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[Steelcan]

Islandrockzor wrote...

I enjoyed Halo 2, and that is about it. Played most of the other games, but not paying very much attention to the lore.

Well in the lore the Covenant glass entire planets, their entire surface reduced to molten rock, atmosphere's boiled away.  They are lifeless if done right.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

If synthesis is now inevitable, according to the Catalyst himself, why doesn't he call of the cycle?

Because Synthesis has to be applied first of course

He never said it had to be applied first, he merely says that it is inevitable
If its inevitable than it will happen no matter what Shepard chooses, so why not just call it off, let everyone live?

Because if Synthesis will not be applied in time, organics and synthetics will destroy eachother and the entire galaxy. Lesser races are too primitive to have high enough probability to achieve the Synthesis only by themselves.

With the reapers no longer killing everyone maybe they could encourage synthesis, show people why it is preferable to being wiped out.

Does that conclusion means that you are starting to like my Controlled Synthesis concept?

I choose Control to perform Synthesis in the future. Perform in much more constructive manner - without destroying Citadel, without damaging Relays, and without sacrificing anyone. Shepard's harvested essence is already among the Reapers. Crucible is still in place. All Shepard-Catalyst needs is some time to improve Synthesis mechanics.

Why didn't the original Catalyst do that itself? Synthesis has to be developed completely first, and we all know the only way the Catalyst can develop it - by harvesting civilizations. Well, and we know that Synthesis also requires a very particular anomaly to be completed - someone like Shepard, who was found by the Catalyst only in current Cycle.

[The Spamming Troll]

ah, so this is seival.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:21 .

[Islandrockzor]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

ah, so this is seival.

Seival? THIS IS MADNESS! *reverseleonidasface*

Modifié par Islandrockzor, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:21 .

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Does that conclusion means that you are starting to like my Controlled Synthesis concept?

I choose Control to perform Synthesis in the future. Perform in much more constructive manner - without destroying Citadel, without damaging Relays, and without sacrificing anyone. Shepard's harvested essence is already among the Reapers. Crucible is still in place. All Shepard-Catalyst needs is some time to improve Synthesis mechanics.

Why didn't the original Catalyst do that itself? Synthesis has to be developed completely first, and we all know the only way the Catalyst can develop it - by harvesting civilizations. Well, and we know that Synthesis also requires a very particular anomaly to be completed - someone like Shepard, who was found by the Catalyst only in current Cycle.

Sorry, but I like Destroy and Renegade Control, depending on how dictatorial I'm feeling

But that would be a nice way to implement synthesis over time, and not do it without changing every sapient being, without their consent

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Why didn't the original Catalyst do that itself? Synthesis has to be developed completely first, and we all know the only way the Catalyst can develop it - by harvesting civilizations.

Conjecture.

Well, and we know that Synthesis also requires a very particular anomaly to be completed - someone like Shepard, who was found by the Catalyst only in current Cycle.

Conjecture, and also stupid. 

[Ticonderoga117]

Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman.  Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.

True. However, life can spring back. We never though life could live on the bottom of the sea floor, yet there it is. It thrives!

Life is darn persistent.

[Steelcan]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman.  Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.

True. However, life can spring back. We never though life could live on the bottom of the sea floor, yet there it is. It thrives!

Life is darn persistent.

Yeah but if you vaporize or toxify the oceans......

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

Why didn't the original Catalyst do that itself? Synthesis has to be developed completely first, and we all know the only way the Catalyst can develop it - by harvesting civilizations.

Conjecture.

Well, and we know that Synthesis also requires a very particular anomaly to be completed - someone like Shepard, who was found by the Catalyst only in current Cycle.

Conjecture, and also stupid. 

You clearly didn't play Leviathan DLC. Or just didn't listen to what Leviathan told us.

[Tomwew]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

Why didn't the original Catalyst do that itself? Synthesis has to be developed completely first, and we all know the only way the Catalyst can develop it - by harvesting civilizations.

Conjecture.

Well, and we know that Synthesis also requires a very particular anomaly to be completed - someone like Shepard, who was found by the Catalyst only in current Cycle.

Conjecture, and also stupid. 

You clearly didn't play Leviathan DLC. Or just didn't listen to what Leviathan told us.

didn't the leviathan's also say the intelligence no longer serves it's purpose, then one dialogue choice later, when pressed by shepard it sayst the intelligence still serves it's purpose? i don't.. i can't even...... hey bioware can i buy pot from you?

[Ticonderoga117]

Steelcan wrote...
Yeah but if you vaporize or toxify the oceans......

Vaporize? Most likely. Toxify? Maybe not.

Still going to rate life as pretty dang persistent to kill totally.

[paul165]

Edolix wrote...

Saw a new Sevial thread, expected nonsense.

Was not disappointed.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

Why didn't the original Catalyst do that itself? Synthesis has to be developed completely first, and we all know the only way the Catalyst can develop it - by harvesting civilizations.

Conjecture.

Well, and we know that Synthesis also requires a very particular anomaly to be completed - someone like Shepard, who was found by the Catalyst only in current Cycle.

Conjecture, and also stupid. 

You clearly didn't play Leviathan DLC. Or just didn't listen to what Leviathan told us.

