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[DeinonSlayer]

SiriusXI wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

I support most of it, except Tali visible all time in case of peace between Geth and Quarians. That'd be kinda cheap imho, not mentioning that she explicitly says that she doesn't want geth uploaded in her suit.

Thanks

Does Tali really say that if you make peace? I don't recall that, but it's been a while since I have played ME3 (1 year to exact --> ending trauma). Well, I meant it as a sort of alternate appearence mod, which is optional. You could of course also just have her without her visor in the Normandy, and not during missions, which sould make a little more sense.

No geth. She explicitly says it to a romanced Shepard. "The only one getting in my suit is you."

[Alienmorph]

Exactly. Plus, think about it in a practical way: making her face visible all time would mean have to animate and lipsink her face in all the missions that can be played post-Rannoch, that'd be a quite hudge extra load of work for the modders. For an optional feature than not all of us would use.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 14 mars 2013 - 09:08 .

[Sil]

After Rannoch when you don't romance her she mentions how her race are being rapidly "cured" of their weak immune systems by the Geth, including her.

[AVPen]

Sil wrote...

After Rannoch when you don't romance her she mentions how her race are being rapidly "cured" of their weak immune systems by the Geth, including her.

The keywords being "didn't romance" - if she was never romanced by Shepard, there is no reason for her to show her face to Shepard or the crew (remember, sharing your face to another is considered an incredibly high trust and intimacy to a quarian). And if she was romanced, then she already told Shepard that "no one gets inside my suit, but you", so she wouldn't have any geth uploaded into her suit and improving her immune system.

Additionally, I was always under the assumption that the geth's improving of the quarians' immune systems was to better condition them to reliving on Rannoch without envirosuits and not the entire galaxy (and that it would still take a few years before the geth improvements would result in the quarians being able to live outside of their suits on Rannoch).

Modifié par AVPen, 14 mars 2013 - 09:17 .

[Alienmorph]

And even then she also says that at this point quarians will still most likely wear their suits as they've become part of their culture, so there's very little to no reasons to have her all of a sudden changing her way of life just because an immuno-boost. Off course if enough people want thta feature so bad all I would say is "go ahead, I'll just won't use". It's no big concern for me but I think the modders should focus otherwise, making her "face time" limited but meaningful.

[TheWerdna]

Sil wrote...

After Rannoch when you don't romance her she mentions how her race are being rapidly "cured" of their weak immune systems by the Geth, including her.

She says that it will still takes years, but the geth are basically cutting the adapting time  to a fraction of the decade or so it would otherwise take...

Too bad the geth blew up in my ending. I am sorry Tali, but look at it this way, Shepard lives this way and gets to live happily ever after with you.

[SiriusXI]

TheWerdna wrote...

Sil wrote...

After Rannoch when you don't romance her she mentions how her race are being rapidly "cured" of their weak immune systems by the Geth, including her.

She says that it will still takes years, but the geth are basically cutting the adapting time  to a fraction of the decade or so it would otherwise take...

Too bad the geth blew up in my ending. I am sorry Tali, but look at it this way, Shepard lives this way and gets to live happily ever after with you.

If you use MEHEM Shepard AND the Geth live . Anyway. I'd like to use an unmasked Tali during gameplay as an option. Besides, all the effort that the modders put into designing her face is worth more if we get to see it not just during one short scene.

[d1ta]

Btw just asking here, is this mod already available for public download?
I don't romance Tali (play as femshep) but I consider her as a best friend (kinda gives me that 'imoen'/little sister vibe when talking to her, idk.. =p) will I also see her face when she takes her mask off in Ranoch?
I'm not looking for her to take her mask off all the time, just during Rannoch on that particular moment.

[SlipperyHammer]

d1ta wrote...

Btw just asking here, is this mod already available for public download?
I don't romance Tali (play as femshep) but I consider her as a best friend (kinda gives me that 'imoen'/little sister vibe when talking to her, idk.. =p) will I also see her face when she takes her mask off in Ranoch?
I'm not looking for her to take her mask off all the time, just during Rannoch on that particular moment.

The mod is not available for the moment. But yes, you will be able to see her face at that stage, even if you have not romanced her .

Just to clarify for everyone here: The Tali 3d model is finished. If you want to use it in 3ds max, you can download the model and the textures if you go back 1-2 pages in this thread.

The problem is importing the model to the game. So far the game keeps crashing when you look at Tali (even if there's walls between her and the player).

There's still some very time consuming work to be done. But don't worry, I still have 1-2 more tricks to try out .

Cya all later ! 

[d1ta]

Thx for the reply SlipperyHammer =) I'm trully looking forward for this to happen. Even if it'll only be a couple of seconds, I know it will mean a lot to my Shep seeing her face right then and there in Rannoch.
Good luck on your project, good Sir =)

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Thanks for all your hard work Slippery. Sorry things are being so buggy with the import.

