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[Adomas]

Thanks for the appreciation, unfortunately this is only a photoshop I have no 3d skills..
It is up to AVPen and/or SlipperyHammer to do the 3D work if they find it worth their time..

[Bfler]

In my opinion, the second option looks better, for the simple reason that you can see her hair, in contrast to AVPen's version. Add such an hair to AVPen's version and there would be no difference.

Modifié par Bfler, 27 avril 2013 - 06:27 .

[zombieord]

I think the version without hair looks better. Either way major kudos to you guys for working on a mod like this. It will always bother me the way Bioware handled the 'reveal'. That stupid picture just doesn't make any sense and there's a perfect opportunity to do it right.

[Adomas]

Made a photoshop variant without hair:

[Alienmorph]

Head now looks waaay too small though. I know that she's supposed to have a smaller head than an human, or otherwise her helmet wouldn't fit, but that's too much imho...

[eltan2481]

Adomas, I agree with Alienmorph. If you look at the hood, there is a gap between the crest of her head and the curvature of the cloth; the hood itself should flow uniformly as otherwise its bulk looks missplaced. AVPen's newer image rescales her head the appropriate size. However, your image softens up Tali's face a lot giving her a more youthful appearance. I think that part is necessary, and the remodelling of her chin/jaw, as you did, gives her that cute factor which is more in-line with her character.
You guys are all doing exceptional work, I can't wait to see the final edits!

[AVPen]

Been busy, but I'm back and trying to tweak/improve some of the animation on SlipperyHammer's "Rannoch scene" (namely to give Tali a little more emotion in her face/mouth).

[AVPen]

And an updated comp test, using a frame from the updated animation:



It's getting pretty close to where I want it - I thought the color correction on the last comp was rather overboard, so I toned it down a bit, trying to add color tones from the light/enviroment to the skin without destorying her grey skin tone.

Modifié par AVPen, 01 mai 2013 - 02:10 .

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

looks much better, but still looks a little too pale. I don't recall the picture being THAT pale...
I know the EC cut picture was pretty pale, but I also don't recall anyone being to crazy about that one either..
People liked the one on the desk, they just hated how LAZY bioware was about it.

But the size of the head looks great now, just needs a bit more color.
That is just my opinion. I like the pinker skin much more. She is really cute now though!

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

Also, you weren't by any chance going to make a model with...*ehem* less clothing were you? (like miranda in the ME2 love scene?
I just think it is a shame that Garrus and Tali were really the only ones that didn't get a proper sex scene...

[AVPen]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

looks much better, but still looks a little too pale. I don't recall the picture being THAT pale...
I know the EC cut picture was pretty pale, but I also don't recall anyone being to crazy about that one either..

Honestly for me, it's not about what people are "crazy for" - it's to best represent Tali in a 3D model based on her appearance in the photoshop'd pic and on the unmasked quarians from the EC slide. Ultimately, I think that the sad truth is no matter what I or SlipperyHammer do, no one is going to be 100% satisfied with our 3D renditions of Tali unmasked (as I found out earlier via PM...) because everyone's has had their own idea of what Tali and the quarians look like for the last 5-6 years.

I'm using both the BW'shoped photo and the EC slide pic as my guidelines as to what quarian physiology is like and, because the EC slide was created later than the (frankly crappy) Tali photo, I'm using that as my final reference for Tali's skin tone (since it is technically both a 3D representation of unmasked quarians and is BioWare's final say on the quarian's physical appearance).

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Also, you weren't by any chance going to make a model with...*ehem* less clothing were you? (like miranda in the ME2 love scene?
I just think it is a shame that Garrus and Tali were really the only ones that didn't get a proper sex scene...

I ran into some issues and problems with creating a nude quarian body (which writing that out makes it sound rather perverted, lol  ), so I'm looking into an alternative where Tali has areas of her suit "opened up" instead - so, yes, it would kinda be like the Miranda scene in ME2.

I'd still use the animations from the FemShep/Kaidan romance scene in ME3, since I think it's a well-done scene and the FemShep animations also works well for Tali's personality (based on what we saw in ME2, lol). However, I think I'd change it so that Shepard doesn't have a shirt-uniform top on, but still has his pants during the scene.

After all, it would look outta place if Shepard was in his boxers while Tali still has most of her suit on.... I'm probably giving this scene more thought than it needs, perhaps. 

