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[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...
...All assumptions about "ME3 ending being out of ME Trilogy concept" are invalid. ME Trilogy started with organic-vs-synthetic problem, and it ended with resolving (or postponing) organic-vs-synthetic problem. Moreover, all three parts of the story follow very similar pattern:

Yes it was out of place... 

Seival wrote...
- The Reapers were introduced. 5% of ME1 playthrough.

Whole ME1 was not just about finding truth behind a vanishing of Protheans and about indoctrination and ofc Reapers, since the ME1 is entry into franchise it´s logical that whole game will be also about introduction of lore.

Seival wrote...
- Crucible schematics discovered. 5% of ME3 playthrough.
- Conversation with the Destroyer. Truth about the Reapers' motives. 80% of ME3 playthrough.
- Catalyst was introduced. The Cycled Harvests concept was explained. 99% of ME3 playthrough.

Crucible was crap since very beginning not just because it was introduced in last instalment but also because it was obvious to Alliance as much to Cerberus that Reapers exist and yet we´ve need to retconed Mars to find a magical arfchives with all that knowlendge to destroy reapers with magical microphone or anal probe...

Seival wrote...
The whole story (including the ending) is consistent and logical. Nothing is out of place in it. The only thing that is out of place here is some people confusion about the game. ME3 hate was just overhyped by some very vocal haters. All assumptions about bad writing are invalid. The entire "dislike wave" is purely artificial and doesn't correspond to the real state of things...

When I am reading words like consistent and logical from your post...

Seival wrote...
...Someone intentionally tried to sabotage ME3 from outside? That's quite possible. Because most of "angry reviews" are look like made by hired people. Each based on flawed logic, using some game bugs, and reviewing phrases/actions out of game context.

Are you even serious ? IF someone´s sabotaged Mass Effect 3 than it was BioWare and creative directors like Hudson and Walters, especially Hudson which lied about ME3 for past year in front of realease even day in front of release ...

Seival wrote...
...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

Did you know that without IGN you can´t spell word ignorance ?

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:27 .

[Seival]

Yaos wrote...

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

I think someone need to make a jpeg of the calculations that establish that most people disliked the endings based on vocal reviews statistics and shove it whenever someone make a thread like this. It's getting kinda ridiculous.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

EC?

Doubt that'll work. They will just say that it's not statistically valid for an internet survey to be touted as such, which I'm quite sure would be correct.

Plus, they're already delusional that the ending was "deep and emotional" even before the EC, so I doubt anything would help.

Yes probably. Pro-enders seems to think that there is a vocal hater minority and that everyone else like the ending. Some people just don't like it but don't write/talk about it. They are just disappointed and go on their way. I only met two persons in my friends that liked the ending, everyone else don't care or were disappointed.

Most of my RL friends like the ending. 

A lot of people like the ending, but don't want to talk about it on BSN or any other forums. They are just not fans of social networks of any kind. Skype/ICQ is all they need to communicate via internet.

Give up. Most haters are just victims of overhyped ME3 hate propaganda.

[The Night Mammoth]

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Nice post! I agree that a lot of the complaining, about the ending, is completely uncalled for, and sometimes even completely untrue, in some cases.
P.S. There should be a link, in my sig, to a group that you may be interested in.

Ahem.

My response.

An unbiased literary reviewer versus.... Game Informer. 

Oh, what a contest. 

[N7 Shadow 90]

There's no proof that Game Informer were influenced financially.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Most of my RL friends like the ending.

I didn't know rocks could talk. 

A lot of people like the ending, but don't want to talk about it on BSN or any other forums. They are just not fans of social networks of any kind. Skype/ICQ is all they need to communicate via internet.

No sh*t? 

I'm guessing there might be people with a different opinion doing the same thing. 

Give up. Most haters are just victims of overhyped ME3 hate propaganda.

Prove it. 

[Lookout1390]

GI and IGN are legit sources for games, yo

[MegaSovereign]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

Nice post! I agree that a lot of the complaining, about the ending, is completely uncalled for, and sometimes even completely untrue, in some cases.
P.S. There should be a link, in my sig, to a group that you may be interested in.

Ahem.

My response.

An unbiased literary reviewer versus.... Game Informer. 

Oh, what a contest. 

Reviews in general are just glorified opinions. Don't see how one can be "unbiased."

[dreamgazer]

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...

There's no proof that Game Informer were influenced financially.

Question: what magazine automatically comes with every purchase of a GameStop discount / trade-in card?

[Yaos]

Seival wrote...

Yaos wrote...

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

I think someone need to make a jpeg of the calculations that establish that most people disliked the endings based on vocal reviews statistics and shove it whenever someone make a thread like this. It's getting kinda ridiculous.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

EC?

Doubt that'll work. They will just say that it's not statistically valid for an internet survey to be touted as such, which I'm quite sure would be correct.

Plus, they're already delusional that the ending was "deep and emotional" even before the EC, so I doubt anything would help.