[AVPen]

Still working on an unhooded Tali with her hair out, along with an unsuited Tali for a possible romance scene with Shepard (no promises yet, though). Been looking over her in-game photo that BW made using FLycam to get in close to it and noticed a few additional things:

1. I still don't think that her skin is purple - it still looks like to me that the artists were trying to mimic real-world shadow colors in the pic (since there wasn't much in the original photo that they based it on), but they messed it up royally. Combined with the pic of the quarian from the EC that they made later (which shows a grey-ish skin tone), I've decided to stick with grey for her skin color.

2. The markings on her forehead are the color black, yet the markings on her neck are definitely purple... are they different kind of markings than the ones on her face? Did the artist just f***-up the color on her neck markings? Who the hell knows....

3. Her irises are definitely gold in color.

4. Will need to remodel her ears or ear analog, since SlipperyHammer used human ears on his model (although you can only see the bottom of her ears in the BW pic, they do have a different style of anatomy than human ears).

5. Surprisingly, BW actually bothered enough to redo Tali's nose in comparision to the original real-life model (they made Tali's much smaller  and more delicately defined, almost a button nose, than the model's original nose)

6. Still working on getting her hair right... trying to use Miranda's hair as a base, but running into a few issues with differeniating it enough from Miranda's hairstyle. 

Modifié par AVPen, 24 mars 2013 - 03:01 .

[SiriusXI]

AVPen wrote...

Still working on an unhooded Tali with her hair out, along with an unsuited Tali for a possible romance scene with Shepard (no promises yet, though). Been looking over her in-game photo that BW made using FLycam to get in close to it and noticed a few additional things:

1. I still don't think that her skin is purple - it still looks like to me that the artists were trying to mimic real-world shadow colors in the pic (since there wasn't much in the original photo that they based it on), but they messed it up royally. Combined with the pic of the quarian from the EC that they made later (which shows a grey-ish skin tone), I've decided to stick with grey for her skin color.

2. The markings on her forehead are the color black, yet the markings on her neck are definitely purple... are they different kind of markings than the ones on her face? Did the artist just f***-up the color on her neck markings? Who the hell knows....

3. Her irises are definitely gold in color.

4. Will need to remodel her ears or ear analog, since SlipperyHammer used human ears on his model (although you can only see the bottom of her ears in the BW pic, they do have a different style of anatomy than human ears).

5. Surprisingly, BW actually bothered enough to redo Tali's nose in comparision to the original real-life model (they made Tali's much smaller  and more delicately defined, almost a button nose, than the model's original nose)

6. Still working on getting her hair right... trying to use Miranda's hair as a base, but running into a few issues with differeniating it enough from Miranda's hairstyle. 

Good to see you are working on it. Keep it up!

[Cribbian]

AVPen wrote...

Still working on an unhooded Tali with her hair out, along with an unsuited Tali for a possible romance scene with Shepard (no promises yet, though). Been looking over her in-game photo that BW made using FLycam to get in close to it and noticed a few additional things:

1. I still don't think that her skin is purple - it still looks like to me that the artists were trying to mimic real-world shadow colors in the pic (since there wasn't much in the original photo that they based it on), but they messed it up royally. Combined with the pic of the quarian from the EC that they made later (which shows a grey-ish skin tone), I've decided to stick with grey for her skin color.

2. The markings on her forehead are the color black, yet the markings on her neck are definitely purple... are they different kind of markings than the ones on her face? Did the artist just f***-up the color on her neck markings? Who the hell knows....

3. Her irises are definitely gold in color.

4. Will need to remodel her ears or ear analog, since SlipperyHammer used human ears on his model (although you can only see the bottom of her ears in the BW pic, they do have a different style of anatomy than human ears).

5. Surprisingly, BW actually bothered enough to redo Tali's nose in comparision to the original real-life model (they made Tali's much smaller  and more delicately defined, almost a button nose, than the model's original nose)

6. Still working on getting her hair right... trying to use Miranda's hair as a base, but running into a few issues with differeniating it enough from Miranda's hairstyle. 

Thank you for putting so much effort into our favourite character

[vonfantasy]

AVPen wrote...

Still working on an unhooded Tali with her hair out, along with an unsuited Tali for a possible romance scene with Shepard (no promises yet, though). Been looking over her in-game photo that BW made using FLycam to get in close to it and noticed a few additional things:

1. I still don't think that her skin is purple - it still looks like to me that the artists were trying to mimic real-world shadow colors in the pic (since there wasn't much in the original photo that they based it on), but they messed it up royally. Combined with the pic of the quarian from the EC that they made later (which shows a grey-ish skin tone), I've decided to stick with grey for her skin color.