Modifié par AVPen, 02 mai 2013 - 03:04 .

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

AVPen wrote...

Ultimately, I think that the sad truth is no matter what I or SlipperyHammer do, no one is going to be satisfied with our 3D renditions of Tali unmasked (as I found out earlier via PM...) because everyone's has had their own idea of what Tali and the quarians look like for the last 5-6 years. 

Good point. Don't get me wrong, I 90% support your work, and love it to death, just wish she had a bit more color. But I totally respect your position on it and think you should continue doing what YOU planned.

I ran into some issues and problems with creating a nude quarian body (which writing that out makes it sound rather perverted, lol  ), so I'm looking into an alternative where Tali has areas of her suit "opened up" instead - so, yes, it would kinda be like the Miranda scene in ME2.

I'd still use the animations from the FemShep/Kaidan romance scene in ME3, since I think it's a well-done scene and the FemShep animations also works well for Tali's personality (based on what we saw in ME2, lol). However, I think I'd change it so that Shepard doesn't have a shirt-uniform top on, but still has his pants during the scene.

After all, it would look outta place if Shepard was in his boxers while Tali still has most of her suit on.... I'm probably giving this scene more thought than it needs, perhaps. 

...Wha...what? Seriously? (about the opened up suit thing). That would be SUPER SUPER hot...
And yes, it does feel weird writing this out, but I know it would be a dream come true for tali fans...
And no, I don't think you are thinking too much into it. The fact that you did think of it shows that you are dedicated to giving this character the VISUAL presence and reveal in the game that she deserved to have to begin with.

Any idea when these will be out? Because DAMN, now I really want them. Especially the romance one...
Do you even have a start on that one? if so, POST! (please). 

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

Also, I just thought of this, but do you know how to use UDK? Is that how you are making the scenes for the game? If so, do you know how to import mass effect levels into it?
My friend and I have a GREAT mass effect machinima script going, but need to figure out how to get environments. I have searched everywhere online and cannot find crap. :/

[WarrantyVoider]

Hey Slippery or AVPen, do you have a current PSK for me with only one material, so I can test a few things out?
greetz WV

[WarrantyVoider]

nvm, I made one myself...

vid of it
greetz WV

[AVPen]

WarrantyVoider wrote...

Hey Slippery or AVPen, do you have a current PSK for me with only one material, so I can test a few things out?
greetz WV

That's more SlipperyHammer's department, I believe - he was the one working to get his Tali model into the game itself (where I'm currently looking to just animate it directly in 3DS Max).

(Also, isn't that just the game's Tali model but with her visor removed in your test vid?)

[WarrantyVoider]

yup, thats right, its also hand edited, but I needed to test alot functions involved in importing. I also tested double amount of vertices (smooth) with milkshape and SlipperyHammer already succeded in adding a simple cube to garrus head mesh... this was just a proof that it is doable to get tali unhooded ingame, nothing more^^ its just that only today I had enough time to look into it
greetz WV

[Beerfish]

WarrantyVoider wrote...

nvm, I made one myself...

vid of it
greetz WV

Very nice, the vid looks good.

[Sil]

This probably has been discussed already, but will that model of Tali be getting hair AVPen? It's a wonderful looking model, but frankly bald women terrify me and I view Tali with that big mess of hair she has on her official photo ingame.

If this has been discussed before then I apologise

[Celtic man51]

Great work! While I don't see her face as being grey (I think its just the lighting of the picture) I'm really impressed with the amount of love and effort put into this project!
Talimancer forever!

[Chashan]

Sil wrote...

This probably has been discussed already, but will that model of Tali be getting hair AVPen? It's a wonderful looking model, but frankly bald women terrify me and I view Tali with that big mess of hair she has on her official photo ingame.

If this has been discussed before then I apologise

I'll refer you to SlipperyHammer's response to my asking the exact opposite...

http://social.biowar...810/13#16566163

That she is shown bald here is a technicality, as making a full-fledged head-mesh is the first step to properly implementing her face in-game. Hair-mesh comes after.
Can't say I'd mind her bald, though, somewhat more 'non-human' in an original sense.

Modifié par Chashan, 04 mai 2013 - 10:42 .

[AVPen]

Sil wrote...