How do you think I know what you're saying is conjecture? 

Because that's all it is; just your imaginings.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman.  Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.

Earth has been through several hundred mass extinction events, something always sprouts in the place of that which came before given enough time.

try 6.  One at the end of the Ordivician, one at the end of the Devonian, the big one at the end of the Permian, the end of the Triassic, the famous one at the Cretaceous, and the one we are currently in.

I mean that hundreds of species died in each event.

[Steelcan]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
life isn't Superman.  Sudden abrupt changes can destroy it quite easily, ie Mass Extinctions.

Earth has been through several hundred mass extinction events, something always sprouts in the place of that which came before given enough time.

try 6.  One at the end of the Ordivician, one at the end of the Devonian, the big one at the end of the Permian, the end of the Triassic, the famous one at the Cretaceous, and the one we are currently in.

I mean that hundreds of species died in each event.

In that case try 100,000s

[Uncle Jo]

[Zaizer]

Pantanplan wrote...

Nice, the "vocal minority" argument, once ****ing again.

[EnvyTB075]

[DoomsdayDevice]

Seival wrote...

...Someone intentionally tried to sabotage ME3 from outside? That's quite possible. Because most of "angry reviews" are look like made by hired people. Each based on flawed logic, using some game bugs, and reviewing phrases/actions out of game context.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

... and people say IT-ers are conspiracy theorists!

[GreyLycanTrope]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Seival wrote...

...Someone intentionally tried to sabotage ME3 from outside? That's quite possible. Because most of "angry reviews" are look like made by hired people. Each based on flawed logic, using some game bugs, and reviewing phrases/actions out of game context.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

... and people say IT-ers are conspiracy theorists!

Funny part is Seival hates IT.

[Ageless Face]

Oh Seival, how much I missed you...

[Reth Shepherd]

Seival wrote...

...All assumptions about "ME3 ending being out of ME Trilogy concept" are invalid. ME Trilogy started with organic-vs-synthetic problem, and it ended with resolving (or postponing) organic-vs-synthetic problem. Moreover, all three parts of the story follow very similar pattern:

 - The Reapers were introduced. 5% of ME1 playthrough.
 - Truth about Saren's motives. 80% of ME1 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Conduit. Truth about the Citadel. Truth about the Keepers. Vigil discovery. 96% of ME1 playthrough.

 - Collectors were introduced. 5% of ME2 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Geth. Legion was introduced. 80% of ME2 playthrough.
 - Truth about the Reapers being half-organic creatures. 99% of ME2 playthrough.

 - Crucible schematics discovered. 5% of ME3 playthrough.
 - Conversation with the Destroyer. Truth about the Reapers' motives. 80% of ME3 playthrough.
 - Catalyst was introduced. The Cycled Harvests concept was explained. 99% of ME3 playthrough.


The whole story (including the ending) is consistent and logical. Nothing is out of place in it. The only thing that is out of place here is some people confusion about the game. ME3 hate was just overhyped by some very vocal haters. All assumptions about bad writing are invalid. The entire "dislike wave" is purely artificial and doesn't correspond to the real state of things...

...Someone intentionally tried to sabotage ME3 from outside? That's quite possible. Because most of "angry reviews" are look like made by hired people. Each based on flawed logic, using some game bugs, and reviewing phrases/actions out of game context.

...There was no "ending fiasco". There was an attempt to attack BioWare's reputation. And that attempt has failed eventually.

Looking at it a few minutes later, my original post seems a bit rude for a 'thank you'. So let me change it to, I disagree with your conclusions, but you did very much make my evening. So thank you for that, it was a frickin' long day!

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 12 décembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Oh Seival, how much I missed you...

Hi  

Nice to see you too

[Seival]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You clearly didn't play Leviathan DLC. Or just didn't listen to what Leviathan told us.

How do you think I know what you're saying is conjecture? 

I think it's clear that you didn't play Leviathan DLC. Also, it's very doubtful that you tried to view dialogue with the Leviathan carefully enough via youtube.

EDIT:
Here, take a look:
http://www.youtube.c...dh01_Fbs#t=309s
But watch and listen carefully this time... Especially "physical data drawn from organic life" and "you are an anomaly" parts.

Modifié par Seival, 12 décembre 2012 - 11:10 .

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Does that conclusion means that you are starting to like my Controlled Synthesis concept?

I choose Control to perform Synthesis in the future. Perform in much more constructive manner - without destroying Citadel, without damaging Relays, and without sacrificing anyone. Shepard's harvested essence is already among the Reapers. Crucible is still in place. All Shepard-Catalyst needs is some time to improve Synthesis mechanics.

Why didn't the original Catalyst do that itself? Synthesis has to be developed completely first, and we all know the only way the Catalyst can develop it - by harvesting civilizations. Well, and we know that Synthesis also requires a very particular anomaly to be completed - someone like Shepard, who was found by the Catalyst only in current Cycle.

Sorry, but I like Destroy and Renegade Control, depending on how dictatorial I'm feeling

But that would be a nice way to implement synthesis over time, and not do it without changing every sapient being, without their consent

I see.

I think you might want to read this (if you didn't do that already of course): 
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...Do you like that kind of long-term consequences of the endings?