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[Greyfrogx]

Infiltrator dominance.

What can you do?

[Tybo]

First off: Not arguing the point, you're right and its ridiculous.

But I don't think you can one shot a phantom on gold with huntress HM. Against asari melee, phantoms should have 3075/1.5+1687.5=3737.5 health. Max huntress HM damage would be:
500*(1+1.2+.5+.95+.75+.3+.15)*1.5=3637.5 damage. You'll leave her with a whopping 100 health left...

[ArtGerhardt]

tyhw wrote...

First off: Not arguing the point, you're right and its ridiculous.

But I don't think you can one shot a phantom on gold with huntress HM. Against asari melee, phantoms should have 3075/1.5+1687.5=3737.5 health. Max huntress HM damage would be:
500*(1+1.2+.5+.95+.75+.3+.15)*1.5=3637.5 damage. You'll leave her with a whopping 100 health left...

Hitting her with dark channel the moment before you use HM would take care of that last bit of HP.

[X-Frame]

Annomander wrote...

X-Frame wrote...

Would you suggest they buff the Krogan Soldier's melee bonuses? And any other classes like the Vorcha as well?

I don't know.

I don't want the kroguard buffed in any way.

Which presents a problem, as the rage tree could possibly be shared for all 4 krogan: the shaman, sentinel and soldier need something, the kroguard doesn't.

Most of my preferred solutions require patching.... like having rage an activated ability instead of a passive....

And removing the penalty krogan receive for damage to armour etc....

I could have sworn the Sentinel/Soldier have the same Rage tree whereas the Shaman/Vanguard share the same tree, but they all don't have the same one. The Shaman/Vanguard have higher health, doesn't that automatically show that they're different and that BioWare can buff the Sentinel/Soldier specifically?

[cowwy]

Buff all the Krogans. 'cept the Kroguard, go ahead and nerf him, I don't care.

[mrwizeguy]

since u so good at maths tell us this pls.

krogan soldier in rage over lets say 3 cloak cycles over the asari

krogan total damage using his light melee with evo4 75% bonus melee how many troops he can kill safaly in rage

and then tell us how many the asari can do having to wait for cooldow and if i recall well she looses barriers when she melees right ? which wont regen under cloak..

INIT?

[MetalDeggial]

Why would that even matter? You can do a HM with a Krogan, then dash and press the melee button to get a second one instantly. The krogan can deal much more damage to single targets since they can do it over and over again. You have to wait for the Asari to finish their orgasm, and even then, you will be most likely dead due to the humongous recovery they have.

The only advantage the asari have, is that their HMs are AoE. But with the krogan, you can practically go on a rampage with very little consequence since they get damage reduction on top of their big defenses, and have faster recovery. I dislike doing melee with the asari cuz it's basically suicide.

But sure, buff the krogan melee. I love buffs.

[quack123]

Asari doesn't have rage laugh though, therefore by science asar melee< Krogan melee.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Eriseley wrote...

Eh, no mobility though. I like the Krogan melee much better to setting up in range of the People's Elbow.

This. Besides, they can both kill the one enemy that matters (Phantom) in one hit. I'm ok with that.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

cowwy wrote...

Buff all the Krogans. 'cept the Kroguard, go ahead and nerf him, I don't care.

ლ(ಠoಠლ)

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:11 .

[cgtrfghj7]

Did you include warp debuff in the numbers?

[megawug]

This is a joke, right?

[BridgeBurner]

tyhw wrote...

First off: Not arguing the point, you're right and its ridiculous.

But I don't think you can one shot a phantom on gold with huntress HM. Against asari melee, phantoms should have 3075/1.5+1687.5=3737.5 health. Max huntress HM damage would be:
500*(1+1.2+.5+.95+.75+.3+.15)*1.5=3637.5 damage. You'll leave her with a whopping 100 health left...

I worked it out the other way around, instead of dividing by the multiplier I added it to the total, deducted the barrier damage then worked out the health damage.

I might have been wrong though? Maths is not a strong point of mine.

Modifié par Annomander, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:21 .

[Kushiel42]

tyhw wrote...

First off: Not arguing the point, you're right and its ridiculous.

But I don't think you can one shot a phantom on gold with huntress HM. Against asari melee, phantoms should have 3075/1.5+1687.5=3737.5 health. Max huntress HM damage would be:
500*(1+1.2+.5+.95+.75+.3+.15)*1.5=3637.5 damage. You'll leave her with a whopping 100 health left...

That was my experience playing a fully melee-based Huntress build today - Phantoms have one bar of health left after a heavy melee, which made gameplay, uh, interesting.

