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[Apex Sammoth]

FFMagee wrote...

Given the time-difference between release of the game and the future release of the expansion pack, it's fairly clear that development of this content (along with all extra content released up to this point) was at least started before the release of the game. Given that, it's not that ridiculous to think that there would be new content that was already in the process of being worked on by the time the game shipped announced/released before some patches that would require entirely new work and rigorous testing to make sure that they don't break anything else are released.

I definitely agree that they've done a fairly terrible job of keeping in contact with their community, especially when there are players who can't play either due to the game being broken for them or the risk of breaking their computer. However, to assume that the expansion wasn't started before launch and isn't mostly complete now is frankly stupid. Yes they've had time to make an expansion pack because they didn't start on it yesterday.

Also, about the point of Bioware being a whole company, are you saying that the Mass Effect 2 and SWTOR teams should drop what they're doing as well? As nice as it would be for them to do that in order to get the patches we need out, it's not going to happen.



TLDR: They've had plenty of time to make the content because they started working on it well before the game was finalized. Unfortunately, they were not aware of the issues many of us are experiencing until after launch. Also, any fixes they develop will require an intense amount of testing to ensure that their fixes don't create new issues. Does it suck? Yes. Is it understandable how this is working? Yes.

Actually the thing I said about them being a whole company is just that. I don't really care what there excuse is I just want DOA to work since I paid for it.  Being a whole company has a lot to say about what they are doing and are NOT doing. Also can ruin there reputation if done badly. Sad thing is they have always had a good track record. Every company has a division and if they have several for DAO then why not say "Hey we have some serious problems with DAO let's fix it as a TEAM" instead they have them apart which is not productive balance but, hey as long as they keep getting feed money for broken products they will be doing it that way until someone says "Hold Up your game is broke". I for one have already stated they will not see a DIME of my money until DAO is fixed. NO DLC, NO ME2, NO SWTOR, NO Nothing made by them again until this is resolved. I never said that it’s not understandable on how it is done but, the way I look at it. If you have the time to make and Expansion you should have the time to fix the Broken Product.  This being said below is a quote from GM on today’s Tech. Some software companies should take this into consideration when developing games because one day people won't put up with it. Plus it’s funny.
 

In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release
stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we
would all be driving cars with the following characteristics (and I just
love this part):

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a
new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would
have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the
windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you
could continue. For some reason you would simply accept
this.

4. Occasionally, executing a manoeuvre such as a left turn would cause your
car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case
you would have to reinstall the engine.

5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,
five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but would
run on only five percent of the roads.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be
replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal
Operation" warning light.

7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.

8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and
refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the
door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
"CTRL/ALT/Delete"

9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how
to
drive all over again because none of the controls
would operate in the same manner as the old car.

10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.

[Rayne Myria Solo]

As a quick response (to no one in particular) regarding the responses I got:



1) Bioware/EA pays me nothing, I've just been a player of their games since NWN, and have loved every one, though all have had issues and bugs, just like most other PC games I've played.



2) I'm well aware of some of the problems the PC version has, such as the memory leak increasing load times, that's worse with some PCs versus others, weaker machines will be affected faster. With me it takes 3-6 hours to get unplayable (about 2ish to be annoying enogh load-time wise I reboot it, and it's fine afterward). After 3-6 hours, it's a good hint I need to stop anyway They're aware, and are working on it, They've stated that patch development is out about 1-2 versions from where we are.



3) CPU overheating cannot be the game's fault, it can certainly cause it, but it's a problem with your system that needs to be handled otherwise.



4) As far as I understand it, Return to Ostagar was not "cancelled" but merely pushed back. If you bought the points early, that was..unwise...they will still be good when it does come out, or you could use them for later DLC, or for ME2 DLC.



5) 90% of "Product Liability" as linked has no bearing on computer games of this nature, as it involves what thy're required to do/handle the game is in a playable state for I would asume 80-90% of the player base, anything otherwise, take it up with EA or Bioware..or wait like the rest of us.



6) My game is not "fine" but I did not experience anything I considered massively game-breaking, especially once the 1.01b patch released, it has issues, yes, but again, nothing destructive.



7) It's actually best to look at and think about DAO as an MMO, with similar development needs and requirements. I realize this doesn't fit for most of you, but it's a reality on the way it works.

[Valaskjalf]

patch team =/= content development team.

[Apex Sammoth]

5) 90% of "Product Liability" as linked has no bearing on computer games of this nature, as it involves what thy're required to do/handle the game is in a playable state for I would asume 80-90% of the player base, anything otherwise, take it up with EA or Bioware..or wait like the rest of us.

