wrote...

I
save my good stuff for Plat (high level Cyclonic Mods, Warp Ammo etc),
but low level stuff or less useful consumables like Cryo ammo or
explosive rounds, or even stuff like targeting VI which is pretty
meaningless in Plat...stick em on for gold.

I guess you need to
learn better what you need for Plat. Once you get more than 2 plat
extractions, you might be a bit more knowledgeable about it all

/elitistdbag

Heh, yeah, I don't play platinum. Primarily because I don't feel like pugging it.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 11 décembre 2012 - 10:52 .

[Hausner85]

E-peen is strong in this one:) She wants to show us it by not using consumables.... I guess you want revive me if i fallen because I shroud learn to live without it and your to busy fighting for high score. It's not like this is a co-op game and we success or fail as a team. So your decision not to use the consumables isn't making team weaker as a hole....

And in the real world what is more possible no consumables mean that players isn't committed to the match or lacking consumables because his spending everything on SP packs in false hope good weapons will make him a good players. Players with no con because his so good that it doesn't matters is case of 1 in a 1000

And NO your not that GOOD!

[ElementL09]

Gold with randoms.

I'm using equipment because its gold and because I don't know how good these people I'm playing with are going to be in game (besides looking at there loadouts for there character). I'm also using equipment because I play alot of Silver because that difficulty is easier and less stressful then Gold. I don't even use equipment on Silver because I know that I'm not going to need it.

I know how to play the game, but if its on a higher difficulty and I do have equipment at my disposal, why not use it? Heck if the enemies are going to be buffed, why not my character?

Modifié par ElementL09, 11 décembre 2012 - 10:54 .

[WizeMan305]

If there is one thing I have to applaud the OP for it is tenacity, given all the reasons and still so headstrong.

[count_4]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...
2.  use the Harrier on... one character.

So you only use crutches on one character. How does that make you superior to those players who use crutches more often?

the Harrier is a permanent item of gear and not what I'd classify as a crutch

What's
the difference between permanent gear that makes the game easier and
consumable gear that makes the game easier? Why do you condemn one but
not the other?
And what about non-consumable gear?

A permanent gear will always be there for you. Let's put it this way: if I could buy a pack, say, for 33k, that came with a specific set of equipment, my opinion would be different (still wouldn't use it). Point is, sure, you can get equipment from packs. But, say you're running that krogan soldier and you're using incendiary ammo which you set off with your carnage. Boom, you're out of incendiary ammo, what do you do now? That's just an example to showcase my point on why I don't use equipment, as to not become reliant on its effects.

Same point as with Uranium then - why do you use Medi-Gel, Rockets and Ops Packs?
Especially the Cobra use suggests that you neither have enough skill to deal with dangerous situations nor to avoid them in the first place and that you're clearly relying on (pretty explosive) crutches to limp through matches.

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Leland Gaunt wrote...
What are you saving your consumables for?

Platinum.

Xena_Shepard wrote...
Heh, yeah, I don't play platinum.

Also, lol. 

Modifié par count_4, 11 décembre 2012 - 10:57 .

[_sigge_]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I'm genuinely curious as to why people think consumable gear is a must if you're on gold and that you're a noob if you don't use them.

In my opinion, it's quite the opposite. Consumable gear is just a crutch that helps people with no skill limp through a match...

Can I ask what you're saving yours for?

[Xena_Shepard]

Hausner85 wrote...

E-peen is strong in this one:) She wants to show us it by not using consumables.... I guess you want revive me if i fallen because I shroud learn to live without it and your to busy fighting for high score. It's not like this is a co-op game and we success or fail as a team. So your decision not to use the consumables isn't making team weaker as a hole....

And in the real world what is more possible no consumables mean that players isn't committed to the match or lacking consumables because his spending everything on SP packs in false hope good weapons will make him a good players. Players with no con because his so good that it doesn't matters is case of 1 in a 1000

And NO your not that GOOD!

Depends. Did you die off fighting like a lone wolf during an objective? Yes I'd leave you to rot. However, the majority of the time I'd be the one dodging around brutes to get to your body and rez you. It seems the general idea is that you can't be competitive and cooperative at the same time.