Yes probably. Pro-enders seems to think that there is a vocal hater minority and that everyone else like the ending. Some people just don't like it but don't write/talk about it. They are just disappointed and go on their way. I only met two persons in my friends that liked the ending, everyone else don't care or were disappointed.

Most of my RL friends like the ending. 

A lot of people like the ending, but don't want to talk about it on BSN or any other forums. They are just not fans of social networks of any kind. Skype/ICQ is all they need to communicate via internet.

Give up. Most haters are just victims of overhyped ME3 hate propaganda.

I'm not gonna talk about the second part of your post because that's just plain trolling, but the first part : That's my point. Many people didnt like the ending but didnt voice it on the forums or any other place. Other people did like the ending and didn't voice it either.

If we consider the fact that many people will never voice their opinion of the game on the internet, we only got those who voice it. Yes, if we go that path, the ending objectively disappoints.

[Ticonderoga117]

N7 Shadow 90 wrote...
My response.

As bleak as this story is, it’s offset by
war sequences so large in scale and beautifully animated that you cannot
help but look upon them in awe. The Reapers are often bigger than a
city’s tallest skyscraper. As they approach they create terrifying
sounds with enough bass to make your subwoofer rattle. Space battles
consist of hundreds of vessels, gigantic volleys of laser fire, and
cinematic shots that owe a debt to both Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica.
Almost every shot in this game, whether it’s showing the finesse of a
ninja-like foe or a simple conversation between Shepard and a crewmate,
is beautifully framed.

Ok, so even before the ending bit we have some problems.
First up, space battles. Now sure, they're cool not going to lie there. But they just don't make sense. The Micheal Bay effect sorta.

Second, he says that Kai Leng was done well. What? Yeah no.

And they hardlt talk about the ending. "Oh I felt overwhelmed" is about as deep as a analysis as they go. Hardly a good counter in my opinion.

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...
Give up. Most haters are just victims of overhyped ME3 hate propaganda. BioWare completely falling asleep while writing the plot and lieing about "huge consequences".

Fixed that for yeah.

[The Night Mammoth]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Reviews in general are just glorified opinions. Don't see how one can be "unbiased."

Some people put more thought and time into how they express their opinions, play the entire game before they do, and come from a background of reviewing something on a far more professional and credible basis. 

I certainly don't buy the whole 'bribing by publishers' conspiracy, but gaming news sites have far too much advertising to make me feel comfortable about listening to anything they have to say, and that extends to pretty much all of them, not just IGN and the like. 

[umadcommander]

[Tomwew]

so i'm assuming the opposite of vocal minority is silent majority? but how do you know they're in the majority if they're silent? whatever 96% of statistics are made up on the spot after all.

[xsdob]

This thread is stupid.

[Lookout1390]

xsdob wrote...

This thread is stupid.

[dorktainian]

Seival wrote...

...All assumptions about "ME3 ending being out of ME Trilogy concept" are invalid. ME Trilogy started with organic-vs-synthetic problem, and it ended with resolving (or postponing) organic-vs-synthetic problem. Moreover, all three parts of the story follow very similar pattern:

 - The Reapers were introduced. 5% of ME1 playthrough.
 - Truth about Saren's motives. 80% of ME1 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Conduit. Truth about the Citadel. Truth about the Keepers. Vigil discovery. 96% of ME1 playthrough.

 - Collectors were introduced. 5% of ME2 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Geth. Legion was introduced. 80% of ME2 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Reapers being half-organic creatures. 99% of ME2 playthrough.

 - Crucible schematics discovered. 5% of ME3 playthrough.
 - Conversation with the Destroyer. Truth about the Reapers' motives. 80% of ME3 playthrough.
 - Catalyst was introduced. The Cycled Harvests concept was explained. 99% of ME3 playthrough.


The whole story (including the ending) is consistent and logical. Nothing is out of place in it. The only thing that is out of place here is some people confusion about the game. ME3 hate was just overhyped by some very vocal haters. All assumptions about bad writing are invalid. The entire "dislike wave" is purely artificial and doesn't correspond to the real state of things...

...Someone intentionally tried to sabotage ME3 from outside? That's quite possible. Because most of "angry reviews" are look like made by hired people. Each based on flawed logic, using some game bugs, and reviewing phrases/actions out of game context.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

   



you really need to do some research.  that is all.

[xsdob]

Let me put it another way, I'm someone many would probably consider a bio.drone and proender, and someone who likes the endings and plans to support ME more, and I think this thread is bat**** stupid.

Modifié par xsdob, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:36 .

[Tomwew]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Just want to point something out...

GameInformer gave RE5 a 9.5.

[estebanus]

HAHAHAHA! Oh god, this is almost as hilarious as your Normandy crash scene support thread!

You sound like a damn dictator! *There was no ending fiasco! Nothing ever happened!" Hmm... sounds very much like how the turkish government still says that they never committed genocide on armenians back in 1915-1916!

[estebanus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Just want to point something out...

GameInformer gave RE5 a 9.5.

[xsdob]

^ Where the hell in your logic did you think comparing this to a genocide was a good idea?