The only reason you don't hear about it much is people are not filling lawsuits on gamming developers for Buggy games. Your right you can’t just sue because the software is buggy. Now on the other hand if software somehow damaged your computer in any way because of there negligence in developing software that they develop they can be held accountable for it. Even, though the lawsuit would cost a fortune to make. You are selling a product to a consumer therefore you are responsible for the products nature by design on how it affects or has affected its consumers and there rights.

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 07 janvier 2010 - 01:39 .

[dakkon10]

Windows Vista 64bit
I7 920 @ 2.66ghz
HD Radeon 4870 w/ 1gb DDR5 memory
6gb DDR3 memory
Had onboard realtek HD Audio, but upgraded to Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatality pro sereis

^^ With that setup i'm having pretty terrible audio problems, sluggish graphics at parts, and game starts to slow down after maybe an hour playing.
I tried about 5 different versions of drivers with the realtek onboard audio, none fixed my problems. I upgraded to a 150$ sound card, and that didn't fix my audio problems.
So what exactly seems to be my problem? Because i'm pretty confident i exceed the minimum and recommended system requirements.

*Windows Vista 64bit

Modifié par dakkon10, 07 janvier 2010 - 01:49 .

[Laktheos]

To be honest how could you not expect bugs from a game this big? It has DLC's and is a huge game for your computer all around. I think they released it early without testing everything, but they wanted it for the holidays. Now, I for one will sit her patiently to wait for some kind of answer or solution, and complaining gets us no were fast. I suggest filing reports to EA/Bioware about our problems. It might make them aware of exactly is hindering our game play.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Oh for the Eyes Of Andraste, listen to yourselves for once, instead of shouting to the entire galaxy that YOUR SYSTEM is having issues, would you like Bioware to buy a plane ticket, for one of their Programmers to come to your house, and fix your PC for you?(consoles can melt)

How many different configurations(PC,or CON-sole) do you have where you play this game?
could all the software engineering firms have all possible configurations at their fingertips? thought not!

you do know why they are called "consoles" , it's because everyone tries to console each other. ROTFLMAO.

And yes, I'm a PC elitist!! and proud of it.....oh and apart from increasing load times between areas(which is easily corrected), I'm enjoying this immensely, thank you Bioware.

Modifié par ohupthis, 07 janvier 2010 - 04:14 .

[Apex Sammoth]

Laktheos wrote...

To be honest how could you not expect bugs from a game this big? It has DLC's and is a huge game for your computer all around. I think they released it early without testing everything, but they wanted it for the holidays. Now, I for one will sit her patiently to wait for some kind of answer or solution, and complaining gets us no were fast. I suggest filing reports to EA/Bioware about our problems. It might make them aware of exactly is hindering our game play.

Um when it’s this big I expect it to be better them most games out. My gawd they have the financial backing from EA. Actually complaining does get us somewhere because if nothing is said nothing will be done about it. PERIOD. If they at least addressed the issues then maybe people would not complain.

[Apex Sammoth]

ohupthis wrote...

Oh for the Eyes Of Andraste, listen to yourselves for once, instead of shouting to the entire galaxy that YOUR SYSTEM is having issues, would you like Bioware to buy a plane ticket, for one of their Programmers to come to your house, and fix your PC for you?(consoles can melt)

How many different configurations(PC,or CON-sole) do you have where you play this game?
could all the software engineering firms have all possible configurations at their fingertips? thought not!

you do know why they are called "consoles" , it's because everyone tries to console each other. ROTFLMAO.

And yes, I'm a PC elitist!! and proud of it.....oh and apart from increasing load times between areas(which is easily corrected), I'm enjoying this immensely, thank you Bioware.

LMAO quit defending them. I am happy it works on your system More the reason you shouldn't even be posting on this thread. Not all Load Times fixes work for everyone. Where did you come up with that ? Like I said above if Bioware would actullay do some feedback to some of the community then maybe people would biotch as much. The tech support for this game has been TERRIBLE.

[evermandibles]

While there are easy fixes for a lot of issues, it isn't an acceptable business practice to expect the consumer to hunt down a solution for problems he/she encounters with the software - especially if the issue(s) is pervasive..



What is an easy work around for one can be difficult to fathom for another, and, thus, isn't a legitimate or a moral way for problems with software to be handled..



That being said, ehhh.... its a pc game. PC software in any venue is notorious for being buggy.



It's like choosing to be friends with Cosmo Kramer or George Castanza.. and expecting them to not be neurotic.

