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[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

oh noez .. a new seival thread 


seival posted this a while ago in another thread .. why dig it out again? ...


the geth in mass effect 1 are controled by saren and therefore sovereign, wich is a reaper. the conflict in mass effect 1 is about organics fighting a reaper and its minions.

it has nothing to do with the sideplot, that concerns the geth and the quarian. there is a sidemission in mass effect 1 (geth incursion), where you fight geth, who act outside of sovereigns influence. here you find the pieces tali needs to end her pilgimage. i just played that part half an hour ago.

get your facts straight, look at mass effect as a whole and stop picking out the pieces, that cater only to your theories, while leaving the rest out. its a bad research technique.


this thread should be closed - not because i dont like the endings, but because this thread will derail in apr. 2 pages.

Geth are capable of self-determination. Heretics were not controlled directly. Joining Nazara and Saren was their choice. The Geth who disagree to join were not forced to join.

War between Geth and organics was inevitable, and Nazara just sped up the process, keeping it under control to avoid unneeded level of devastation.

Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

Modifié par Steelcan, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:27 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Geth are capable of self-determination. Heretics were not controlled directly. Joining Nazara and Saren was their choice. The Geth who disagree to join were not forced to join.

War between Geth and organics was inevitable, and Nazara just sped up the process, keeping it under control to avoid unneeded level of devastation.

The Heretics were a very small portion of the Geth. If Sovereign wanted to 'control the situation' it would have taken control of all the Geth, but didn't, because this plot-line didn't exist in ME1. 

[Seival]

Cerbrus operative wrote...

john_sheparrd wrote...


I agree I don't even understand why these whiners come on this forum
I agree that the ending was strange pre EC but with the EC it's really good!

coming from the person who created "Extended Cut is Garbage" thread.

http://social.biowar.../index/12760443

Sometimes people change their mind about something, you know?

I was a hater once, but friends helped me to change my mind. Voice of reason is stronger than blind hate.

The ending is fine. Everyone who is reasonable enough can see that.

[BD Manchild]

A whole ton of nonsense, no attempts to back up assertions, snide insults at people who disagree with them...

Yup, this is a Seival thread, alright. Abandon hope, all ye who enter.

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...
Sometimes people change their mind about something, you know?

I was a hater once, but friends helped me to change my mind. Voice of reason is stronger than blind hate.

The ending is fine. Everyone who is reasonable enough can see that.

Apparently that voice said "Ignore the details, just like, let it flow through you..."

So, crazy logic.

[Tomwew]

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

and why can't you bring this point up?

shepard:"hey uh catalyst?"
c: "yes"
s:"why do you keep controlling synthetics and force them to commit genocide, not ascension or reaperization mind you but honest to goodness genocide, on their creators? aren't you kind of propagating what you say is the problem?"
*stares blankly* c:"we ascend life to help make way for....
s:"yeah no you genocided the zha using the zha'til"
*shuffles uncomfortably*c: "yeah welllllll....
s:"and weren't you going to genocide the quarians? who i might add are fighting alongside their creations? i don't believe your story"
c:"your belief is not required"
*stares angrily for 3 seconds*s:"hackett?"
H:"have you found a way to activate the crucible commander?"
s:"yeah, fire everything you've got at my exact co-ordinates"

woah went on a tangent there.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

oh noez .. a new seival thread 


seival posted this a while ago in another thread .. why dig it out again? ...


the geth in mass effect 1 are controled by saren and therefore sovereign, wich is a reaper. the conflict in mass effect 1 is about organics fighting a reaper and its minions.

it has nothing to do with the sideplot, that concerns the geth and the quarian. there is a sidemission in mass effect 1 (geth incursion), where you fight geth, who act outside of sovereigns influence. here you find the pieces tali needs to end her pilgimage. i just played that part half an hour ago.

get your facts straight, look at mass effect as a whole and stop picking out the pieces, that cater only to your theories, while leaving the rest out. its a bad research technique.


this thread should be closed - not because i dont like the endings, but because this thread will derail in apr. 2 pages.

Geth are capable of self-determination. Heretics were not controlled directly. Joining Nazara and Saren was their choice. The Geth who disagree to join were not forced to join.

War between Geth and organics was inevitable, and Nazara just sped up the process, keeping it under control to avoid unneeded level of devastation.

Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

An army of machines who don't need to eat, sleep, and spend tens of years to reproduce themselves will win the war eventually. It's just a matter of time. But more importantly, the conflict itself will turn some habitable worlds into lifeless stones. No matter who will win this time - organics or synthetics, there always will be one looser in organics-vs-synthetics conflict - the Life itself.