It's funny, 'cause all the people berating me about it being a "cooperative" game are the same people who don't trust their teammates enough to know what they're doing, so they demand they use gear... Awful hypocritical...

[BleedingUranium]

count_4 wrote...

Same point as with Uranium then - why do you use Medi-Gel, Rockets and Ops Packs?
Especially the Cobra use suggests that you neither have enough skill to deal with dangerous situations nor to avoid them in the first place and that you're clearly relying on (pretty explosive) crutches to limp through matches.

Actually, my low Cobra/Medi-Gel count is due to me refusing to buy JEPs, because they don't give me anything permanent. I dislike paying for temporary things, so I only get them randomly in PSPs, and I only get those on Tuesdays for the new character, as I have everything else. Except the elusive Ops Pack Capacity 6

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 11 décembre 2012 - 10:56 .

[Xena_Shepard]

count_4 wrote...

Same point as with Uranium then - why do you use Medi-Gel, Rockets and Ops Packs?
Especially the Cobra use suggests that you neither have enough skill to deal with dangerous situations nor to avoid them in the first place and that you're clearly relying on (pretty explosive) crutches to limp through matches.

I gel when nobody can get to me, but I always wait a little bit to see if someone will rez me.

I ops pack if a get hit by a banshee warp/ravager acid/whatever and know I'm going to DoT out.

I rocket exclusively on wave 10, or if there happens to be some emergency situation... I never rocket below wave 8.

Supplies are easy to obtain, and I can always reliably get the exact same ones. It'd be different if you were randomly given different kinds of supplies in jumbo packs.

[InvincibleHero]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

It's funny how people get so defensive so quickly o_O I never insulted anyone, I simply stated that, in my opinion, using equipment is a crutch. If you're insulted by that, that's on you. People tend to get insulted by something when it rings true.

Saying it is a crutch is an insult. If you use a level X ultra rare like harrier it is a crutch then by your logic. You should be using the worst weapon and a level 1 then. For the record I use level 1s in gold because I have over a hundred of each. I extract from gold 99% of the time while scoring well and helping the team with using rockets and gels when needed. You cannot be a good team player with your attitude.

You really think it says you are more skilled for not using it? LOL. Do you think olympic level athletes would not use a shoe that shaves 1/10 of a second off their hundred meters time? Nope that would be stupid. You could perform better, but choose not to to stroke your ego. You could be a better teammate but choose not to. You could be more considerate of the other people but choose not to.


You're just trolling people.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:01 .

[rlro]

It is not obsession. If you are a veteran player you will have tons of consumables to use. So, if you enter into a gold lobby and doesn't equip anything, it says immediately to me that you are a noob.

[Xena_Shepard]

WizeMan305 wrote...

If there is one thing I have to applaud the OP for it is tenacity, given all the reasons and still so headstrong.

I said before this is a discussionary thread. I wanted to assess the community opinion, and that's what I'm doing.

Nothing will make me change how I play, not anybody's reasons or what they feel about me, because honestly I couldn't care less what people think of me.

Think of this as a delving into the psyche of the BSN player.

[count_4]

BleedingUranium wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Same point as with Uranium then - why do you use Medi-Gel, Rockets and Ops Packs?
Especially the Cobra use suggests that you neither have enough skill to deal with dangerous situations nor to avoid them in the first place and that you're clearly relying on (pretty explosive) crutches to limp through matches.

Actually, my low Cobra/Medi-Gel count is due to me refusing to buy JEPs, because they don't give me anything permanent. I dislike paying for temporary things, so I only get them randomly in PSPs, and I only get those on Tuesdays for the new character, as I have everything else.

You must have some really bad luck then, cause I have 187 Cobra missiles (and I'm not afraid to use them) and bought maybe 5 JEPs in the entirety of my MP experience.

[HolyAvenger]

count_4 wrote...

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Xena_Shepard wrote...

Leland Gaunt wrote...
What are you saving your consumables for?

Platinum.

Xena_Shepard wrote...
Heh, yeah, I don't play platinum.

Also, lol. 

[LoonySpectre]

If you get insulted for not using gear at all, just troll them. Get a Geth Plasma Shotgun, equip it with AP ammo (GPS doesn't pierce armor at all) and Targeting VI (GPS does not headshot). You have your consumables, but they don't boost your performance in any way. Problem solved.