[Dennis Carpenter]

Allow me to be the first to offer cheese and crackers.................just remember to not get crumbs in the bottle....... :-)

[Apex Sammoth]

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

Allow me to be the first to offer cheese and crackers.................just remember to not get crumbs in the bottle....... :-)

Let me hand you a torch for the cave you came out of Troll.

[Apex Sammoth]

evermandibles wrote...

While there are easy fixes for a lot of issues, it isn't an acceptable business practice to expect the consumer to hunt down a solution for problems he/she encounters with the software - especially if the issue(s) is pervasive..

What is an easy work around for one can be difficult to fathom for another, and, thus, isn't a legitimate or a moral way for problems with software to be handled..

That being said, ehhh.... its a pc game. PC software in any venue is notorious for being buggy.

It's like choosing to be friends with Cosmo Kramer or George Castanza.. and expecting them to not be neurotic.

True but, where do we draw the line as consumers.? DO we allow small bugs? Yes... witch we all do. Or do we allow games to frequent bugs to the point where the game is unplayable ? The Real question is how long do we put up with type buisness practice ? We don't allow it to happen to our Cars, Homes and other things we purchac ? No then why is ok for Sofware/ Games. I guess the question I might ask is when does it stop ? These are all Rhetorical questions.

[phordicus]

Rayne Myria Solo wrote...

2) I'm well aware of some of the problems the PC version has, such as the memory leak increasing load times, that's worse with some PCs versus others, weaker machines will be affected faster. With me it takes 3-6 hours to get unplayable (about 2ish to be annoying enogh load-time wise I reboot it, and it's fine afterward). After 3-6 hours, it's a good hint I need to stop anyway They're aware, and are working on it, They've stated that patch development is out about 1-2 versions from where we are.

link?

Modifié par phordicus, 07 janvier 2010 - 07:47 .

[evermandibles]

Apex Sammoth wrote...

evermandibles wrote...

While there are easy fixes for a lot of issues, it isn't an acceptable business practice to expect the consumer to hunt down a solution for problems he/she encounters with the software - especially if the issue(s) is pervasive..

What is an easy work around for one can be difficult to fathom for another, and, thus, isn't a legitimate or a moral way for problems with software to be handled..

That being said, ehhh.... its a pc game. PC software in any venue is notorious for being buggy.

It's like choosing to be friends with Cosmo Kramer or George Castanza.. and expecting them to not be neurotic.

True but, where do we draw the line as consumers.? DO we allow small bugs? Yes... witch we all do. Or do we allow games to frequent bugs to the point where the game is unplayable ? The Real question is how long do we put up with type buisness practice ? We don't allow it to happen to our Cars, Homes and other things we purchac ? No then why is ok for Sofware/ Games. I guess the question I might ask is when does it stop ? These are all Rhetorical questions.

Yeah, I feel your pain on all of this. The problem with these comparisons is that a house, after its been constructed, typically has nothing wrong with it unless its NOT up to code (... LOL) Rigorous standards are applied because the nature of building a house is in no way as complex as creating code meaning you can actually achieve exactly what you want when construction is complete. (We've been building houses for 3-4k years at least.. I think we've got it down by now.)

The skill/trade of computer code is an infant by comparison and you're basically demanding the construction of a modern day house circa 2010 but you want it built 100 BC.

I mean, if Bioware wanted to make Pac Man, the original from the 80's, I'm pretty sure it would be totally bug free and run even better than the original.

Modifié par evermandibles, 07 janvier 2010 - 08:03 .

[Apex Sammoth]

evermandibles wrote...

Apex Sammoth wrote...

evermandibles wrote...

While there are easy fixes for a lot of issues, it isn't an acceptable business practice to expect the consumer to hunt down a solution for problems he/she encounters with the software - especially if the issue(s) is pervasive..

What is an easy work around for one can be difficult to fathom for another, and, thus, isn't a legitimate or a moral way for problems with software to be handled..

That being said, ehhh.... its a pc game. PC software in any venue is notorious for being buggy.

It's like choosing to be friends with Cosmo Kramer or George Castanza.. and expecting them to not be neurotic.

True but, where do we draw the line as consumers.? DO we allow small bugs? Yes... witch we all do. Or do we allow games to frequent bugs to the point where the game is unplayable ? The Real question is how long do we put up with type buisness practice ? We don't allow it to happen to our Cars, Homes and other things we purchac ? No then why is ok for Sofware/ Games. I guess the question I might ask is when does it stop ? These are all Rhetorical questions.