2. The markings on her forehead are the color black, yet the markings on her neck are definitely purple... are they different kind of markings than the ones on her face? Did the artist just f***-up the color on her neck markings? Who the hell knows....

3. Her irises are definitely gold in color.

4. Will need to remodel her ears or ear analog, since SlipperyHammer used human ears on his model (although you can only see the bottom of her ears in the BW pic, they do have a different style of anatomy than human ears).

5. Surprisingly, BW actually bothered enough to redo Tali's nose in comparision to the original real-life model (they made Tali's much smaller  and more delicately defined, almost a button nose, than the model's original nose)

6. Still working on getting her hair right... trying to use Miranda's hair as a base, but running into a few issues with differeniating it enough from Miranda's hairstyle. 

This sounds... absolutley... wonderful!

[AVPen]

Still a long way's off, but I wanted to show a little bit of my progress:



Still using Miranda's hair as a basis for Tali's hair - of all the female hairstyles, her's is the closest to what was shown in the BioWare photo, but I'm still working on making enough differences in the hair so it's not a total replica of Miranda's. As you can see, the markings on her forehead don't reach far enough into her hairline (like they do in the original photo), so I'll have to work on that in PS along with lowering her scalp's hairline as well.

I did make some adjustments to Tali's nose as well, shrinking it in a bit  (also based on Tali's original photo, since she had a smaller button nose, as I mentioned in a previous post).

Haven't taken this model into 3DS Max yet (I prefer to model in Lightwave) since it's not finished, but I did do some test renders in 3DS Max of her updated skin and eye textures using SlipperyHammer's original copy:

Modifié par AVPen, 26 mars 2013 - 11:48 .

[Edolix]

Wow, very well done AVpen! She looks great, though I think she's a bit too pale - maybe a slightly darker shade of grey would work better?

I know it's early stages and there's a long way to go, so forgive me if this criticism is a bit premature.

[New Display Name]

@AVPen: You said you used flycam to get a look at the photo of Tali. You could extract the texture instead.

[Alienmorph]

Whoa, she looks great already, Miranda's hairs were a good start to make hers, nice work!

[Cribbian]

[SiriusXI]

I really can see so much love for that character in this thread. Keep it up! You can do what Bioware couldn't.

As for the preview:
I like her face =). It is well done and I think it fits the character. Maybe not oerfectly, but that's Bioware's fault for choosing the image they chose. I just cannot see that model having Tali's voice. This 3d rendered version here is obviously based on the image Bioware chose. Since you have to work with these restriction, I'd say: Great Job!

I have to agree with the statement above that she seems a bit too pale. Maybe the skin tone can be adjusted a little.


Anyway, thans for this project. Can't wait to see it in game =)

[Unschuld]

SiriusXI wrote...

I really can see so much love for that character in this thread. Keep it up! You can do what Bioware couldn't. decided they couldn't be bothered with/were too lazy to devote any measurable amount of time to the character or fix the mess they made.

Fixed for accuracy.


I'm sorry, but with the amount of "make up exams" Bioware has had coupled with the time spent to model a completely unpopular, inconsequential, one-sided forgettable character, I refuse to have any more sympathy/benefit of the doubt for them. At least there are some fans devoted enough to rectify the problem.... that problem being the silly picture, to which some have created more favorable alternatives that actually have effort put into them.

I consider this sort of 3d face mod to be above and beyond...

[SiriusXI]

Unschuld wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

I really can see so much love for that character in this thread. Keep it up! You can do what Bioware couldn't. decided they couldn't be bothered with/were too lazy to devote any measurable amount of time to the character or fix the mess they made.

Fixed for accuracy.


I'm sorry, but with the amount of "make up exams" Bioware has had coupled with the time spent to model a completely unpopular, inconsequential, one-sided forgettable character, I refuse to have any more sympathy/benefit of the doubt for them. At least there are some fans devoted enough to rectify the problem.... that problem being the silly picture, to which some have created more favorable alternatives that actually have effort put into them.

I consider this sort of 3d face mod to be above and beyond...

Thx for the fix!

And agreed!

[vonfantasy]

AVPen wrote...

Still a long way's off, but I wanted to show a little bit of my progress:

Omg... she... looks... great already!

[SlipperyHammer]

AVPen wrote...

Still a long way's off, but I wanted to show a little bit of my progress:

Awesome job there AVPen , Hopefully you won't have to much problems using Miranda’s hair (Allers turned out to be... Problematic ...)

I will share some of my "progress" when it comes to importing skeletal meshes (i.e. Tali) with you all shortly (don't get your hopes up). But before I do, I will just double check that I have not messed something up.

Cya all as soon as I have some more news .