[BleedingUranium]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

It's funny how people get so defensive so quickly o_O I never insulted anyone, I simply stated that, in my opinion, using equipment is a crutch. If you're insulted by that, that's on you. People tend to get insulted by something when it rings true.

Saying it is a crutch is an insult. If you use a level X ultra rare like harrier it is a crutch then by your logic. You should be using the worst weapon and a level 1 then. For the record I use level 1s in gold because I have over a hundred of each. I extract from gold 99% of the time while scoring well and helping the team with using rockets and gels when needed. You cannot be a good team player with your attitude.

You rally think it says you are more skilled for not using it? LOL. Do you think olympic level athletes would not use a shoe that shaves 1/10 of a second off their hundred meters time? Nope that would be stupid. You could perform better, but choose not to to stroke your ego. You could bet a better teammate but choose not to. You could be more considerate of the other people but choose not to.


You're just trolling people.

Two problems here:

-You missed the point, that comsumables are temporary (obviously). A Harrier X is permanent.

-The Harrier is only a crutch if that's the intention of the player when they use it. Making lots of credits isn't farming unless making lots of credits is the reason for playing. It all comes down to intention on that point.

[Xena_Shepard]

count_4 wrote...

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Xena_Shepard wrote...

Leland Gaunt wrote...
What are you saving your consumables for?

Platinum.

Xena_Shepard wrote...
Heh, yeah, I don't play platinum.

Also, lol. 

Maybe you shouldn't quote edit my reason for not playing platinum (pugs).

I'm waiting for the planets to align and get 3 platinum-worthy buddies on to go play platinum with. Mostly waiting for an xbox friend to get a PC.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:03 .

[Titus Thongger]

consumables act as a signalling device to your level of commitment to a game.

[Xena_Shepard]

LoonySpectre wrote...

If you get insulted for not using gear at all, just troll them. Get a Geth Plasma Shotgun, equip it with AP ammo (GPS doesn't pierce armor at all) and Targeting VI (GPS does not headshot). You have your consumables, but they don't boost your performance in any way. Problem solved.

I do troll people who'll vocalize their issues with my lack of equipment. It's quite funny. They usually get bent out of shape, which makes it funnier. Bonus points for when I do better than them.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:06 .

[HolyAvenger]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Maybe you shouldn't quote edit my reason for not playing platinum (pugs).

I'm waiting for the planets to align and get 3 platinum-worthy buddies on to go play platinum with. Mostly waiting for an xbox friend to get a PC.

Yeah but its bizarre you think you're saving Cryo Ammo or the like for Plat games.

I'm playing Plat a lot recently. If you're actually a decent player and will equip consumables (LAWL), feel free to add me on Origin.

[BleedingUranium]

LoonySpectre wrote...

If you get insulted for not using gear at all, just troll them. Get a Geth Plasma Shotgun, equip it with AP ammo (GPS doesn't pierce armor at all) and Targeting VI (GPS does not headshot). You have your consumables, but they don't boost your performance in any way. Problem solved.

AP Ammo makes you way better against armour though, which is why I use Shedder on the GPS (among other non-piercing weapons)

[InvincibleHero]

BleedingUranium wrote...
Two problems here:

-You missed the point, that comsumables are temporary (obviously). A Harrier X is permanent.

-The Harrier is only a crutch if that's the intention of the player when they use it. Making lots of credits isn't farming unless making lots of credits is the reason for playing. It all comes down to intention on that point.

Adding +10% to weapon damage is less a "crutch" than using a harrier X vs. an avenger X. The point is the OP is insulting people and I have seen people with level III and IV consumables fail consatntly in silver which i rarely play anymore with level 20 characters and good guns. It will not help a low skilled player limp through gold as the Op suggests. It is a trollbait topic nothing more.

I have never said they are noobs but I will kickvote unless I know them when they come into my gold lobbies naked unless I am feeling generous and they have a good loadout and high n7. Even this proves a poor indicator of skill. Hundreds of matches with PUG players have proven no gear bleeds out and doesn't use rockets in 95+% of the time and usually is in that "desirable" fourth place score slot.