Yeah, I feel your pain on all of this. The problem with these comparisons is that a house, after its been constructed, typically has nothing wrong with it unless its NOT up to code (... LOL) Rigorous standards are applied because the nature of building a house is in no way as complex as creating code meaning you can actually achieve exactly what you want when construction is complete. (We've been building houses for 3-4k years at least.. I think we've got it down by now.)

The skill/trade of computer code is an infant by comparison and you're basically demanding the construction of a modern day house circa 2010 but you want it built 100 BC.

I mean, if Bioware wanted to make Pac Man, the original from the 80's, I'm pretty sure it would be totally bug free and run even better than the original.

Ironic seeming we keep pushing technology yet we haven't even mastered / utlize what we already have lol. I still think there should be a fine line between small bugs and Major bugs. Well, I guess this is on Bioware / EA because as of right now they have lost my dime untill this matter is Addressed or Fixed.

[Dasos]

Laktheos wrote...

 I suggest filing reports to EA/Bioware about our problems. It might make them aware of exactly is hindering our game play.

Link please?
I can't find my way around either of their websites, very confusing lol.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Actually the thing I said about them being a whole company is just that. I don't really care what there excuse is I just want DOA to work since I paid for it. Being a whole company has a lot to say about what they are doing and are NOT doing. Also can ruin there reputation if done badly. Sad thing is they have always had a good track record. Every company has a division and if they have several for DAO then why not say "Hey we have some serious problems with DAO let's fix it as a TEAM" instead they have them apart which is not productive balance but, hey as long as they keep getting feed money for broken products they will be doing it that way until someone says "Hold Up your game is broke". I for one have already stated they will not see a DIME of my money until DAO is fixed. NO DLC, NO ME2, NO SWTOR, NO Nothing made by them again until this is resolved. I never said that it’s not understandable on how it is done but, the way I look at it. If you have the time to make and Expansion you should have the time to fix the Broken Product. This being said below is a quote from GM on today’s Tech. Some software companies should take this into consideration when developing games because one day people won't put up with it. Plus it’s funny.





In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release

stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we

would all be driving cars with the following characteristics (and I just

love this part):



1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.



2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a

new car.



3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would

have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the

windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you

could continue. For some reason you would simply accept

this.



4. Occasionally, executing a manoeuvre such as a left turn would cause your

car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case

you would have to reinstall the engine.



5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable,

five times as fast and twice as easy to drive -- but would

run on only five percent of the roads.



6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be

replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal

Operation" warning light.



7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.



8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and

refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the

door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

"CTRL/ALT/Delete"



9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how

to

drive all over again because none of the controls

would operate in the same manner as the old car.



10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.





__________________________________________________________________________________



When in actuality it's the Fords who run WINDOZE and they can friggin' have it!! Although they spelled it wrong, instead of "sync" it should have read "SINK!"

[Crispy8181]

Hey Apex,



Alright, buddy. You win.



I'm ready to help you now. I'm prepared to give you my credit card number in order to purchase you a brand-new PC of your choice. Then you can reinstall DA on it and play it.



Or, I am ready to purchase plane tickets to come to your house and fix your current PC for you, if you'd like. I am a computer professional and a lifetime gamer, so I'm confident I could get the game running well for you.



Or, I am ready to hire an assassin to take out all of EA and/or BioWare's staff on your behalf. Maybe this is what you really desire? It's hard for me to tell.



Or, I could pay for a psychologist for you. That seems like the most likely solution to your problems. I'm pretty sure they're all mental.



Hell, how about just some free advice. Some say it's the most valuable of commodities, after all. Here it is: GIVE UP PC GAMING -- YOU'RE CLEARLY NOT CUT OUT FOR IT.

[Apex Sammoth]

Crispy8181 wrote...

Hey Apex,

Alright, buddy. You win.

I'm ready to help you now. I'm prepared to give you my credit card number in order to purchase you a brand-new PC of your choice. Then you can reinstall DA on it and play it.

Or, I am ready to purchase plane tickets to come to your house and fix your current PC for you, if you'd like. I am a computer professional and a lifetime gamer, so I'm confident I could get the game running well for you.

Or, I am ready to hire an assassin to take out all of EA and/or BioWare's staff on your behalf. Maybe this is what you really desire? It's hard for me to tell.

Or, I could pay for a psychologist for you. That seems like the most likely solution to your problems. I'm pretty sure they're all mental.

Hell, how about just some free advice. Some say it's the most valuable of commodities, after all. Here it is: GIVE UP PC GAMING -- YOU'RE CLEARLY NOT CUT OUT FOR IT.

