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[Seival]

...All assumptions about "ME3 ending being out of ME Trilogy concept" are invalid. ME Trilogy started with organic-vs-synthetic problem, and it ended with resolving (or postponing) organic-vs-synthetic problem. Moreover, all three parts of the story follow very similar pattern:

 - The Reapers were introduced. 5% of ME1 playthrough.
 - Truth about Saren's motives. 80% of ME1 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Conduit. Truth about the Citadel. Truth about the Keepers. Vigil discovery. 96% of ME1 playthrough.

 - Collectors were introduced. 5% of ME2 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Geth. Legion was introduced. 80% of ME2 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Reapers being half-organic creatures. 99% of ME2 playthrough.

 - Crucible schematics discovered. 5% of ME3 playthrough.
 - Conversation with the Destroyer. Truth about the Reapers' motives. 80% of ME3 playthrough.
 - Catalyst was introduced. The Cycled Harvests concept was explained. 99% of ME3 playthrough.


The whole story (including the ending) is consistent and logical. Nothing is out of place in it. The only thing that is out of place here is some people confusion about the game. ME3 hate was just overhyped by some very vocal haters. All assumptions about bad writing are invalid. The entire "dislike wave" is purely artificial and doesn't correspond to the real state of things...

...Someone intentionally tried to sabotage ME3 from outside? That's quite possible. Because most of "angry reviews" are look like made by hired people. Each based on flawed logic, using some game bugs, and reviewing phrases/actions out of game context.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

Modifié par Seival, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[Pantanplan]

Nice, the "vocal minority" argument, once ****ing again.

[Pantanplan]

Seival wrote...

...All assumptions about "ME3 ending being out of ME Trilogy concept" are invalid. ME Trilogy started with organic-vs-synthetic problem, and it ended with resolving (or postponing) organic-vs-synthetic problem. Moreover, all three parts of the story follow very similar pattern:

 - The Reapers were introduced. 5% of ME1 playthrough.
 - Truth about Saren's motives. 80% of ME1 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Conduit. Truth about the Citadel. Truth about the Keepers. Vigil discovery. 96% of ME1 playthrough.

 - Collectors were introduced. 5% of ME2 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Geth. Legion was introduced. 80% of ME2 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Reapers being half-organic creatures. 99% of ME2 playthrough.

 - Crucible schematics discovered. 5% of ME3 playthrough.
 - Conversation with the Destroyer. Truth about the Reapers' motives. 80% of ME3 playthrough.
 - Catalyst was introduced. The Cycled Harvests concept was explained. 99% of ME3 playthrough.


The whole story (including the ending) is consistent and logical. Nothing is out of place in it. The only thing that is out of place here is some people confusion about the game. ME3 hate was just overhyped by some very vocal haters. All assumption about bad writing are invalid. The entire "dislike wave" is purely artificial and doesn't correspond to the real state of things...

...Someone intentionally tried to sabotage ME3 from outside? That's quite possible. Because most of "angry reviews" are look like made by hired people. Each based on flawed logic, using some game bugs, and reviewing phrases/actions out of game context.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

Omg.

[Ticonderoga117]

Main conflict for 2.9 games: Reapers kill advanced civilizations. You need to fix it.
Conflict for the last .1 games: I'm going to tell you that there will always be issues between synthetic and organic life. Those Reapers you have been fighting are actually the good guys! They're keeping the "great cosmic" scales balanced. Now, even though I will completely ignore the fact that you have resolved the outstanding problem between organics and synthetics for the moment in this cycle, I'm asking you to fix a problem that I haven't shown you is actually a problem. Better be quick too, I have a schedule to keep.

So yes, the ending comes right out of left field for no reason at all.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[LucasShark]

- Reapers are not totally synthetic: introduced in ME2
- Geth not only not hostile but open to alliance and opposed to reapers: introduced ME2
- Synthesis is a compromise we cannot afford: introduced, climax of ME1 and ME2

[Edolix]

Saw a new Sevial thread, expected nonsense.

Was not disappointed.

[N7 Shadow 90]

Nice post! I agree that a lot of the complaining, about the ending, is completely uncalled for, and sometimes even completely untrue, in some cases.
P.S. There should be a link, in my sig, to a group that you may be interested in.

[The Night Mammoth]

You're making a lot of assertions, without actually backing any of them up.

But it's Seival, so we can automatically ignore anything said as bullsh*t. Nice to see that trend continues, especially the part about ME3 being 'sabotaged'. 

Are BioWare's boots clean yet? Do you have your signed t-shirt? 

For a long time in a long while now my spidey senses are tingling. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:01 .

[Ticonderoga117]

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Nice post! I agree that a lot of the complaining, about the ending, is completely uncalled for, and sometimes even completely untrue, in some cases.
P.S. There should be a link, in my sig, to a group that you may be interested in.