[CNevarezN]

[Omega2079]

lol @ thinking this kind of game can be balanced.

[Kushiel42]

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Did you include warp debuff in the numbers?

Does it affect melee damage? Expose description only lists power and weapon damage, specifically, which is different than (IIRC) every other debuff evo on every other power.

[Descy_]

cowwy wrote...

Buff all the Krogans. 'cept the Kroguard, go ahead and nerf him, I don't care.

Why? The Kroguard cant even take down a gold atlas' armor in one heavy melee cast without the use of gears or hunter mode.

I say he needs a buff.

[BridgeBurner]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Still complaining about Tactical Cloak I see.

Its not a complaint, I love the huntress melee build.

Its an observation of how ridiculous this game is, when I'm forced to grenade spam as a krogan to feel like I'm powerful enough (Which I refuse to do).

If the idea that a 1000kg krogan smashing into you causes less damage than a little pulse of biotic energy,  is ok with you then I guess, carry on, about your business.

Some of us would like to see our krogan excel at something that isn't spamming grenades.

Modifié par Annomander, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[Feneckus]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

BioWare is turning this game into a ****ing joke.  Every week it gets that much worse.

[WildHog70]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

ha

Lovaas wrote...

The asari recovery time is an enemy to that strategy. While you finish her pillow talk animations you would get picked off by a sion/ravager/phantom/rocket pooper every time. Yes the numbers are in the Asari's favor but you have to consider:

1. No self respecting krogan forgives all health and damage reduction just to gain more melee damage on a race that already has superior melee capabilities.

2. Orgasm animation is a death trap when her melee is used unwisely.

This is the battle of what happens on paper versus what happens on the battlefield argument we see constantly on bsn. 
inb4 all infiltrators are op. 

I love that you're making an excuse for the fact that a damn Asari can now be speced to have a more power melee than a Krogan.  Before arguing, just take a minute to think about how ridiculous this is.

BioWare is turning this game into a ****ing joke.  Every week it gets that much worse.

The asari's melee is biotic, there is no reason why it shouldn't be the most powerful melee in the game.

[BurningLiquor]

Descy_ wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Buff all the Krogans. 'cept the Kroguard, go ahead and nerf him, I don't care.

Why? The Kroguard cant even take down a gold atlas' armor in one heavy melee cast without the use of gears or hunter mode.

I say he needs a buff.

Master troll.

[BridgeBurner]

WildHog70 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

ha

Lovaas wrote...

The asari recovery time is an enemy to that strategy. While you finish her pillow talk animations you would get picked off by a sion/ravager/phantom/rocket pooper every time. Yes the numbers are in the Asari's favor but you have to consider:

1. No self respecting krogan forgives all health and damage reduction just to gain more melee damage on a race that already has superior melee capabilities.

2. Orgasm animation is a death trap when her melee is used unwisely.

This is the battle of what happens on paper versus what happens on the battlefield argument we see constantly on bsn. 
inb4 all infiltrators are op. 

I love that you're making an excuse for the fact that a damn Asari can now be speced to have a more power melee than a Krogan.  Before arguing, just take a minute to think about how ridiculous this is.

BioWare is turning this game into a ****ing joke.  Every week it gets that much worse.

The asari's melee is biotic, there is no reason why it shouldn't be the most powerful melee in the game.

So a little pulse of biotic energy = more damage than a 1000kg krogan, and indeed, more damage than a biotic explosion too I think?

[BurningLiquor]

Annomander wrote...

WildHog70 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

ha

Lovaas wrote...

The asari recovery time is an enemy to that strategy. While you finish her pillow talk animations you would get picked off by a sion/ravager/phantom/rocket pooper every time. Yes the numbers are in the Asari's favor but you have to consider:

1. No self respecting krogan forgives all health and damage reduction just to gain more melee damage on a race that already has superior melee capabilities.

2. Orgasm animation is a death trap when her melee is used unwisely.

This is the battle of what happens on paper versus what happens on the battlefield argument we see constantly on bsn. 
inb4 all infiltrators are op. 

I love that you're making an excuse for the fact that a damn Asari can now be speced to have a more power melee than a Krogan.  Before arguing, just take a minute to think about how ridiculous this is.

BioWare is turning this game into a ****ing joke.  Every week it gets that much worse.

The asari's melee is biotic, there is no reason why it shouldn't be the most powerful melee in the game.

So a little pulse of biotic energy = more damage than a 1000kg krogan, and indeed, more damage than a biotic explosion too I think?

Tragically enough, this is true. The Huntress' heavy melee does more damage than a BE. More precisely, it does more damage than a BE with detonation evos.