This probably has been discussed already, but will that model of Tali be getting hair AVPen? It's a wonderful looking model, but frankly bald women terrify me and I view Tali with that big mess of hair she has on her official photo ingame.

If this has been discussed before then I apologise

If you're talking about this specific scene that I'm animating/compositing right now:


Then no, she doesn't show any hair here - she removed her visor, not her helmet, so her hair is still in place underneath her helmet and with the camera's angle, you can't see the sides of her head anyway.
As a side note, I always thought that Tairis Deamhan gave the best explaination for how Tali's hair was held in place in his "Razor's Edge" fanfic, explaining that her hair is pulled back and kept perfectly in place inside her helmet through a vacuum system.

However, the updated portrait that she gives Shepard will show her with her hair out and the "unbuckled-suit" model (for the love scene that I'm planning on at some point) will have her hair out as well.

Chashan wrote...
I'll refer you to AVPen's response to my asking the exact opposite...

http://social.biowar...810/13#16566163

That she is shown bald here is a technicality, as making a full-fledged head-mesh is the first step to properly implementing her face in-game. Hair-mesh comes after.
Can't say I'd mind her bald, though, somewhat more 'non-human' in an original sense.

As I said in that post, too, I do think the final version of the hooded-unmasked Tali model should still have the sides of her helmet present on the model - I think SlipperyHammer said he was gonna tweak the model at some point, but right now he's focused on getting the model into the game itself.

Modifié par AVPen, 05 mai 2013 - 02:31 .

[zombieord]

AVPen wrote...

And an updated comp test, using a frame from the updated animation:



It's getting pretty close to where I want it - I thought the color correction on the last comp was rather overboard, so I toned it down a bit, trying to add color tones from the light/enviroment to the skin without destorying her grey skin tone.

I just want to say great work so far and I can't wait to see the finished product. I understand you or someone else is working on a fixed photo for Shep's cabin as well?

Keep up the great work. Whatever you decide to go with be proud. You have the courage to do what Bioware could not. Sure everyone has an idea of how Tali should look but I think we can all agree Bioware dropped the ball and we now have to rely on fans like you to do the work for them. For that, I am eternally grateful.

Modifié par zombieord, 05 mai 2013 - 09:58 .

[Redbelle]

Question.

I'm sure BW had a model of the face that was unrendered beneath the mask.

And this version is of Tali from the photo.

Would compmaring her two faces help in bringing elements of her appearence more in line with both her photo and in game appearence. I.e. the face that has been created has the eye's appear to be placed, spaced and slanted as an average humans would. But that blk file implies that her eye's are either, smaller, further spaced, pupils are smaller, her brow flows further into her nose. etc.

I'm just wondering if BW went off on a tangent creating the photo of Tali rather than incorporating element's of her existing design into a wire framed render. After all. That photo is a photoshop peice of work that uses a human as the base model. Not Tali's actual face, from what we can see through her mask, in the game.

Maybe it's time to go off script with the photo a bit and use what you have to bring elements of Tali's in game visage to bear.

On the other hand. Don't let the man keep you from doing what you do. That pic of Tali above is more than I had from a year ago and hit's the mark exactly where I'd have chosen to show Tali's face.

*edit* Youtubing LI's intro in Citadel DLC I noticed the soldier's all used gun's, biotic's used biotics, And Tali pretended to have a gun, holding nothing but thin air, and still killed two guy's to save Shepard. Dat Girl!
(Probably a asset failure to assign her a firearm while her Omni tool was active. But i like the idea she can simply point a finger and kill a man).

Modifié par Redbelle, 05 mai 2013 - 11:29 .

[SlipperyHammer]

Howdy everyone!

I'm back with a video! (Yeah, it took me ages, I know)

Here it is:
youtu.be/CLWuJRBPONY]


Now Before everyone goes all crazy, there has been some progress towards improvements since I last made this video. Here's an example:

Changed head mesh (So Garrus with a nice "hat"):

And of course more progress from WV (Gotta love the "stickman" ):
youtu.be/PEccuVU8Pqs


I think that about wraps it up from us all. Let me know if you want any more updates in the future (with or without me speaking over them ).

Cya all, and have an awesome day!

PS: Have a look at the following link, cya all this evening :
www.facebook.com/photo.php

Modifié par SlipperyHammer, 10 mai 2013 - 11:13 .