Ahem.

[Pantanplan]

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Nice post! I agree that a lot of the complaining, about the ending, is completely uncalled for, and sometimes even completely untrue, in some cases.
P.S. There should be a link, in my sig, to a group that you may be interested in.

You're right. All the negative criticisms and reactions to the ending and ME3 are part of a conspiracy to destroy Bioware's reputation, by people paid to hate on ME3. For ****'s sake, the depths you will go to to defend BW...

[andy6915]

This is nonsense, so I'll respond in kind.

[Applepie_Svk]

Pantanplan wrote...

Nice, the "vocal minority" argument, once ****ing again.

It´s his and Colin´s kind of joke to troll a fanbase and let to be butthurt unleashed once again all over BSN, Seival´s threads are most of the time either crap right since start or heading right to crapy end...

[Yaos]

I think someone need to make a jpeg of the calculations that establish that most people disliked the endings based on vocal reviews statistics and shove it whenever someone make a thread like this. It's getting kinda ridiculous.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

EC?

[Pantanplan]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Nice post! I agree that a lot of the complaining, about the ending, is completely uncalled for, and sometimes even completely untrue, in some cases.
P.S. There should be a link, in my sig, to a group that you may be interested in.

Ahem.

The guy who wrote this review was paid by some evil BW haters to hate on ME3's ending, because a vocal minority of fans wanted to see ME3 fail. Of course, it's the only thing that makes sense!

[Lookout1390]

My favorite part was when lesbians were showering in their underwear.

[Ticonderoga117]

Yaos wrote...

I think someone need to make a jpeg of the calculations that establish that most people disliked the endings based on vocal reviews statistics and shove it whenever someone make a thread like this. It's getting kinda ridiculous.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

EC?

Doubt that'll work. They will just say that it's not statistically valid for an internet survey to be touted as such, which I'm quite sure would be correct.

Plus, they're already delusional that the ending was "deep and emotional" even before the EC, so I doubt anything would help.

[MegaSovereign]

lol

[Ticonderoga117]

Pantanplan wrote...
The guy who wrote this review was paid by some evil BW haters to hate on ME3's ending, because a vocal minority of fans wanted to see ME3 fail. Of course, it's the only thing that makes sense!

Alright, I confess. I paid him to write that. I figured I had such a beef with BioWare and some free cash just chilling around I said "Why not?" I know, it's despicable of me.

[/sarcasm]

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:04 .

[crimzontearz]

Let's see.....because of the ending retailers started giving refunds INCLUDING origin

Oh yes, total vocal minority....but then again that is seival for you

[Pantanplan]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Pantanplan wrote...
The guy who wrote this review was paid by some evil BW haters to hate on ME3's ending, because a vocal minority of fans wanted to see ME3 fail. Of course, it's the only thing that makes sense!

Alright, I confess. I paid him to write that. I figured I had such a beef with BioWare and some free cash just chilling around I said "Why not?" I know, it's despicable of me.

[/sarcasm]

Here you go Seival, this evil man has nothing better to do than to torture the poor, hard-working writers at BW. Let's call EA and bust him and his shadowy, New World Order-esque BW hate group once and for all!

[Yaos]

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

I think someone need to make a jpeg of the calculations that establish that most people disliked the endings based on vocal reviews statistics and shove it whenever someone make a thread like this. It's getting kinda ridiculous.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

EC?

Doubt that'll work. They will just say that it's not statistically valid for an internet survey to be touted as such, which I'm quite sure would be correct.

Plus, they're already delusional that the ending was "deep and emotional" even before the EC, so I doubt anything would help.

Yes probably. Pro-enders seems to think that there is a vocal hater minority and that everyone else like the ending. Some people just don't like it but don't write/talk about it. They are just disappointed and go on their way. I only met two persons in my friends that liked the ending, everyone else don't care or were disappointed.

Modifié par Yaos, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:10 .

[Fixers0]

Bad writing is bad.

[N7 Shadow 90]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Nice post! I agree that a lot of the complaining, about the ending, is completely uncalled for, and sometimes even completely untrue, in some cases.
P.S. There should be a link, in my sig, to a group that you may be interested in.

Ahem.

My response.

[N7 Shadow 90]

Pantanplan wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Nice post! I agree that a lot of the complaining, about the ending, is completely uncalled for, and sometimes even completely untrue, in some cases.
P.S. There should be a link, in my sig, to a group that you may be interested in.

Ahem.

The guy who wrote this review was paid by some evil BW haters to hate on ME3's ending, because a vocal minority of fans wanted to see ME3 fail. Of course, it's the only thing that makes sense!

I never said that I agreed with that part. I just agreed with the OP, on the whole.