So, the Catalyst's logic is quite flawless:

Modifié par Seival, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

OP what drugs are you on? Can I have some?

[Steelcan]

Tomwew wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

and why can't you bring this point up?

shepard:"hey uh catalyst?"
c: "yes"
s:"why do you keep controlling synthetics and force them to commit genocide, not ascension or reaperization mind you but honest to goodness genocide, on their creators? aren't you kind of propagating what you say is the problem?"
*stares blankly* c:"we ascend life to help make way for....
s:"yeah no you genocided the zha using the zha'til"
*shuffles uncomfortably*c: "yeah welllllll....
s:"and weren't you going to genocide the quarians? who i might add are fighting alongside their creations? i don't believe your story"
c:"your belief is not required"
*stares angrily for 3 seconds*s:"hackett?"
H:"have you found a way to activate the crucible commander?"
s:"yeah, fire everything you've got at my exact co-ordinates"

woah went on a tangent there.

Not to mention Javik's "Metacon War"

[Islandrockzor]

1/4 of the ending is fine.

Refuse is pretty much everything I ever wanted in an ending where you lose. There's nothing in that ending I would change if I could. The others are harder to enjoy as much.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

An army of machines who don't need to eat, sleep, and spend tens of years to reproduce themselves will win the war eventually. It's just a matter of time. But more importantly, the conflict itself will turn some habitable worlds into lifeless stones. No matter who will win this time - organics or synthetics, there always be one looser - the Life itself.

So, the Catalyst's logic is quite flawless:

Hmmmm Javik's "Metacon War"  "We were turning the tide, and then the reapers arrived"

Zha wiped out by the Zha'til, also under Reaper influence

Had the geth not allied with the Reapers the quarains would have killed them all, easily.

Modifié par Steelcan, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:41 .

[Applepie_Svk]

BD Manchild wrote...

A whole ton of nonsense, no attempts to back up assertions, snide insults at people who disagree with them...

Yup, this is a Seival thread, alright. Abandon hope, all ye who enter.

cya 

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

An army of machines who don't need to eat, sleep, and spend tens of years to reproduce themselves will win the war eventually. It's just a matter of time. But more importantly, the conflict itself will turn some habitable worlds into lifeless stones. No matter who will win this time - organics or synthetics, there always be one looser - the Life itself.

So, the Catalyst's logic is quite flawless:

Hmmmm Javik's "Metacon War"  We were turning the tide, adn then the reapers arrived"

Zha wiped out by the Zha'til, also under Reaper influence

Had the geth not allied with the Reapers the quarains would have killed them all, easily.

Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.

[Tomwew]

Steelcan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

and why can't you bring this point up?

shepard:"hey uh catalyst?"
c: "yes"
s:"why do you keep controlling synthetics and force them to commit genocide, not ascension or reaperization mind you but honest to goodness genocide, on their creators? aren't you kind of propagating what you say is the problem?"
*stares blankly* c:"we ascend life to help make way for....
s:"yeah no you genocided the zha using the zha'til"
*shuffles uncomfortably*c: "yeah welllllll....
s:"and weren't you going to genocide the quarians? who i might add are fighting alongside their creations? i don't believe your story"
c:"your belief is not required"
*stares angrily for 3 seconds*s:"hackett?"
H:"have you found a way to activate the crucible commander?"
s:"yeah, fire everything you've got at my exact co-ordinates"

woah went on a tangent there.

Not to mention Javik's "Metacon War"

"we were turning the tide of the metacon war until the reapers who were created by an intellegance whose purpose was to bring peace between synthetics and organics enslaved and improved them to
help kill us protheans, and transform the survivors into organic synthetic hybrid soldiers with no freedom or souls"

indefensible but i love to see the attempts.

[The Night Mammoth]

I'd like to hear Seival's definition of 'reasonable'. Seems to have changed lately, because at least he accepted 'constructive criticism', no matter how twisted the definition of 'constructive' was.

Me thinks he's been playing the last segment of the game too much. You know, the longer you stare into the abyss, et cetera, et cetera.

Probably subscribes to the same dictionary and school of logic as Blueprotoss ie. make up new definitions of words and phrases you get caught out on using wrongly or to make a point, everyone else is wrong but you don't have to offer a reason why.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

An army of machines who don't need to eat, sleep, and spend tens of years to reproduce themselves will win the war eventually. It's just a matter of time. But more importantly, the conflict itself will turn some habitable worlds into lifeless stones. No matter who will win this time - organics or synthetics, there always be one looser - the Life itself.

So, the Catalyst's logic is quite flawless:

Hmmmm Javik's "Metacon War"  We were turning the tide, adn then the reapers arrived"

Zha wiped out by the Zha'til, also under Reaper influence

Had the geth not allied with the Reapers the quarains would have killed them all, easily.

Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.

Proof?  I've seen most of the planetary entries, none of them seem to describe this, some describe possible reaper attacks, others nuclear disasters.  Where does it say that these conflicts will destroy worlds? Rannoch is still habitable, hell so is Tuchunka, no synthetics there.

[Tomwew]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

An army of machines who don't need to eat, sleep, and spend tens of years to reproduce themselves will win the war eventually. It's just a matter of time. But more importantly, the conflict itself will turn some habitable worlds into lifeless stones. No matter who will win this time - organics or synthetics, there always be one looser - the Life itself.

So, the Catalyst's logic is quite flawless:

Hmmmm Javik's "Metacon War"  We were turning the tide, adn then the reapers arrived"

Zha wiped out by the Zha'til, also under Reaper influence

Had the geth not allied with the Reapers the quarains would have killed them all, easily.

Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.

says who? papa reaper? some half-baked theory known as technological singularity that doesn't take into account the possibility of a.i with logic and emotional reasoning comparable to ours? do you believe edi will eventually wipe out all civilisation in the galaxy?

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

An army of machines who don't need to eat, sleep, and spend tens of years to reproduce themselves will win the war eventually. It's just a matter of time. But more importantly, the conflict itself will turn some habitable worlds into lifeless stones. No matter who will win this time - organics or synthetics, there always be one looser - the Life itself.

So, the Catalyst's logic is quite flawless:

Hmmmm Javik's "Metacon War"  We were turning the tide, adn then the reapers arrived"

Zha wiped out by the Zha'til, also under Reaper influence

Had the geth not allied with the Reapers the quarains would have killed them all, easily.

Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.

Catalyst saying total crap - DOL WIT DAT 

Even if Catalyst´s plan worked, he has a countless of galaxies in infinite space to synthesize or gaining control over because you know as said classic:  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

So by solving a problem of one galaxy, he solved nothing - that´s why is Catalyst bs as much whole concept.

By your logic, out there is plenty of galaxies already dead coz Catalyst said so...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[Steelcan]

If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?

He, eh, had the opportunity in the last cycle, with the Protheans. 

They were turning the tide against the machines in the Metacon War. Let them win or maybe help the Protheans along, then they'd get what they want. 

Actually, the inevitability of Synthesis makes the cycle completely pointless, which means everything about the Catalyst and Reapers is utterly moronic and irrelevant.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.

An army of machines who don't need to eat, sleep, and spend tens of years to reproduce themselves will win the war eventually. It's just a matter of time. But more importantly, the conflict itself will turn some habitable worlds into lifeless stones. No matter who will win this time - organics or synthetics, there always be one looser - the Life itself.

So, the Catalyst's logic is quite flawless:

Hmmmm Javik's "Metacon War"  We were turning the tide, adn then the reapers arrived"

Zha wiped out by the Zha'til, also under Reaper influence

Had the geth not allied with the Reapers the quarains would have killed them all, easily.

Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.

Proof?  I've seen most of the planetary entries, none of them seem to describe this, some describe possible reaper attacks, others nuclear disasters.  Where does it say that these conflicts will destroy worlds? Rannoch is still habitable, hell so is Tuchunka, no synthetics there.

According to dialogue with the Leviathan they observed the deadly trend. And that was the reason for creating the Catalyst.

I suppose organics-vs-synthetics conflicts are not too deadly only because of Cycled Harvests. The Catalyst is saving the Life by destroying some lives and making sure new lives will flourish in the near future.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...
Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.

Wouldn't that mean that history stops repeating itself at that point?

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:55 .

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?

Because Synthesis has to be applied first of course

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?

Because Synthesis has to be applied first of course

It's stopping it from happening by killing everyone.

That makes it a moron. 

No sorry, that makes BioWare's writing team a bunch of morons. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 11 décembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Proof?  I've seen most of the planetary entries, none of them seem to describe this, some describe possible reaper attacks, others nuclear disasters.  Where does it say that these conflicts will destroy worlds? Rannoch is still habitable, hell so is Tuchunka, no synthetics there.

According to dialogue with the Leviathan they observed the deadly trend. And that was the reason for creating the Catalyst.

I suppose organics-vs-synthetics conflicts are not too deadly only because of Cycled Harvests. The Catalyst is saving the Life by destroying some lives and making sure new lives will flourish in the near future.

I thought they created it so that their slaves would stop getting themselves killed?  And this could just be a side affect of their extensive indoctrination, chronic dumbassery.

I'd say the conflicts aren't too damangng because organics evantualy put it down, look at the quarians and geth, without the reapers' intervention their second war would have lasted less than a month