I really don't care what you have to say really. If you don't like what I have to say then move on it's simple. It is my opinion not yours. I am allowed to voice it like yours but, you feel you need to make yourself feel better by bellitting others . Whatever makes your feel better I guess huh ? Low Self Esteem can hinder your life.

Troll Much = Blocked Have A Nice Day

Modifié par Apex Sammoth, 08 janvier 2010 - 04:43 .

[Mightyg]

Well I certainly won't be buying any dlc or expansions till I can play the game without having to restart every 30 mins, THAT'S FOR SURE. And kudos to Apex for not putting up with people's ****. Bioware has given us plenty of reasons to **** this time around. I love how people come into this forum to put down others who are having problems and talk about how amazing they with their PC skills, yet they haven't managed to actually solve these issues for people. Stop patronizing and figure out a fix.

[GPA_Nemesis]

Take ten minutes to scan the forums, and you'll see it's not just the 'ignorant' or those with 'weak PC's that are having issues. Saying that this game is (mostly) fine, the problem is with ALL you people is not only arrogant, it's wrong.  DA:O has issues with dual-core processors. It has a memory leak. It had issues with ATI cards (though the 9.12s seem to help). Beyond that, it seems random.  Little bugs are little bugs, and those are almost understandable in a game of this scale. Memory leaks, crashes, and the corruption or loss of DLC is not.  I have no problem with an expansion. As stated, different programmers. It would be a logistical nightmare to drag a development team and try and integrate them with the existing patch team.  I think the biggest issue people here have, is that Bioware has not even said one word about any of this, even though I've seen them post on other topics here.  At least it isn't Red Faction, Guerrilla.

To the elitists... you got a fancy comp. Gratz. It's not the PC. Some people here are running rigs better then yours.  Before you're so quick to boast or troll, take 10-15 mins to look at other posts here. At least then you won't make a fool out of yourself with declarations borne from ignorance.

Then again, if ignorance is bliss, I suppose you might want to stay happy.
-Nem

Modifié par GPA_Nemesis, 08 janvier 2010 - 06:10 .

[Costin_Razvan]

There are a great deal of bugs and issues, but I would rather point my finger at EA rather then Bioware. EA is the one looking after the support, and we all know how much they care ( almost to none ).

Still having the two patches that we had released in almost two months is something reasonable. Having a game with so many issues released in the first, well that is not.

P.S. THE LOADING TIMES ARE CAUSED BY .NET FRAMEWORK remove that program and your load times will vastly improve ( they did for me ).

How many different configurations(PC,or CON-sole) do you have where you play this game?
could all the software engineering firms have all possible configurations at their fingertips? thought not!

I will say it simply: IT IS NOT A HARDWARE issue. The vast majority of people here that have problems with the game, have over the Minimum Specs, many also have configurations with better hardware then the recommended settings.

I don't know from what world you come from, but where I am from, people with PCs that are between Minimum and Recommended configs ( like me ) expect they can run the game well at lowered Graphics Settings.

Heck I am able to run Dawn of War II, Empire Total War, Modern Warfare II and others that I don't have the processor or ram at recommended quite well enough, even at highest settings with some lag spikes here and there.

But in Dragon Age? It took me agreat deal of hours to understand how to make the game run smoothly in the end-game battle and Redcliff one. 

It takes you using over 5 hotfixes and using the game WITHOUT sound, at MINIMAL Graphics, on windowed mode at lowest rez to get the two battles I speak of run well. EVEN SO there are still lag issues of 1-2 seconds.

The issue is clearly from the script of the game, the fact that the saved games are bloated proves this, as does the fact the even running the game at minium won't change a thing on its own.

[Apex Sammoth]

I would like to thank the last 3 posters and others that have agreed with me on these issues. Like I said it is a bit of a "Rant" but, it needs to be said we are going on almost 2 months with no fix for these issues. If nothing is said then how do we know they will ever fix these issues. Yes, all PC games have issues and to Crispy Cream there I have been PC gamming prolly a lot longer then you think. The Reality is games have gotten worse over the years. Making / Pushing more for product sales rather then quality. There is absolutly no way any game should be released in this state. I know for a fact that all games have bugs and they go through a testing period on what is a passable bug and what is not. How this got though QC ? I will never know. The sad thing is all bugs aside when it is working the game is Awesome. One of the reasons I am still here Ranting about it. I do enjoy it a lot but, wish they would fix it or not release the game in the state it is in.