Greylycantrope wrote...
Wouldn't that mean that history stops repeating itself at that point?Seival wrote...
Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.
No it doesn't, it's inevitable, it doesn't have to do anything if it's inevitable it'll happen anyway regardless of what glowboy does if his conclusion is correct.Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?
Because Synthesis has to be applied first of course
you fool synthetics destroying ALL organic life is inevetible, and so is synthesis between synthetics and organics so....eh wait that doesn't make.....where did i leave my bong? huh? yeah i'm finished writing the end of mass effect print it voice it and ship it. how do you lose a two foot bong i know i left it around here.....Greylycantrope wrote...
Wouldn't that mean that history stops repeating itself at that point?Seival wrote...
Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.
Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?
Because Synthesis has to be applied first of course
What's funny is that is shows that history doesn't always repeat itself, if it did organics would always return. You can't have it both ways Seival.Seival wrote...
Yes, because the ones who repeat it are all dead forever. Organic life was destroyed completely... And that is not funny at all.
Modifié par Greylycantrope, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:01 .
Everything is inevitable! contradictions and space magic for all!Tomwew wrote...
you fool synthetics destroying ALL organic life is inevetible, and so is synthesis between synthetics and organics so....eh wait that doesn't make.....where did i leave my bong? huh? yeah i'm finished writing the end of mass effect print it voice it and ship it. how do you lose a two foot bong i know i left it around here.....Greylycantrope wrote...
Wouldn't that mean that history stops repeating itself at that point?Seival wrote...
Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.
Modifié par Greylycantrope, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:02 .
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.Greylycantrope wrote...
What's funny is that is shows that history doesn't always repeat itself, if it did organics would always return. You can't have it both ways Seival.Seival wrote...
Yes, because the ones who repeat it are all dead forever. Organic life was destroyed completely... And that is not funny at all.
Modifié par Steelcan, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:03 .
Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.Greylycantrope wrote...
What's funny is that is shows that history doesn't always repeat itself, if it did organics would always return. You can't have it both ways Seival.Seival wrote...
Yes, because the ones who repeat it are all dead forever. Organic life was destroyed completely... And that is not funny at all.
"The morphine's making me philosophical"legion999 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.Greylycantrope wrote...
What's funny is that is shows that history doesn't always repeat itself, if it did organics would always return. You can't have it both ways Seival.Seival wrote...
Yes, because the ones who repeat it are all dead forever. Organic life was destroyed completely... And that is not funny at all.
Life will find a way.
Nitpick here, but: The universe as we know it had a beginning and will have an end. There are several extremely fascinating theories about how exactly, most commonly, I believe, that the stars all wil run out out "fuel", turning into black holes etc. It's far too complicated for my brains, but it's definately worth looking into.Applepie_Svk wrote...
Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Hmmmm Javik's "Metacon War" We were turning the tide, adn then the reapers arrived"Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Without the reapers, organics would win the synthetic/organic conflict.
An army of machines who don't need to eat, sleep, and spend tens of years to reproduce themselves will win the war eventually. It's just a matter of time. But more importantly, the conflict itself will turn some habitable worlds into lifeless stones. No matter who will win this time - organics or synthetics, there always be one looser - the Life itself.
So, the Catalyst's logic is quite flawless:
Zha wiped out by the Zha'til, also under Reaper influence
Had the geth not allied with the Reapers the quarains would have killed them all, easily.
Maybe they will this time. But the history will always repeat itself. More and more worlds will be destroyed by the same conflicts. And eventually only synthetics will remain in the dead galaxy.
Catalyst saying total crap - DOL WIT DAT
Even if Catalyst´s plan worked, he has a countless of galaxies in infinite space to synthesize or gaining control over because you know as said classic: Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
So by solving a problem of one galaxy, he solved nothing - that´s why is Catalyst bs as much whole concept.
By your logic, out there is plenty of galaxies already dead coz Catalyst said so...
Steelcan wrote...
Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?
Because Synthesis has to be applied first of course
He never said it had to be applied first, he merely says that it is inevitable
If its inevitable than it will happen no matter what Shepard chooses, so why not just call it off, let everyone live?
Modifié par Seival, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:30 .
With the reapers no longer killing everyone maybe they could encourage synthesis, show people why it is preferable to being wiped out.Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?
Because Synthesis has to be applied first of course
He never said it had to be applied first, he merely says that it is inevitable
If its inevitable than it will happen no matter what Shepard chooses, so why not just call it off, let everyone live?
Because if Synthesis will not be applied in time, organics and synthetics will destroy eachother and the entire galaxy. Lesser races are too primitive to have high enough probability to achieve the Synthesis only by themselves.
Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.
but not even the Covenant were capable of doing that, so I doubt anybody in the MEverse could
Steelcan wrote...
I thought they created it so that their slaves would stop getting themselves killed? And this could just be a side affect of their extensive indoctrination, chronic dumbassery.I'd say the conflicts aren't too damangng because organics evantualy put it down, look at the quarians and geth, without the reapers' intervention their second war would have lasted less than a monthSeival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Proof? I've seen most of the planetary entries, none of them seem to describe this, some describe possible reaper attacks, others nuclear disasters. Where does it say that these conflicts will destroy worlds? Rannoch is still habitable, hell so is Tuchunka, no synthetics there.
According to dialogue with the Leviathan they observed the deadly trend. And that was the reason for creating the Catalyst.
I suppose organics-vs-synthetics conflicts are not too deadly only because of Cycled Harvests. The Catalyst is saving the Life by destroying some lives and making sure new lives will flourish in the near future.
Modifié par Tomwew, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:08 .
Seival wrote...
Because if Synthesis will not be applied in time, organics and synthetics will destroy eachother and the entire galaxy. Lesser races are too primitive to have high enough probability to achieve the Synthesis only by themselves in time.
Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Seival wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?
Because Synthesis has to be applied first of course
He never said it had to be applied first, he merely says that it is inevitable
If its inevitable than it will happen no matter what Shepard chooses, so why not just call it off, let everyone live?
Because if Synthesis will not be applied in time, organics and synthetics will destroy eachother and the entire galaxy. Lesser races are too primitive to have high enough probability to achieve the Synthesis only by themselves in time.
life isn't Superman. Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.
but not even the Covenant were capable of doing that, so I doubt anybody in the MEverse could
Life adapts. Given a long enough period of time.
The geth even left the birds alone on Rannoch after the Quarians ran, I'm seriously doubting the end of all organic life in the galaxy.Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.
but not even the Covenant were capable of doing that, so I doubt anybody in the MEverse could
Earth has been through several hundred mass extinction events, something always sprouts in the place of that which came before given enough time.Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman. Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.
Modifié par Greylycantrope, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:10 .
I think he was getting at the fact that after earth's mass extinctions this far, new forms of life have risen from the ashes.Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman. Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.
but not even the Covenant were capable of doing that, so I doubt anybody in the MEverse could
Life adapts. Given a long enough period of time.
I completely agree. But it is possible to render a planet lifeless, just maybe not in MEGreylycantrope wrote...
The geth even left the birds alone on Rannoch after the Quarians ran, I'm seriously doubting the end of all organic life in the galaxy.Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.
but not even the Covenant were capable of doing that, so I doubt anybody in the MEverse could
You a Halo fan? In the Haloverse worlds are rendered uninhabitable in matter of months, that is not time for adaptive radiation to work.Islandrockzor wrote...
I think he was getting at the fact that after earth's mass extinctions this far, new forms of life have risen from the ashes.Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman. Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.
but not even the Covenant were capable of doing that, so I doubt anybody in the MEverse could
Life adapts. Given a long enough period of time.
it was very ham fistedly shoved down your throat that the geth weren't bad guys on rannoch, but that codex entry is nice at more subtly showing that the geth aren't some reproduce focused technological singularity based form of a.i, they took time and care to preserve and even restore the eco-system of rannoch. and that's BEFORE they were 'true' a.i on an individual basis. really undermines the catalyst's nonsense.Greylycantrope wrote...
The geth even left the birds alone on Rannoch after the Quarians ran, I'm seriously doubting the end of all organic life in the galaxy.Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.
but not even the Covenant were capable of doing that, so I doubt anybody in the MEverse could
I enjoyed Halo 2, and that is about it. Played most of the other games, but not paying very much attention to the lore.Steelcan wrote...
You a Halo fan? In the Haloverse worlds are rendered uninhabitable in matter of months, that is not time for adaptive radiation to work.Islandrockzor wrote...
I think he was getting at the fact that after earth's mass extinctions this far, new forms of life have risen from the ashes.Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman. Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Well if a planet is rendered uninhabitable there isn't going to be organic life arising.
but not even the Covenant were capable of doing that, so I doubt anybody in the MEverse could
Life adapts. Given a long enough period of time.
try 6. One at the end of the Ordivician, one at the end of the Devonian, the big one at the end of the Permian, the end of the Triassic, the famous one at the Cretaceous, and the one we are currently in.Greylycantrope wrote...
Earth has been through several hundred mass extinction events, something always sprouts in the place of that which came before given enough time.Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman. Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.
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